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post #1 of 15
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4179057.stm
I'm sorry, but to me this is a prime example of overstepping bounds, i.e., that just because something may be technologically possible, like cloning humans, doesn't mean it should be done. Even if this woman and her husband live another 20 years, the child will be orphaned at a young age, or forced to care for elderly parents when she should be enjoying her teens and getting an education. Isn't is irresponsible to have a child at this late an age?
post #2 of 15
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She told the station she was optimistic about her future as a mother, claiming her family had a history of longevity.
She thinks she'll be fine... I think you're right though - it is irresponsible. I mean, even though people these days have a longer chance of living, you can't really count on living to be 100 or whatever.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by jcat
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4179057.stm
I'm sorry, but to me this is a prime example of overstepping bounds, i.e., that just because something may be technologically possible, like cloning humans, doesn't mean it should be done. Even if this woman and her husband live another 20 years, the child will be orphaned at a young age, or forced to care for elderly parents when she should be enjoying her teens and getting an education. Isn't is irresponsible to have a child at this late an age?
In my opinion, yes. But I also think it's irresponsible to use fertility drugs to create litters of babies, and I think it's irresponsible to have a baby as a teenager, and I think it's irresponsible to have a baby you can't afford to care for, etc., etc., but all of those seem to happen a lot, and people don't seem to kick up much of a fuss about those (well, maybe about the litters), so I don't see how this is any worse, I guess - at least it's less common. But no, I don't agree with it at all - I guess I just wonder why people don't mind commenting negatively about this (not referring specifically to you or anyone else in this thread commenting negatively on it, just people in general), but they'll pat 16-year-old Ashlee who already has two babies and lives on welfare and is 'TTCing' baby number three with her boyfriend of six months (yes, there's actually a girl with this very story on another forum I post in, and yes she regularly gets patted on the back) on the back for having to grow up so fast and take care of her kids (duh, you're supposed to take care of your kids if you have them, it's not something you deserve kudos for), or at the very least take on an 'I'm not going to judge' type of attitude. Just, the double standard seems a bit odd to me (and I'm not implying that anyone in this thread subscribes to this double standard, either, because I don't know if that's the case or not, but in that other forum I post in, the teen welfare mother lauding goes on all the time, yet in a thread about this same woman, everyone talked about how irresponsible and wrong it was - that blows my mind a bit).
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by Juniper
...already has two babies and lives on welfare and is 'TTCing' baby number three with her boyfriend of six months...
What is TTCing? I'm not familiar with the abbreviation.

I agree with you, Juniper. I was thinking about the children born to younger women (under 35) who are rejected for a boyfriend. Just because a person is alive and young doesn't mean they'll care for their offspring either.
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Originally Posted by mrsd
What is TTCing? I'm not familiar with the abbreviation.

I agree with you, Juniper. I was thinking about the children born to younger women (under 35) who are rejected for a boyfriend. Just because a person is alive and young doesn't mean they'll care for their offspring either.
TTC stands for "trying to concieve).

I was 18 when I gave birth to my daughter, Sierra. Yes, it was irresponsible, but I wouldn't change a thing, I love her dearly. I am now mature and stable, I have a loving boyfriend and a place to call my own. I treat Sierra like gold and would never neglect or reject her for anything or anybody. I think that once you hit a certain age, about 40, you shouldn't have a baby. My grandma and grandpa (passed away) were over 20 years apart and they had a baby when my grandpa was in his 50's! My grandma was in her 30's when the baby was born. My grandpa passed away last year at the age of 82 and their daughter is in her early 30's.

Yes, it is irresponsible. Of course!
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by jcat
. Isn't is irresponsible to have a child at this late an age?
No. She's educated, is financially stable, and wanted to bear a child of her own. She's had lots of years to think about it. It doesn't look like a spur of the moment decision.
post #7 of 15
IMO it is far LESS irresponsible to have a child at her age than teens having babies at their age. At least this woman and her husband are capable of providing for the child and mature enough to deal with all the things that come with babies and children.

When the teens have babies, either they have to give them up for adoption or rely heavily on their parents/grandparents to help them financially and emotionally to raise the child since they're not much more than children themselves.

There are some teens that are pretty mature and handle it well, but there are fewer of those than there are of the immature ones.

Then again, who are we to judge what is right or wrong? We can only express an opinion.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
IMO it is far LESS irresponsible to have a child at her age than teens having babies at their age. At least this woman and her husband are capable of providing for the child and mature enough to deal with all the things that come with babies and children...
She isn't married.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...444235,00.html

'...Ms Iliescu, a retired university professor, will be 67 in May and is believed to be the oldest recorded woman to give birth.

Ms Iliescu, who is unmarried, underwent a Caesarean operation...'
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
IMO it is far LESS irresponsible to have a child at her age than teens having babies at their age. At least this woman and her husband are capable of providing for the child and mature enough to deal with all the things that come with babies and children.

When the teens have babies, either they have to give them up for adoption or rely heavily on their parents/grandparents to help them financially and emotionally to raise the child since they're not much more than children themselves.

There are some teens that are pretty mature and handle it well, but there are fewer of those than there are of the immature ones.

Then again, who are we to judge what is right or wrong? We can only express an opinion.
I am one of those few "teens" that is mature and stable. I love having a daughter! I am proud of myself for raising her so well, and never neglecting her. My kids will always come first, no matter what. I remember when I was in the hospital delivering Sierra, there was a 13 year old girl having a baby! She had to put the baby up for adoption because she couldn't take care of it financially. My whole family helped me out, they supported me. My mom taught me everything I needed to know about raising babies.

When Sierra turned a year old, I decided I needed to take care of her without my parents helping me. I moved in with my boyfriend and things have been great!
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by mrsd
She isn't married.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...444235,00.html

'...Ms Iliescu, a retired university professor, will be 67 in May and is believed to be the oldest recorded woman to give birth.

Ms Iliescu, who is unmarried, underwent a Caesarean operation...'
Somehow that makes it worse - who's going to take care of the little girl if/when the mother dies? Romanian orphanages still have a horrible reputation. I really hope the woman has younger relatives or friends willing to take the girl on. One of my friends was a "change of life baby". By the time we were 18, she'd lost both her parents, had spent 4 years nursing her mother through terminal cancer, and had no relatives to turn to. So she married. It has worked out, but she gets upset with other friends who've had their first kids in their 40s, which really isn't usually considered "too old" nowadays.

I wasn't even thinking about teenage pregnancies when I posted the story, but I'd have to agree that in many (certainly not all) cases they can be considered just as irresponsible, Juniper having given a prime example. As a teacher, I've seen such situations a few times - girls "presenting" each consecutive boyfriend with a baby, and expecting the state (or grandparents) to support them when the bf takes off.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover
I am one of those few "teens" that is mature and stable. I love having a daughter! I am proud of myself for raising her so well, and never neglecting her. My kids will always come first, no matter what. I remember when I was in the hospital delivering Sierra, there was a 13 year old girl having a baby! She had to put the baby up for adoption because she couldn't take care of it financially. My whole family helped me out, they supported me. My mom taught me everything I needed to know about raising babies.

When Sierra turned a year old, I decided I needed to take care of her without my parents helping me. I moved in with my boyfriend and things have been great!
Tasha, there are many girls or women like you who make a conscious decision to raise their babies and do a wonderful job (my sister being one of them). It's the "serial teenage mothers", for want of a better term, like the girl Juniper mentioned, who are irresponsible. "Accidents" happen, and the girl in question has to make a very important decision, hopefully with her family's and the father's support, and do the best she can for the child. It's problematic when it becomes a "habit" with some girls, or when the mother is extremely young, like the 13-year-old you met.
post #12 of 15
let's loook at this from my perspective..I'm an only child. My mother was 40 when she had me. And There is such a thing as being too settled in life to have kids. Trust me. My parents didn't really make room in their routine for me, and while I canme out find, and only with a little more baggage than most people (In my opinion) It was tough. My mom didn't unnderstand me, because the culture form her generation was so different than mine, and my dad SERIOUSLY didn't understand me, and still doesn't, They expected of me to be a child of the early 60's .. and well, the 80's were totally different. Sure. I'm responsible, but that's because I raised myself.. It took them almost 15 years to really realize that there was another life there, not a mini-them that liked to do everything they did. They expected me to act like an adult, but respond to them with the unquestioning agreement a 6 year old can compose. I wasn't like them, or their friends children, because I was more like their friends grandchildren. Also, Because of me, my father couldn't retire when he wanted to.. because he would have retired when I went to college. ALSO, it's strange to be 20 and have your parents be senior citizens.

Personally I feel that if you're between 25 and 35 you're at the prime age to have a family.older or younger, and bad things happen (IE, Menopause and puberty .. in the same house.. at the same time. My mom resented me because of her lost "woman hood" and I resented my mother because she was moody, irritable, and because she was so prude as to not want to discuss with me why the hell I was bleeding.) It is certainly a way to require lots of therapy. don't get me wrong, I love my parents, but my life was certainly more different than any of my friends. I had to fight for so much more than my friends did.
post #13 of 15
I was all ready to lambast this woman until I realized, I have a huge double standard. Anytime I have heard of men fathering in their later years I had no problem with it. Tony Randall, Letterman to name just a few. I guess I thought it was okay because at least the moms were "reasonable" ages, and even if dad died mom would still be there (in all likelyhood). Now I'm not too sure how I feel about the Roumanian woman and the other older moms who have made the headlines of late. It seems unfair (to me) to support one and malign the other. Guess I just want these babies to have happy childhoods (do they exist...lol?) and have quality years if they can not have quantity years.
post #14 of 15
Happy childhoods do exist. I know people who've had them. (Bummer for the therapists. )

Children take a lot of energy to keep up with. I get tired, and I'm not that old. How do women in their fifties and sixties feel like chasing a toddler or toddlers? I suppose if they're in great shape, they could. Joan Lunden said she's very active on a Today interview. I do hope these women have wills drawn up that dictate who gets the children in case of death or debilitating illness.

Consider having a child in your late twenties. Don't wait and try at forty! The odds of conceiving go down and the cost of infertility treatments go up.
post #15 of 15
I think it's impossible to judge that particular Romanian lady. As other have mentioned here, it's possible to be young and irresponsible or "bad parents".

As a rule though, I too would recommend having babies in your twenties (even though I had my first at almost 30). They do take up a lot of energy but at the same time require a lot of maturity. You can be a mature teenager, just as you can be an energetic senior, but on average and for me personally, the optimal age seems to be the 20's.
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