Farhenheit 9/11 wins People's choice award

And with over 20 million online votes with no way of monitoring if people were voting more than once, or even what country they are in...doesn't surprise me a bit. On either count. (Although honestly I find The Passion of the Christ to be a more credible win than F9/11, but that's just my biased opinion. )

I am glad he won!
He deserves it!

Hmm, I don't have kids and yet I haven't been told that I cannot comment on issues dealing with children. I don't own a corporation, nor am I employed by a big corporation, and yet I am allowed to comment on things like Enron and new corporate laws. I'm not a Democrat and I wasn't told that I had no right to discuss last year's Presidential nominees. And yet...this isn't the first time that I've been told that my opinion does not count and should be totally disregarded with regards to Michael Moore and this movie because I refuse to watch something (not just this movie) that I know beforehand will do nothing but infuriate me. I'm sure you wouldn't see a movie produced by the NRA, for instance, but I wouldn't say you cannot comment on it because you hadn't actually seen it. I haven't seen The Passion either, but we had quite the discussion on that particular movie, and I don't recall anyone saying that if you hadn't seen it you couldn't comment on it.

Michael Moore must just do strange things to people...

I have to agree in that everyone has a right to their opinion. I do however, believe that one who had actually seen the movie would be in a better position to comment - love it OR hate it. Again it would STILL be just an opinion and you have the right to have it.

Personally, I believe Michael Moore believes in what he is doing whether I sanction it or not and you have to give credit to people who are doing what they truly believe in and giving it their best whether you agree with their choices or not.

Congratulations to Michael Moore. (and of course, Mel Gibson - oh, heart be still!)

You know this almost reminds me of a movie that came out in the 80's that was very controversial that even people had become critical of it without ever seeing it. Of course when I saw the movie, and now own it on DVD since I liked it, I can see how a group of people can protest or make comments without seeing it. I saw it all the time with this one. With full TV coverage, one even mentioned that it wasn't worth a dime that he found in front of a theatre even though he hadn’t seen it. Massive protests in front of the major theatre chains you name it. Oh, the name of the movie? "The Last Temptation of Christ." Anyone remember the controversy behind that? I understand what people are saying who haven't seen the film. I saw it and liked it, however, I can see why many of the die hard Christians hated this film, even though partially-- it was a work of fiction. Now today people can comment on a film without really seeing it, but can read about it from both sides of the fence thanks to the internet and massive print media. Heck you can download it with Michael Moore graces, which sends a negative signal on piracy, but that’s another subject. Information on the film is out there, both against it and for it. They show the points in the film. I just read an article about it on MSNBC detailing the points of the film and comments about it. I can ascertain from varies sources, including here, why I choose to see or not to see it, but still comment on it with the facts, if you will, about the film since they are presented out there on the internet and in print media. Btw, in my opinion, I never had thought this was really a documentary of any type… I always thought it was more of a commentary, nothing more. And with the far left Hollywood, we all know that Michael Moore will be getting more awards for his film and his fans will be on the sidelines cheering for him.

well isn't quality an opinion? Some people thought Ishtar was a great film...


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When the Harry Potter books first came out, my mother-in-law went on and on about how bad they were for kids because of the sorcery, an evil influence on young minds, etc.. I asked her what she specifically found so objectionable, and learned that she hadn't even read excerpts from them, but was basing her opinion on a very conservative Catholic weekly she subscribes to, and what one of her friends was saying about the books. I told her I would argue the merits of the books (or lack thereof) after she had read at least one of them. She read the first two, and I haven't heard another peep out of her about them. In fact, last month she asked me if I was going to give the kids "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Askaban" on DVD for Christmas, or should she?
I think it was very much the same with "The Last Temptation" and "Fahrenheit 9/11". I can't comment on "Ishtar" - I watched about 15 minutes of it on TV, and switched channels.

Like I said, and maybe you should re-read my post. People can gain an opinion on a film (or other media sources) from the internet and massive print media that is out there. I did so the same. That’s *my* opinion. I can do that. So can you. This is the internet where you share your opinions, too a point. I heard Gigli was one of the worst films of the past year but I haven't seen it, but reading about it and what few people who I talked to who saw it, I had an opinion on it. The movie sucked. People said a lot about it, just like F9/11 and many other films, books, music in the past that not only myself but many others have said. How many times have you seen a trailer or a preview of a book, TV show and said "That it looks dumb" and have it planted in your mind? I know I have personally. I know many others have, and I'm sure you have done the same thing. However, when there is this controversial media that is out there and huge amount of information out there, I can get an opinion from that. I understand where *you* are coming from since you seem to be a Moore fan and supporter, among other things, but I choose to not to see this film, but can choose to comment on this film with an opinion that I have read and saw (with full clips, not the 30 second clips but nearly 5-10 minute clips) about this film. Again, that’s *my* opinion.

Funny, I wasn't even commenting on the quality or content of the film itself, just on the process by which the award was determined. But since I haven't seen the film, I'm still not qualified to have that opinion....

Heidi, have you heard the argument that only "extremists" use the Internet? I guess we're all extreme supporters of the right or left.

Thanks, I've got it. I am not allowed to have an opinion on this film or anything to do with this film because I have committed the apparent crime of not giving this man my money, and not seeing something that I know will make me angry (a feeling I don't enjoy). I apparently can't even comment on the process by which it was given an award because I'm not "educated" enough on the film to discuss anything where this film was nominated or even mentioned for that matter.

Thanks, I've got it completely. I guess I'm just not in that "elite" crowd....

Oh yes, and anyone reading this take note: If you haven't seen the movie, don't bother posting here. You don't actually have an opinion, and you aren't welcome in this thread or any other where Michael Moore or this film is the topic of conversation. If you can't bash Bush with the best of them, don't even bother.

Marge,

What "right wing" documentary did you watch about the Iraqi war/Bush/whathaveyou.

Righ Slanted? Hmmm. I have heard of the film but its very limited so I would need to hunt this down. However, I will state this, if a film that does not agree with you, its "Right Slanted?" I don't see it in this whatsoever so far. But from reading on one website (IMDB) by an Iraqi:

As an Iraqi I am proud of this movie for showing the beautiful side of the Iraqi people. I hope that many people around the world get to see the wonderful, caring, loving, funny side of the Iraqi people that this film presents. And Iraq's history and diversity!

Thank you to the filmmakers and all the Iraqis involved in this project for showing the world the beauty of Iraq and its people even as we suffer destruction, death, pain, and fear. It's remarkable how positive, hopeful, and funny the people are, given their circumstances. And thank you to everyone who watches this beautiful film.

Again, I'll check into the film. However, I don't have netflix. This is the only thing I will mention on this since this is off-topic.

And you know this for a fact? Have you talked to the producers and editors who created this film and was with them during the filming (okay far fetch but you have to think about it)? Have you seen what's on the "cutting room floor" to assume this? And yes I know the money came from a source that the State Department funds. Its been done before in so I don't see the "Conspiracy." Honestly I was hoping you would bring this up. I see your motives as I have in the past and knew you where going to say this. If its "right wing" or doesn't agree with you, then its skewed to the right and wrong. Its seems to me, if it supports the Bush Administration, then its wrong and just propaganda, but when the Liberal media and its supporters reports it or makes a film... then its correct... I'm done with this subject. If you wish to discuss this further, please IM me.

Love ya' Marge. You are even better at bringing in "the usual suspects" than I am.

Good news, wasn't it? I guess we will not be hearing what we heard after Cannes: "That was a bunch of furriners - mostly French, at that!"

I understand Michael's next film will take on the drug industry. We wait for it with unbridled anticipation.

Cheers,

Jim, who does not think that "liberal" is a dirty word.

I'm fairly well bridled, James.

Oh. I guess that means I can't comment, either. I probably shouldn't mention that my father had lunch w/ MM and was rather impressed with him, and told me all about how smart he was. Maybe I shouldn't mention that despite my father's extreme democratic leanings, he doesn't use the internet, and hates fax machines, too.

I guess I shouldn't do any research, either, because no matter how educated I am on a topic, if I haven't "lived" it, then I can't comment. I guess that I shouldn't check things out and form my own opinion on stuff because it could never be accurate not accepted as *my opinion* and why on earth would I want to state my mind on something, anyway, if I haven't seen it?

So I suppose Stephen Hawkins can't really discuss physics. He hasn't walked, so could not ever comment on the physicality of walking, or the physics of movement.

See? I can't comment.

But I did see "The Last Temptation of Christ" and thought it was an amazing movie. Absolutely amazing. It told the story of Jesus' choice in laying his life down for his beliefs. It spoke to the humanity of Jesus the Christ, and of his turmoil and doubt when asked by God to be the last sacrifice. It spoke to all the beauty and wonder that he *knew* he would give up should he do what was asked of him, and to the great faith he had in doing what was asked of him. It spoke of free choice, and of faith, in a way few movies could ever do. And it was a gloriously filmed piece.

Best-
Michele

Rude, huh? But somehow I'm not supposed to be insulted when told my opinion doesn't count because I don't meet your criteria? Right... And I suppose that's the only rude post in here. Guess us rednek rite-wing nutjobs wudn't knew any betr, huh?