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post #1 of 61
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapc...ake/index.html
We've been following this disaster on the news all day, and the death toll keeps climbing. It's been a year since the horrible earthquake in Bam, Iran, and people there are still living in temporary shelters. This catastrophe has hit such a wide area that I wonder how emergency rescue operations will go?
post #2 of 61
I don't know how the rescue operations will go, but I'm so very saddened for the people who are experiencing this tragedy.

Water is usually a relaxing element for us humans. We take bubble baths, enjoy a swim in the pool, or walk on the beach. It's scary when water becomes a foe. I read one article where a man commented, "It was literally like the sea stood up and walked to your door."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6757286/
post #3 of 61
I've been watching this closely also - I have friends in Madras - I emailed them first thing when I heard - haven't heard hide nor hair.

He worked with one of the consulting firms my company uses - so I will see the other fellows (most from that same area) soon.

Call me Ken, Sunitha or TriyaShree!!! (ok, she is only15 months - bang them on the head with your playphone!!!!)
post #4 of 61
It's really scary! I'm in the Philippines which is pretty near. Our scientists are on the lookout and giving some warnings. Dear God, please protect us from another disaster!
Some of my diving buddies had planned to go to Phuket and changed their plans the last minute. I'm so glad they did!
post #5 of 61
I heard from them! They are OK, but tell me that it is horrible over there - likening it to 911 - only no terriosts - just god.
post #6 of 61
Holy cow, I saw some footage of it at lunch. What utter devastation. Pretty unbelievable that there was no warning system in place.

My boss told me this morning that his niece was supposed to have been on one of the beaches where the tourists were swept away. When they were making the reservations, the hotels on that side of the island, where they really wanted to go, were completely booked. So they were on the other side of the island, and very very lucky.
post #7 of 61
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We've had special reports on TV all evening. "Guesstimates" are now over 20,000 dead, an awful lot of them young children. This is so horrible - those poor people. I've heard that at least a million people are now homeless, too. I'm shocked beyond words - how can such a huge area be so affected?
post #8 of 61
A couple of notes about disasters:

1) The initial death estimates are generally twice what the final toll will be. In large disasters the initial estimates are inflated even more. This does not mean this is not a terrible disaster, but don't consider the early estimates accurate.

2) This is particurarly true here in the US, but is likely true in other places: Within the next few weeks every church, radio station, and any other group will be trying to raise goods and materials to send to the relief effort. While well intentioned, the vast majority of the goods never get there and what does is rarely useful. The best thing you can do is donate money to a legitimate organization that has an established track record for relief (the Red Cross is the biggest one with the longest and strongest history, but there are also a few others.) Legitimate organizations DO NOT WANT your old cloths, cans of food, sheets, towels, blankets, etc., etc. to have to organize, inventory, transport and distribute (generally this costs more than the goods are worth, rarely is logistically practical, and almost never provides the resources needed for a proper relief effort). (Groups like Good Will are exceptions, but that is only for local use and is a completely different focus.) Sending money lets the organization get proper goods and materials (and in proper quantities) and more efficiently run the relief effort. Also, don't donate to a small group, someone standing on the street corner, or someone coming to your door that simply says they're "raising money for the relief effort". There are lots of shams after every disaster, and even some that may not technically be shams will keep and "administrative fee" for their unsolicited fund raising efforts. (It is legitimate for a charity to hire an organization to raise money, it is not legitimate for an organization to to raise money "on behalf of" or "to go to" a charity without approval, then keep a portion of the funds raised.) I suggest donations be made DIRECTLY to the organization that will be coordinating or providing the relief.
post #9 of 61
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Originally Posted by CharmsDad
A couple of notes about disasters:

1) The initial death estimates are generally twice what the final toll will be. In large disasters the initial estimates are inflated even more. This does not mean this is not a terrible disaster, but don't consider the early estimates accurate.

2) This is particurarly true here in the US, but is likely true in other places: Within the next few weeks every church, radio station, and any other group will be trying to raise goods and materials to send to the relief effort. While well intentioned, the vast majority of the goods never get there and what does is rarely useful. The best thing you can do is donate money to a legitimate organization that has an established track record for relief (the Red Cross is the biggest one with the longest and strongest history, but there are also a few others.) Legitimate organizations DO NOT WANT your old cloths, cans of food, sheets, towels, blankets, etc., etc. to have to organize, inventory, transport and distribute (generally this costs more than the goods are worth, rarely is logistically practical, and almost never provides the resources needed for a proper relief effort). (Groups like Good Will are exceptions, but that is only for local use and is a completely different focus.) Sending money lets the organization get proper goods and materials (and in proper quantities) and more efficiently run the relief effort. Also, don't donate to a small group, someone standing on the street corner, or someone coming to your door that simply says they're "raising money for the relief effort". There are lots of shams after every disaster, and even some that may not technically be shams will keep and "administrative fee" for their unsolicited fund raising efforts. (It is legitimate for a charity to hire an organization to raise money, it is not legitimate for an organization to to raise money "on behalf of" or "to go to" a charity without approval, then keep a portion of the funds raised.) I suggest donations be made DIRECTLY to the organization that will be coordinating or providing the relief.
Good points. Thanks.
post #10 of 61
prayers to all.

Life is fragile. This is another reminder. I mean have you seen the video? Lehrer hour had some video of the first ones taken by tourists.
At first it looks like this large wave, not something biblical. I can totally see why some people didn't run at first (people didn't, the video shows that..) but by the second wave...boy did they know.

It just seems to random. Life is precious and we are blessed to have it and enjoy our loved ones.
post #11 of 61
One of my oldest (long time) friends sister's husband lives in Thailand and for Christmas her sisters, (my friend and other sisters) bought her a ticket to Thailand to see her husband.
I hope she hasn't left yet and I hope her husband is OK!!
I havent been able to reach my friend to find out if they are affected.
That makes me wonder too, I hope they are all OK!!
They will be so completely devastated if they sent her into that mess!


Turns out she is not in the area, whew!!!!
post #12 of 61
My heart and prayers go out to all the victims and their loved ones. If anyone here is missing someone, I pray that you find them unharmed.
post #13 of 61
Thread Starter 
That was a very good reminder from CharmsDad - the most effective donations are those to large, legitimate organizations that can ship in water purifiers, the necessary medications to prevent epidemics (they're worried about cholera and malaria), and medical personnel. The German Foreign Minister has appealed to people here to give money rather than wasting it on fireworks.
post #14 of 61
do we have any members in the effected areas?
post #15 of 61
There is someone here in Roanoke that is from Sri Lanka, and was about to go visit. Him and his business is now collecting certain items, I have a bunch of clothes that I do not need, would it do any good to donate to them? (On the site it says clothes for their list of items they will take)

This is horrible, they now say about 40k people dead, and that if they don't get everything cleaned up it can double from diseases.
post #16 of 61
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Originally Posted by huggles
do we have any members in the effected areas?


Singapore is close by the island of Sumatra where it (earthquake and Tsunami) all started. I am hoping that Kateang is okay.
post #17 of 61
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Originally Posted by sandra
Singapore is close by the island of Sumatra where it (earthquake and Tsunami) all started. I am hoping that Kateang is okay.
she should be fine since singapore is on the other side of Sumatra it hasnt been effected thankfully. Sumatra "protected" it so to speak
post #18 of 61
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Originally Posted by chixyb
I have a bunch of clothes that I do not need, would it do any good to donate to them? (On the site it says clothes for their list of items they will take)
I have heard them saying on the news that the most important donations they need is money - however having said that - anything will help I guess. Thats if they can get it there.
what a great thing this guy is doing in Roanoke - we all need to help.

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This is horrible, they now say about 40k people dead, and that if they don't get everything cleaned up it can double from diseases.
the UN are saying 60,000 + how awful this all is. I can appreciate that this is only the initial figures - but even if it was half this it is still devestating.
post #19 of 61
Please be aware that these make-shift rescue efforts, while well intentioned, are rarely successful in getting needed relief to the affected areas. They generally end up actually creating a hindrance to the legitimate efforts of established relief organizations. I suggest that if people wish to help they contact their local Red Cross and find out where they can send donations for the international relief effort.

George
post #20 of 61
yes of course I certainly do agree George.

I just got back from the bank and donated to Red Cross... Chris & I were just saying if everyone in Australia donated just $1.00 - we could raise $20 million in this country alone...
post #21 of 61
They are saying with over 60,000 dead now, there will be many more as disease takes hold. The destruction is unbelievable. The most important thing they have to do right now is to safely clear away the dead (both human and animal) to prevent the deseases from taking hold. The Canadian Red Cross has already sent it's 1st plane and will be sending many more. Money is the best assistance anyone can give now. And prayers - lots of prayers!
post #22 of 61
just another reason to listen to our furry friends

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142822,00.html
post #23 of 61
Neat.
post #24 of 61
The moral of the story is - when the birds are quiet and you see no animals around, you better take heed of the warning! Something bad is going to happen.
post #25 of 61
Wow!
post #26 of 61
I am completly in shock about all of this....this is quite a humbling experience....with all the petty bickering and fighting in the world with just a blink of an eye 100,000 people could be killed by a tidal wave....no mater how advanced we are or how many weapons of mass destruction we have...in the end Mother nature can do us all in without warning......animals are more pure then humans this is why i think she gives them a better chance
post #27 of 61
I keep thinking, were my girls acting funny to before it happened? I know people have been a little on the strange side since Christmas. We are all human. We should all put aside our dumb petty differences and always be aware of our surroundings.

I have cats because I believe that they are in touch with something more then most people are. I trust their instincts. If two or more of my girls are acting strange for a day I wonder what is coming. I try to watch them and figure out what is bugging them. I hope they would tell me if something was gunna happen...
post #28 of 61
Merging the 2 tsunami threads.
post #29 of 61
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Originally Posted by MyRage
I keep thinking, were my girls acting funny to before it happened? I know people have been a little on the strange side since Christmas. We are all human. We should all put aside our dumb petty differences and always be aware of our surroundings.

I have cats because I believe that they are in touch with something more then most people are. I trust their instincts. If two or more of my girls are acting strange for a day I wonder what is coming. I try to watch them and figure out what is bugging them. I hope they would tell me if something was gunna happen...

OMG Tia.....Mabby was acting so wierd the day of it...like she was freaking out....she just needed to get out of the house....she was crying and such....I mean this could be a ton of things....but i dont know....John and I were just talking about that....and then i read your post.....wow...i wonder
post #30 of 61
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The worst part of these estimates is that the Red Cross, WHO, etc., are saying that they won't have an idea that is 90 -95% accurate before Friday, at the earliest. My sister had the right description: apocalyptic. There was a special on TV earlier this evening about families being separated, parents looking for kids, and vice-versa. I sat and cried, which is something I don't normally do easily. This is just - horrendous. Actually, beyond description. There are people who haven't had anything to eat since Monday, no clean drinking water, no medical attention....
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