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Animal Rights vs Animal Welfare - Is there a Difference?

post #1 of 17
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When someone says they are all for Animal Rights, do you think that they really want to help animals, or do you shudder?

What if they say they are all for Animal Welfare, does this get a similar reaction, or do you just wonder what they are talking about?

While the them Animal Rights was originally synonymous with a caring and responsible husbandry of animals, in recent years this definition has changed. Most organizations involved in promoting responsibile husbandry of animals now represent themselves as Animal Welfare, whereas the more aggressive/radical groups, such as GreenPeace, PETA, HSUS to name but a few, continue to represent themselves as Animal Rights.

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Originally Posted by Marci's Menagerie
Generalized Summary of each category as presented Here :

Animal Rights

To end all human "exploitation" of animals - this includes, but is not limited to, raising and slaughtering of livestock for human or animal consumption, eating meat, hunting, using animals for any medical or veterinary research, zoos (regardless of how well managed), circuses, rodeos, horseshows, dog shows, animals performing in TV commercials, shows or movies (regardless of how well treated any of the above are), guide-dogs for the blind, police dogs, search & rescue dogs, and the practice of owning pets.

Animal Welfare

To prevent suffering and cruelty to animals. And to provide care and good homes for pets in need. This often includes, but is not limited to, the funding and running of animal shelters (to provide a sanctuary for abandoned, abused, homeless, or unwanted pets, and to place them in good homes where possible, provide painless euthanasia for those that cannot be adopted, and to educate the public about the need for spaying/neutering their pets to prevent more surplus animals ending up in shelters), enforcement of anti-cruelty statutes (where their authority permits),initiating, lobbying for, and monitoring enforcement of legislation to ensure more humane standards of care for livestock, laboratory animals, performing animals, and pets.

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Originally Posted by PETA


Taken from PETA's website

People who support animal rights believe that animals are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other purpose

Supporters of the animal rights movement believe that animals are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, or experimentation, while supporters of the animal welfare movement believe that animals can be used for those purposes as long as “humane†guidelines are followed.

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Originally Posted by AVMA
Taken from the American Association of Veterinary Medicine
Animal welfare is a human responsibility that encompasses all aspects of animal well being, including proper housing, management, nutrition, disease prevention and treatment, responsible care, humane handling, and, when necessary, humane euthanasia.

<>Animal rights is a philosophical view and personal value characterized by statements by various animal rights groups. Animal welfare and animal rights are not synonymous terms. The AVMA wholeheartedly endorses and adopts promotion of animal welfare as official policy; however, the AVMA cannot endorse the philosophical views and personal values of animal rights advocates when they are incompatible with the responsible use of animals for human purposes, such as companionship, food, fiber, and research conducted for the benefit of both humans and animals.


A quick google search on the phrase 'animal rights vs animal welfare' turns up a significant amount of results, from both sides of the fence. But most make the difference between AR and AW clear.

Anytime I hear someone say that they are AR, I cringe and if I feel brave enough, ask them what they mean by AR.

Do you think that there's really such a difference between AR and AW?

Spotz
post #2 of 17
I really like the way those two terms are defined. I have the same reaction to AR as you Spotz, but I probably couldn't have explained why. Those definitions make it much clearer. I think people that are AR oriented are a little overzealous in their idealism. They don't seem to consider that some uses of animals are beneficial to both animals and people. For instance, animals can really enjoy the benefits of the human-animal bond in cases of horse and dog shows. Zoos (OK SOME zoos) provide a great service by educating people and running captive breeding programs for endangered species. People and pets also benefit from medical research performed on animals.
Oddly enough, I think AR organizations don't always have the best interest of the animal in mind. I cases where lab animals have been set "free" etc... I think anyone that has ever managed animals can tell you that "freedom" , for an animals that has been accostomed to a certain routine, would be terrifying.
post #3 of 17
I think by now, everyone knows my stance on the AR movement. I am for Animal Welfare.
As a side note, thank you Spotz for starting this thread
post #4 of 17
Spotz, your question isn't clear. Do you want to add - What do you support?
Great thread, BTW, especially since you've given specific definitions or guidelines. (Personal question: I know John has Bobcats - what exotic cats, if any, do you have?)
post #5 of 17
I definetly think there is a difference between the two. I don't know where I fall though.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
I think AR organizations don't always have the best interest of the animal in mind.
I agree. I think that the way they try to get point across completely over shadows the point, and it does more damage. I don't think that they WANT to understand animals in the least bit. I think they just want to send all animals back to the wild and let them fend for themselves... but that's just how I see it.


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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
In cases where lab animals have been set "free" etc... I think anyone that has ever managed animals can tell you that "freedom" , for an animals that has been accostomed to a certain routine, would be terrifying.
I had never thought about it in that way. I do understand how my girls react to a change in our routine.

I'm all for the welfare of them. Their welfare is closely connected to our own, especially if we have made the choice to take them into our homes.
post #7 of 17
I am for Welfare... it unfortuanately seems that there are too many "rights" groups that refuse to see the benefits in some of the things they fight to the extreme...

I just think this is something worthwhile to add... whatever your thoughts on this, whatever you believe, you need to support. Animal Rights or Welfare would not exist without those who believe and support, so whatever your opinion, help out in any way you can
post #8 of 17
A teenager who admitted setting fire to an animal husbandry building at Brigham Young University on behalf of the Animal Liberation Front was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison. This is an example of the radical animal rights group ALF (Animal Liberation Front) They say they are for animal rights. I get it now, I guess the animals that died a horrible death in this fire are far better off. So much for animal rights. I would like to know, if this ALF member was for animal rights, who gave him the right to kill these animals in a fire? Is that the right those animals would have wanted? To die by burning? Give me a break!!
post #9 of 17
Has anyone seen "Penn And Teller's Bullsh*t" And their episode on PETA, and all animal rights activists? They bring up some good points. To give an animal rights is to put them on the same level as humans (when clearly, they are gods, at least in the sense of the feline ) But, to do this would mean that the animals would be required to have jobs, pay taxes, clean up after themselves (not defecate in public, for example) Wear clothing... hrm..


Does that seem the least bit foolish to anyone else. And, for a little perspective, Penn Gillette is a Vegetarian. It's not that they don't love animals- It's that they would rather have a pet than a peer in the case of an animal. And I, for one agree.


Sure. Take care of the cats and dogs, domesticated iguanas and whatever else thyou tou care to keep as a pet. But if you do, Make sure that you have the desire to keep them for the long haul, and make sure that you're going to be able to provide for the animals you do keep, and that they have the space that they need to roam. Make sure that when they break your favorite piece of breakable material, that you will worry whether tey hurt themselves before you lament you loss. Keep them healthy, provide a reasonably clean environment, and give them love. If you cannot provide these elements that are neccesary to keep a pet, then don't get them. There are laws in place that protect animals from mistreatment, and personally, I don't think they're well enough enforced. I'm all for having those laws wenforced properly.. but Animal Rights go well beyond that scope.

Just my 2 cents here folks.
post #10 of 17
I think for the great number of unfortunates that do not own pets they clump animal rights and animal welfare groups together. Whenever I read about PETA demonstrating against KFC for example -really now what is that going to do?? In my court case with Sheba-they wrote a letter to the DA's office with sentencing recommendations-after more research its like a form letter they send-did or will they contact me??? I say no. They are out for publicity and not willing to get to the bottom of animal abuse cases and actually help someone.
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jcat
Spotz, your question isn't clear. Do you want to add - What do you support?
Great thread, BTW, especially since you've given specific definitions or guidelines. (Personal question: I know John has Bobcats - what exotic cats, if any, do you have?)
Actually, I've tried to stay out of the thread for a little while, not even reading it until just now. I wanted to let it simmer a bit, and do my best to avoid influencing where it went.

I kept it as ambiguious as possible in regards to my stance, to hopefully keep from steering the thread initially.

I am best categorized in the AW side of the question.

Spotz
PS...If you would like I can PM you in regards to the personal question
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by Spotz
PS...If you would like I can PM you in regards to the personal question
I'm just curious - most of us have no experience with "exotics".
post #13 of 17
I am a firm Animal Wellfare person. according to many Animal rights orgs. You cant eat meat, or own things with animal products and such. Now although I dont own fur or anything of the likes. I do eat meat. I do own leather products. I wont be a hypocrite.

Its like with the Horse slaughter Debate...(oh boy have i been flamed for my beliefs on this one) Alot of people are advocateing for horse slaughter to stop. fair enough I would NEVER send my horses to slaughter. Just to make a buck. BUT I also realize there are THOUSANDS of unwanted horses. Horses that are not suitable for anything, have been carelessly bred, handled to make them dangerous ect. Now the humane thing would be to put them down nicely. No profit. But where there is profit to be made, people will try to make it. be it a dollar or what not. and I guess I would rather see the horse slaughtered, than standing starving a slow death in someones field.

That and although I do not eat horse meat, and wouldnt feed it to my animals either. I do eat Cow, Pig, and chicken...

So..I instead chose to fight for better conditions. have them shipped better. Make it so the ones who can not even stand in the trailer do not have to. they should be humanely put down.and so forth.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcat
I'm just curious - most of us have no experience with "exotics".
Oh..I just didn't want to get the thread side tracked.

No, I currently do not own any exotics. I still have to acquire 5 acres of land in Florida, I could lease, but I would prefer to make a home on something I own. I meet all of the other regluations required in Florida, except for the land. So I currently do not own any exotics.

Spotz
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
Little point of humor....cheesy perhaps, but pleasantly amusing....

Which noise below sounds more compassionate?

Arrrrr

-or-

Awwwww

Spotz
PS you must make each sound outloud for the fullest effect.
post #16 of 17
I will have to try this tomorrow morning when I am home alone. My wife is sleeping and if she woke up hearing me saying ARRRR and AWWWW, she would think I finally lost my mind
post #17 of 17
Wow- I just came across an article in the Washington Post describing the tactics an animal rights group called Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, which was started in Britain and branched out to the U.S., makes use of: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan30.html
The article rightly calls it "animal terrorism".
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