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post #1 of 25
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OK... don't laugh... but I'm in one of my deep and meaningful moods today - and it's just been exacerbated by having the Jehovas Witnesses in. Ok... so they knocked on my door and I could have told them I wasn't interested, but truth be told, I couldn't leave two little old ladies standing on the doorstep in this weather. I mean, one of them looked as though she would keel over at any second. So I invited them in and gave them a cup of tea so that they could have a rest and warm up a bit. Yes, they insisted on talking about God... but I could kinda switch off and nod in the right places. I'm not going to say that everything they were saying was complete rubbish, because I like to try and keep as open a mind as possible an the subject. It's the Bible itself that seems to be the sticking point - for one eg.

On the first day God created the heavens and the Earth. It's all well and good right?

On the second day, He said "let there be light" and there was light. OK... that's clever. Not "hrmn... twilight, can I have it that colour only a little brighter please...". But the REALLY clever bit is... hang on... you're telling me he made Heaven and Earth in the dark?

I have to thank Ricky Gervais for bringing that one to light... it's a good point.

ok, ok so to the point... I was curious as to what people here believed. I'm not sure on the deity thing... perhaps there is one, so I won't argue one way or the other. But I DO have a very firm belief in angels. That is only because of the experiences I've had in my life so far. So what does everyone here believe in?
post #2 of 25
My faith isn't as strong as some people have. I don't know, it's just that I don't want people to force me into believing something they believe in... know what I mean? But I believe in God, Jesus, Mary, etc., but not really strong. I don't even go to mass for a long time now. Well it's not something I'm proud of, actually.
post #3 of 25
2 Weeks after my mum died and obviously feeling low!, a woman knocked at my door who was a jehovahs witness.

From being a child i started at sunday school then as i got older onto church, so i took this woman being at my door as "a sign!" from God to reassure me?!.

I brought her in and explained how i had just lost my mum, and she was sympathetic but steered straight away from it and like you said started talking about the bible.

All i wanted to know from her was that my mum was now in heaven with my dad, but all i got from her was " There is no place in heaven for anyone!, it's only the chosen ones who can go there!, you mum is like everyone else who dies which is a piece of dirt on the road!".

I swear to God if ever i wanted to punch anyone it was this woman!

At that point i told her to leave and my parting words to her were that i hoped God would forgive her for saying such a cruel thing!,

We have a 17 year old jehovas witness in the office who doesn't celebrate birthdays or christmas but!, has whats called a present day on a different date?!, can't go into pubs to drink, although she's allowed to drink in the house?! , and can't have a blood transfusion, but she has heart problems and had surgery when she was a baby but her mother, also a jehovahs witness let them go ahead with a transfusion!!

I don't believe in their beliefs just as she doesn't believe in mine, but when i interviewed her for the job i made it clear that she didn't try to convert people in the work place like they do on the outside!.
post #4 of 25
Cats see in the dark, why is it hard to believe God can also? Time is not the same for man as it is for God so 1 day could very well mean 1000 years, a million years, a billion years. There are more things in heaven and earth..

Just because we do not understand does not mean there is no God. If you ask me, because we do not understand shows there is a God. Look at a newborn baby, I mean REALLY look at them and all they are and all they can be and then tell me its all just random chance that brought us into being and we have no purpose other then to live and die. Sorry, I just can not buy that and I know in my heart and my head there is a God, he created us and he loves us as we love our children.
post #5 of 25
well, my dad is catholic and my mother is protestant.
My dad made my mum take the communion with out her being you know... communionised
I definetely do not agree with the Jahovas witness rules.
This girl i know who attends my correspondence school is a jahovas. She hates it. She isnt allowed to communicate to anybody. Her parents read through her emails and banned her from everything. Her sister ran away because she could put up with it.
They have 6 children and the parents dont even allow them to go to school. They have no social system except with other jahovas witness.
ANyway. My dad does not let any jahovas witness person enter our door step.
I'm not really sure what i would do if one of them ever came to my door step.
I would just be polite and say im not interested, but i do know they are very persistent.

anyway i was brought up to believe in god and mary and jesus. But i dont go to church anymore. And when i ask them to help me they dont.
So what am i meant to believe in??
I can only believe that little voice that told me those words many years ago.
I wish she would return to give me advice.

well thats all i can say for now.
post #6 of 25
I hate anyone who tries to push their beliefs on other people, whatever they are. I have friends of all faiths and none, and I respect their deeply held opinions. But there are too many hypocrites around who profess one thing and behave completely differently, and I don't like that either. Funnily enough, yesterday I was reading a book by Douglas Adams (of Hitchhiker Guide ot the Galaxy fame) where he says that although we all feel free to argue political opinions, no-one feels comfortable arguing religious matters with people of different faiths. For myself I was brought up Catholic but now I am agnostic veering on atheist. I just can't swallow all the idea of a personal God and some of the more 'way-out dogmas that many churches would have us believe. I do admire many great men and 'prophets' though, like Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and Gandhi, who did give us some excellent precepts and principles to live our lives by.
post #7 of 25
I'm an atheist, with some agnostic-y leanings - I'm not entirely closed to the idea (though very skeptical) that there could be some kind of 'higher power' or whatever you want to call it, but I don't believe it is the archetypal god figure, because IMO such a figure is clearly a human construction, and if there was a 'higher power', it would not be possible to know those things about it.

I was raised Catholic, but those beliefs always offended me (I'm very left-wing), even before I stopped believing in God - I became an atheist when I was around 14, I believe.

There's a Christian Science 'reading room' near where I live, and EVERY weekend those people are out on the street (which is a very busy one, lots of shops and things) bothering people and trying to make them take their literature (even when I say 'no', they try to cram it into my hands) - it's a real nuisance. I've thought about printing off some atheism/agnosticism pamphlets and telling them 'I'll take yours, but only if you take mine', but I don't want to sink to their level of disrespecting other peoples' beliefs, so I just do my best to avoid them. If I had to make a list of things I absolutely can't stand, proselytising (of ANY kind, that goes for non-Christians, including atheists, as well) would be right near the top.
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by Cirque
Cats see in the dark, why is it hard to believe God can also? Time is not the same for man as it is for God so 1 day could very well mean 1000 years, a million years, a billion years. There are more things in heaven and earth..

Just because we do not understand does not mean there is no God. If you ask me, because we do not understand shows there is a God. Look at a newborn baby, I mean REALLY look at them and all they are and all they can be and then tell me its all just random chance that brought us into being and we have no purpose other then to live and die. Sorry, I just can not buy that and I know in my heart and my head there is a God, he created us and he loves us as we love our children.

Bravo Cirque, you said what I was trying to formulate into words!! Anyways,,yes I do believe in both GOd and the bible, but I do maintain that the bible was written by man, and although it is supposed to be God's word, man has free will, and a penchant for distorting things, so I tend to take things with a grain of salt, although I have no doubt in my mind that there is a God, a heaven, and a hell. I also appreciate and deeply respect other's differing beliefs.
post #9 of 25
i believe that god is a whole lot more relaxed about things than some people believe.

i'm sure there would be a place in heaven for a good person no matter if they worked on the sabbath, drank alcohol or refused to cover their hair.

my idea of god comes from the book 'the color purple' when suge avery says that god must get upset that people spend so much time nit picking about relgion and not enough time to stop and admire all the beauty she/he has created. she says that god wants us to be happy thats why she/he has given us such beauty and colour and if you stop to see how many different shade of purple she/he has invented you will see this.
post #10 of 25
post #11 of 25
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You know... this is my third attempt at making sense in this reply. But I don't think it's going to work. Suffice to say I find it amazing that people are divided by the one thing that is supposed to bring them closer to eachother and their deity. Their faith. Regardless of what each group calls themselves, they all have a common factor. They all believe. Maybe it's a childlike quality that asks... why do we have wars if we're all supposed to love? Why do we have places in the world that suffer poverty when we are asked to share?

I won't dispute that there are miracles in this life. Each child as Cirque says, is a miracle all by themselves. Each and every person on this planet is a small miracle.

Susan, I'm not in love with the idea of people coming form door to door to force their faiths on others... but the point of a Jehova's witness is "to spread the word that others might see Him" or howeve rit was said to me. I forget.

What I am trying to say is that I don't understnad any of this scriptures business. Surely, as God's word, there should be a continuity? Why are there so many contradictions? I'm not saying don't believe, I'm not saying that I don't either. I'm not questioning anyone's faith.

I hope no-on'e s taken offence at my posting a thread like this - it's certainly not my intention to offend anyway. I'm just curious. There are hundreds of questions that I could ask that could never really be answered. For all we know, we could merely be a snowglobe ornament on His mantelpiece.

The fact remains though and the one that stays prominent in my mind... whether we believe or not, whatever our colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, faith, no matter how different we all seem to be on the outside... we are all the same on the inside and we all have the same capacity to hurt, or to love, etc. No matter what we claim. When we take away all the "differences" and we see how similar we all are... why do we fight so?

I dunno... I was feeling all deep and meaningful this morning... and now I'm back to square one - feeling all confused! Status normal has returned folks! hugs all round for everyone!
post #12 of 25
I hate it when those people knock on my door. I am an atheist and respect all people's personal belief, but instead of coming to bother me, please go do something good; volunteer in a hospital, or a animal shelter, or women's shelter. I had a sign up saying no solisciting(sorry about the spelling, my brain is still in sleep mode), religious an otherwise, but it was ripped down, twice! so I pretty much open the door and tell the mormans who are always knocking I am an atheist and not interested , they always want to start a converstation but I say no thanks and close the door.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
i believe that god is a whole lot more relaxed about things than some people believe.

i'm sure there would be a place in heaven for a good person no matter if they worked on the sabbath, drank alcohol or refused to cover their hair.

my idea of god comes from the book 'the color purple' when suge avery says that god must get upset that people spend so much time nit picking about relgion and not enough time to stop and admire all the beauty she/he has created. she says that god wants us to be happy thats why she/he has given us such beauty and colour and if you stop to see how many different shade of purple she/he has invented you will see this.
Yay! I think that's kinda what I'm trying to say! Only you said it much better than I ever could. I think I might read that book then.... oh... and I'd be pretty cheesed off with all those depressing psalms as well if I were God. Something/SOmeone created us, I can agree with that. But what or whom I guess seems to be the thing that everyone wants to know, but can't. Chasing the unknown? Oh gee I'm getitng lost again....
post #14 of 25
I admire people who knock on doors because it takes courage. (I admire ANY person who knocks on doors.) Being a door to door salesman is tough! I've had Jehovah's Witnesses knock, but I told them I wasn't interested, and they said okay.
post #15 of 25
I understand that knocking on doors is part of the faith that these people are practising, as is their right, so I don't begrudge them the right to knock on my door. But that's as far as their rights go. It is within my rights to ignore a knock on the door, regardless who is knocking, and a person who just knocks louder, then, is the rightful recipient of my displeasure. If I choose to answer the door, it is also my right to assess the approach and say "No thanks", and my right to expect that that will be the end of the conversation. It's when they argue or get pushy that I have difficulty with them -- fortunately that doesn't happen often.
post #16 of 25
So Emma are you meaning we should all believe in the same thing as far as religion goes such as love one another etc... because at the end of the day were all the same?
post #17 of 25
I believe in God, and that Jesus died for our sins, but I am not big on churches. I think if you are a good person and treat others well, that there is a place for you in Heaven.
I agree with Cirque and Maverick Kitten. Who but a benevolent God could create such a beautiful world with such wonderful creatures?
When I am outside on a beautiful day, it always comes to mind that "this is a day that the Lord hath made, let us be glad and rejoice in it."
post #18 of 25
For me it is not about religion. It is not about going to church every sunday, or knocking on doors and handing out tracts about the four spiritual laws (which i did long ago, as I was in the Jesus Movement). I worked for three years at a christian coffee house called the Fire Escape. I immersed myself in the teachings of Lonnie Frisbee, Chuck Smith, Romaine, Duane Pederson, Phil Mahlow and a bunch of other wonderful, gifted leaders. I passed out bibles on the streets and on the pier, I was baptized at Corona Del Mar- I went to afterglows and retreats and I read the Bible from cover to cover several hundred times. I could quote scripture with the best of them used to give Bible Studies and go to them as well-

But now, that I am older and have had many different experiences, it is about relationship. It is about how much I talk to God, and how much I listen to him. And I do hear him, He is my conscience he is the divining rod inside of me that shows me what is right and what is wrong. He speaks in the pain of my friends conversations, and he admininsters to me in their laughter when they go through their trials successfully. He is in the middle of the hugs I get from my husband, he is in the eyes of my horses when they come running to greet me, He is in the midst of the wind and the roar of the storm. He is all around me and he takes many forms.

I have also learned over time about religious tolerance, and I have no patience for those who do not practice this. Everyone can find God in their life if they want to. But no one can make you accept God, it has to be a willingness that is inside you and comes to you by your life's path.

Years ago, I was involved in an accident. I died briefly and had an out of body experience where i met my son who has long passed. While we were talking in this brilliant light, furry beings were bumping my legs. I wanted to stay so bad, but it wasn't time....yet. I was told i had much to do before I could see him again
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by rapunzel47
I understand that knocking on doors is part of the faith that these people are practising, as is their right, so I don't begrudge them the right to knock on my door. But that's as far as their rights go. It is within my rights to ignore a knock on the door, regardless who is knocking, and a person who just knocks louder, then, is the rightful recipient of my displeasure. If I choose to answer the door, it is also my right to assess the approach and say "No thanks", and my right to expect that that will be the end of the conversation. It's when they argue or get pushy that I have difficulty with them -- fortunately that doesn't happen often.
Totally agree.
post #20 of 25
I believe in God, but not exactly the way that most structured religions teach us to believe.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by Cirque
Cats see in the dark, why is it hard to believe God can also? Time is not the same for man as it is for God so 1 day could very well mean 1000 years, a million years, a billion years. There are more things in heaven and earth..
Cats can't see in total darkness. They just have much better eyes Maybe God can see in other spectrums though.

-Brandon
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by hissy
I have also learned over time about religious tolerance, and I have no patience for those who do not practice this.
Oh yes Hissy, I agree with that. What really gets under my skin is when representatives of a religion show such bigoted intolerance of other people's beliefs, it makes you wonder what kind of repressive religion they have.

But since you asked, I think there is a higher being, call it God, Mother Earth, Allah, whatever, it's 'man's' interpretation of that higher being's wants and needs that differ, and cause all the arguments. I believe that every person on the planet should show a respect for other lives and our environment.

So there!

Sue
post #23 of 25
i really like this thread lillecat, thanks for starting it!

we had jehovahs witnesses knock the other day and my brother just woken up, first day back from university answered the door. my boyfriend and i could hear them from upstairs and sat in bed giggling when my brother poilitley tried to explain he wasnt interested. in the end he took a handful of leaflets and had promised he'd come to some sort of meeting!

my mums family got converted to mormonism by someone knocking on the door. my mum couldnt accept it because she was 12 at the time and had been christened so changing faith like that actually sort of made her an atheist. #

my brother always says he bet my grandfather had a lot of double glazing and vacums too...
post #24 of 25
At times I don't know what I believe in. I was raised a Catholic but honestly when I was young and attended church all I can remember is the priest always asking for money. Seems our church didn't have good fiscal management-hmmm even though one of the priests belonged to the local country club. It was alway though money, money money. Which is really too bad. The church my in-laws attended before they died has a wonderful priest. He kindof reminds me of a salesperson though!! Before mass he will "work the crowd" shaking hands, pats one the shoulder-stuff like that -which I don't think is a bad thing-he really connects with his congregation. Then before mass starts he will greet everyone as a whole then always asks who has good news to share this week-a grade school kid might stand up and say he got a grade grade on a test-or they had puppies. He congratulates in front of the congregation. He also asks if anyone needs to be remembered-ill people, surgeries, etc... I wish more priest could emulate him. Plus he had many a boiled dinner at my father-in law's house before he died (anyone who ate those should be sainted to begin with-as my FIL was 91 when he died last yr)-he is younger, know the internet, plays cards-he doesn't prech religon all the time.
One the other hand those Jehovah Witness folks-they want to leave those leaflets-but you have to pay for them!! I think they must have pretty good self esteem to get all those doors slammed in their faces. I usually ask if they want a beer!!
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by Cirque
Cats see in the dark, why is it hard to believe God can also? Time is not the same for man as it is for God so 1 day could very well mean 1000 years, a million years, a billion years. There are more things in heaven and earth..

Just because we do not understand does not mean there is no God. If you ask me, because we do not understand shows there is a God. Look at a newborn baby, I mean REALLY look at them and all they are and all they can be and then tell me its all just random chance that brought us into being and we have no purpose other then to live and die. Sorry, I just can not buy that and I know in my heart and my head there is a God, he created us and he loves us as we love our children.
Very well said. I believe in The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. I talk to God a lot. As far as the details...I wish I knew. It seems that the deeper I get into it, the more confused I am.
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