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post #1 of 9
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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...431570,00.html

Areas in Germany and Austria have created Santa Free Zones in part to protest the commercialisation of Christmas.

It should be noted that part of the article above is wrong relating to Coca-Cola creating the modern day Santa (Jolly old man in Red) is false but it was the success of that 1930 campaign that established the Santa into the minds of the public.

So what do you think of this protest of commercialisation after all even 'Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer' was created as part of an advertising campaign in 1939.
post #2 of 9
The commercialised Christmas is the only one I celebrate, not being a Christian, and I enjoy it, so obviously I don't have a problem with commercialisation and don't feel the need to protest it (however, if other people don't like the commercialisation and want to celebrate it another way, or protest commercialism, that's cool for them, I don't have anything *against* that, it's just not for me).
post #3 of 9
You know, there is a way to *balance* the commercial and the traditional. It can be intermingled. You don't have to give up one to have the other.

Besides, like it or not many economies of the world would come pretty close to collapsing if the commercialized idea of Christmas were totally done away with. This is the season where retailers actually make money, whereas most of the rest of the year they break even or lose money (unless you're talking Wal Mart ). There is a reason why they call it "Black Friday" (the company moving out of the red and into the black financially), and why the retail numbers for November and December are so important to the stock market.
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by bumpy
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...431570,00.html



It should be noted that part of the article above is wrong relating to Coca-Cola creating the modern day Santa (Jolly old man in Red) is false but it was the success of that 1930 campaign that established the Santa into the minds of the public.
While they did not create Santa, their advertisement was the one that gave us the Santa image as we know it is the red suit. Previously the red suit was more of a cape/robe then the fur trimmed suit.
post #5 of 9
I guess that not many people know that Christmas is really a pagan ritual the "Christians" adopted in order to convert more followers.
The yule log and the decorated tree are symbols of reincarnation. To celebrate Christmas was a crime in the original 13 states.
It never ceases to amaze me how little people know about their religious holidays and defend Christmas as their "Christian" holiday.
It is the same with Easter, this was a fertility celebration. Again changed because the "Christians" converted it to gain more followers.
So to claim that commercialism took over a religious holiday is all bogus!
post #6 of 9
And that in a country where the chocolate "Nikolaus" /Santa Claus and "Lebkuchen"/gingerbread cookies are in every supermarket starting in September! Actually, the complaint I've heard here is that most kids nowadays believe that the "Weihnachtsmann"/Santa brings the presents, rather than the "Christkind"/Christ child, as was taught a generation or so ago. Nikolaus traditionally comes on December 6. The retailers are thrilled about the turnover they've been making on the Saturdays in Advent.
Many members of the "established" churches here (Lutheran and Catholic) also object to our pagan Halloween, which is catching on in Germany.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by DragonLady
I guess that not many people know that Christmas is really a pagan ritual the "Christians" adopted in order to convert more followers.
The yule log and the decorated tree are symbols of reincarnation. To celebrate Christmas was a crime in the original 13 states.
It never ceases to amaze me how little people know about their religious holidays and defend Christmas as their "Christian" holiday.
It is the same with Easter, this was a fertility celebration. Again changed because the "Christians" converted it to gain more followers.
So to claim that commercialism took over a religious holiday is all bogus!
Well,Christianity did borrow heavily from other religions. If you go to Egypt, you would see the ancient drawings of Mary and the baby Jesus to be Isis and the Horus. Isis in a Roman incarnation of Hera and Selena was quite popular back at Rome.

Also Mithra came from Persian but became popular with Romans and was also one of their gods. And Mithra's birthdate was placed on 25 december to a virgin mother and he too was seen as the salvation of mankind, mediator of earth and heaven. And part of the story was that Mithra also had a last supper with 12 of his followers before ascending to heaven. Also they have a ritual of purification where the followers ate bread that symbolize his body and drank wine to symbolize blood. Then there are the stories of death and rebirth in many of these older religion. And these are the only things I could remember off hand for there are other similarities relating to the trinity, jupiter, etc. Also there is the interesting question of the cruxifiction and the idea of human sacrifice prevalent in many ancient religion.

And I mention Romans specifically because to a certain extent Christianity is one of the lasting influences of the Roman empire as it was the Emperor Constantine who adopted Christianity (which until then was quite a minor cult) as the empire's main religion. Of course the Romans borrowed a lot from the Greeks and Egyptians and that Christianity borrowed from them and Judaism. Which is why I suppose many religious holiday promote the idea of sharing.
post #8 of 9
I'm not into the commercialization. I got presents when I was little but believed them to be from my parents to celebrate the birth of jesus. No one in my family goes overboard and christmas day isn't a festival of presents but we all have a formal dinner together and then open our few presents in private. Depending on my dh's beliefs, if I choose to have one, I would prefer that my children not be taught of santa but of a more spiritual/family focus. And I really don't want them to feel like they are entitled to the gifts, more that they are a priviledge.. but of course when i become a mommy everything i thought was true will probably change..
post #9 of 9
Santa is kind of fun from a commercial standpoint. But if I had kids, I can't imagine lying to them about it. It just rubs me the wrong way, I guess.
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