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post #1 of 11
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Well given that the initial Wal Mart thread is lost, thought I would start off another one with this particular article.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6700787/site/newsweek/

If you think Wal Mart is huge, think again. China has given permission to Wal Mart to expand at will in China. Only two other retailers are given this permission Carrefour of France (which Wal Mart might be buying) and Metro Group of Germany.

There seems to be a special relationship between Wal Mart and China as "Wal-Mart buys so many Chinese-made products that if it were a country, it would be China's sixth largest export market (after Germany) and its eighth largest trade partner."

Another interesting bit (to a certain extent) is that Wal Mart has allowed its shops in China to form unions. But of course, it should be noted that in China all (legal) unions has to fall under the All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU) and union leaders also happen to be company executives.

So why do some people hate Wal Mart?
1) Drive smaller local retailers out.
It takes two hands to clap and so unless one is a local retailer, it would seem that some consumers have "voted" with their cash to choose Wal Mart over the higher priced local retailers. It does create lower paying jobs as a result but does this mean that the previous jobs were overpaid? Or perhaps the economy is changing and that one should seek higher education rather than rely on lower paying retail jobs? For example, IBM recently sold its computer arm to a Chinese company, thus perhaps suggesting that to stay competitive one should move higher up the chain from manufacturing to research and development.

2) Anti-Union Sentiment
That may be true but there are plenty of other companies that have adopted such a practice AND union rates in US is at a paltry 13%. So it seems the norm in US is for companies not to be unionised. Of course, this does not take away from the fact that there are a number of cases of workers that are treated badly at Wal Mart and also the ongoing discrimination lawsuit against the company.

3) Pseudo Protectionism
As mentioned above, Wal Mart gets a lot of its products from China. So is this a form of pseudo protectionism? It seems odd that often the same people who are against globalisation or Wal Mart using workers in "sweat shops" are the same people who call for greater aid to developing nations. It is like saying, it is ok as long as you remain in a subservient position awaiting our handouts (so we can feel better about ourselves) but the moment you start trying to compete and improve oneself it suddenly becomes evil or exploitation. With friends like this who needs enemies.
post #2 of 11
Here's the link to the Frontline show about Wal-Mart:
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?

If you have DSL (and not a pokey dial-up like mine) you can even watch the show online.
post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
Here's the link to the Frontline show about Wal-Mart:
Is Wal-Mart Good for America?

If you have DSL (and not a pokey dial-up like mine) you can even watch the show online.
That was a very interesting broadcast, which I have to "digest" before commenting. Thanks for posting the link! Tip for others: It's faster with the Real Player than with the Windows Media Player.
post #4 of 11
I adore Wal-Mart, it has so many items that are inexpensive. When you live in a city where you have to be a lawyer or doctor to be able to afford a home and decent neighborhood you need to cut costs in other places. I bought a lot of clothes there which saved us a lot of money. Including most presents we every gave. It would be hard to live without Wal-Mart, and I know it would be even harder for others who can barely even afford their prices.
post #5 of 11
Walmart is the Evil Empire, but I shop there all the time -- you can especially save a lot on food. But, I do try to go to mom and pop stores for more specific items (like fish tank and cat supplies) , because Walmart has a few items for every interest, but not a lot in depth for any particular thing. So, they will only have one or two types of dechlorinator, etc.

At any rate, yes Walmart is satan -- they treat their employees like crap (hence the numerous lawsuits), they push small businesses under, etc... but Walmart is also cheap. So there you are.
post #6 of 11
Another reason for some people to dislike Walmart: they have donated $2.85M to the republican party from 1999-2004. They are on a list of companies to be boycotted by by folks protesting Bush. http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm

I will go everywhere else to shop if possible, and will spend more money elsewhere if it supports local business. The problem that I face is that, living in a small town, Walmart has already driven out most of the competition and it is the only place that carries things that we sometimes need. I shop there when there are no other options. More often than not I have to plan a trip up to the city to shop just to avoid Walmart.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Momofmany
Another reason for some people to dislike Walmart: they have donated $2.85M to the republican party from 1999-2004. They are on a list of companies to be boycotted by by folks protesting Bush. http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm
Hmm, I think I'll go shopping at Wal Mart today then.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Hmm, I think I'll go shopping at Wal Mart today then.
Thought you would! Actually, Costco stock has gone up since the boycot started. They contributed to the democratic party.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by Momofmany
Another reason for some people to dislike Walmart: they have donated $2.85M to the republican party from 1999-2004. They are on a list of companies to be boycotted by by folks protesting Bush. http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm

I will go everywhere else to shop if possible, and will spend more money elsewhere if it supports local business. The problem that I face is that, living in a small town, Walmart has already driven out most of the competition and it is the only place that carries things that we sometimes need. I shop there when there are no other options. More often than not I have to plan a trip up to the city to shop just to avoid Walmart.
One thing that occurred to me while watching the Frontline broadcast is that it doesn't seem fair to solely blame "one-stop-shopping-low-price" stores for the death of small retailers. I, too, live in a small town, and there's no WalMart or comparable store in the area, yet more and more small retail stores are closing. Walking down Main St. is depressing - every month another one closes its doors. I'm sure Internet shops play a very big role, too. I do a lot of shopping online: most of the Christmas presents I bought, virtually all our pet supplies, a DVD player, laser printer, cell phone, countless books and DVDs just this past year. I find a better variety and lower prices online, and I'm sure many others do, too.
post #10 of 11
look. We're a newly married couple, sving up for our first home, and unfortunately, RTP is like the 3rd most expensive area to live in the US. But we both have good jobs here, friends, and family. We don't make much money (together we make less than 60k) and have some amount of debt, and as an "inexperienced" driver, I pay $1,618 a year for car insurance. To make it short- For the ability to buy clothes that I can afford, to buy the games/ movies I love, and generic things for the cats.. and still be able to save some small amount of cash, I need a walmart. The superwamlarts have all the basic staples at a significant savings to the local groceries (here they only have the expensive ones, really, IE Harris Teeter, Lowes Food). If it weren't for a walamart (and a target, for that matter) We'd be cutting it close, and we'd either have to severely cut back on what little "fun" we do have as far as going out, or not have 3 cats, or cable, or internet. so While, it is'nt necesarily a need to have... It does increase our quality of life!
post #11 of 11
I absolutely can't stand Walmart, and I refuse to shop there. Because of the 'ethical' issues, of course, but to be honest, also because the place just gives me the creeps - I've been in them several times, and they are always packed to the point where it takes 10 minutes to maneuver your cart down one aisle, and I've never been to one where there weren't at least five or so babies and toddlers shrieking in stereo at the top of their lungs to be heard throughout the store, the noise echoing off the high ceilings, while their older siblings run wild around the store bumping into people - all of this coupled with the fluorescent lights gives me a bad headache and makes me feel all clausterphobic every time I've been there. That and the fact that the stores here are filthy dirty - I went to Walmart in October because my mom wanted to go, and the washroom there was the most absolutely disgusting thing I have ever seen. I actually called Public Health on them when I got home, it was that bad. This may be accounted for by the fact that the Walmarts that I've been to in my city were both in not-so-nice neighbourhoods and not kept up very well - my mom lives in a different city, and claims that they are clean, but even so, then there are still the ethical issues, and the fact that many of their products are cheap (and I don't mean price-wise), so even if they can manage to clean up and keep the noise down, I'll still avoid them.
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