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post #1 of 17
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I got this in an email from a friend of mine, who coincidentally I met at a goth club about 10 years ago. I'm no longer active in the goth club scene because it became so terribly shallow and appearance oriented (have to wear the right clothes, do your makeup a certain way, shop at particular stores, etc. So much for being individuals and counter-culture. ) Sad to say, at 32 years old and fairly "normal" or at least a responsible adult, I still fit many more than 5 of these "signs". I apparently need help. I found this pretty humorous myself, having an insider's knowledge of the goth scene.

I also found this oddly reminiscent of the paranoia about heavy metal in the 1980s, when I was a teen into metal. Luckily, my mother respected me enough to actually talk to me about the propaganda that she got from the church. Sad thing was that any normal teenager could have fit the requisite number of "signs" they talked about then, and the same holds true with this list.

This was apparently sent out in a newsletter from a Catholic church here in Colorado.

Quote:
If Your Child is a Gothic, Reform Through the
Lord! Listed below are some warning signs to indicate
if your child may have gone astray from the Lord.
Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous
culture that young teenagers are prone to
participating in. The gothic culture leads young,
susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil,
darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate
attention through counselling, prayer, and parental
guidance to rid your child of Satan's temptations if
five or more of the following are applicable to your
child:-Frequently wears black clothing.-Wears band
and/or rock t-shirts. -Wears excessive black eye
makeup, lipstick or nailpolish. -Wears any odd, silver
jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed
crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other
Satanic worshipping symbols. -Shows an interest in
piercings or tattoos. -Listens to gothic or any other
anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to
be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the
Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)
-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically. -Shows a declining interest in
wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer,
church or sports. -Shows an increasing interest in
death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or
anything else that involves Satan. -Takes drugs.
-Drinks alcohol. -Is suicidal and/or depressed. -Cuts,
burns or partakes in any other method of
self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses
pain to detract from the light of God and His love.
Please seek immediate attention for this at your local
mental health center.) -Complains of boredom. -Sleeps
too excessively or too little. -Is excessively awake
during the night.-Dislikes sunlight or any other form
of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the
idea that His light is of no use.) -Demands an unusual
amount of privacy. -Spends large amounts of time
alone.-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so
that your child may speak to evil sprits through
meditation.) -Insists on spending time with friends
while unaccompanied by an adult. -Disregards authority
figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a
few examples of this. -Misbehaves at school.
-Misbehaves at home.-.-Eats goth-related foods. Count
Dracula cereal is an example of this. -Drinks blood or
expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires
believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very
dangerous and should be stopped immediately.) -Watches
cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
(Ask your local church for proper programs that your
child may watch.) -Plays videos games that contains
violence or role-playing nature.-Uses the internet
excessively and frequently makes time for the
computer.-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently
shakes head to music. -Dances to music in a
provocative or sexual manner. -Expresses an interest
in sex.-Masturbates -Is homosexual and/or bisexual.
-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include:
Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca,
Hinduism and Buddhism.-Wears pins, stickers or
anything else that contains these various phrases:
"I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
-Claims to be a goth.If five or more of these apply to
your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic
culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If
any of these problems persist, enlist your child into
your local mental health center. ~St. Mary's Catholic
Church
post #2 of 17
Or send them to Catholic school! Good grief, it is a trend, that's all, nothing more. Nothing satanic about it, just something different to shock the culture-
post #3 of 17
Quote:
Listed below are some warning signs to indicate
if your child may have gone astray from the Lord... Wears pins, stickers or
anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth".
Ie. your child might be a goth if he says they're a goth. Lol!
post #4 of 17
hehe. Is that for real? Count Dracula cereal. hehe.

"Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the
computer"

Oh my, users of the catsite are doomed, doomed I tell you, DOOMED. And I guess Bill Gates, everyone at silicon valley and the whole NASDAQ are evil.

"Frequently wears black clothing"
Oh my those waiters that served my dinner in tuxedoes are agent of satan. No wonder the food tasted too spicy for my liking. But I would admit that chocolate cake sure is sinful!

"pentagrams, pentacles...ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols"
Hmm I wonder if they have anything against the pentagon? As for the ankhs, perhaps they should tell this to the Coptic Christians who uses a cross derived from the ankhs.

"Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as sports...Watches cable television"
Wait a minute what if the sports game is on cable TV? Oh my I think I am having a crisis of spirituality and faith.

"Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan"
Hmm, gosh I guess all talk of heaven, rapture and Jesus returning from the dead is bad. Oh mine, does this sentence show the authors own facination with the occult and satan (He mentioned Satan EIGHT times), I think the author is an agent of satan.

"Is excessively awake during the night."
I think we finally hav official confirmation that a baby that cries at night is evil. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6713648/

"Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light"
But prefer skin cancer? So going to a tanning bed is now a religious thing? Wow, I guess the states of New Hampshire and California are evil for enacting laws that prevent teenagers from going to tanning salons because of health concerns. You know I thinking tanning salons and teenagers should start an action because the government is infringing on their religious belief.
"Misbehaves at home"
So what happens if say a parent in California refuses permission for their child to use a tanning bed, should the child disobey or not, it is so morally conflicting.

"Spends large amounts of time alone.-Requests time alone and quietness"
At least I understand this. This is to prevent the person from thinking and coming to the conclusion that the person who wrote this has lost it.

"Pursues dangerous cult religions ... Philosophy"
Did not realise philosophy is a religion. I think they have a problem with people thinking more than anything else.

"If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center"
I think this should read "If you are thinking of enlisting your child into a health center for 1) using the internet, 2) thinking about philosophy, 3) complains of being bored 4) eating Count Dracula cereal 5) Watches cable TV then I suggest you tell you kid that mommy or daddy is going away for some help and enlist yourself into a local mental health center."

I guess these are the same people who think Harry Potter is evil.
post #5 of 17
You know.. I think gothic Counter culture has become so in it's pop now. I'm sad. There's now a hot topic or 2 in every city, and honestly, there's a reason it's called the goth and go..
Beh.. anyhow.. I think they've gone a liiiitle overbord.. does this smell a bit of the "beware of Dungeon and dragons players" schtick that went on for a while?

*edit* and to note.. most magicking religions don't believe in a personified satan, and satanists don't even idolize satan.
post #6 of 17
On, no! I am going to hell! Or is all that stuff just for teenagers?!
post #7 of 17
"Spends large amounts of time alone.-Requests time alone and quietness"
At least I understand this. This is to prevent the person from thinking and coming to the conclusion that the person who wrote this has lost it.




In reality though-this list is quite sad. Young adults need to find their own way and this is usually through 'group' identity. They all think they are different and weird (didnt we all at a certain age) but they all actually look the same. I dont think it is a bad thing to keep an eye out for the more bizarre stuff but this list is just.......well I dont know what to say really! Isnt this called fundamentalism?
post #8 of 17
*whistles.. * I do almost all of those things?
post #9 of 17
OMG.... I guess I am satanic then... I must be wasting my breath praying everynight.

I couldn't even read through the whole thing because I started to get riled. I had a trying day at work and I am trying to CALM down Guess that listening to System is out. Maybe I will dust off my Book of Shadows, and Marylin Manson cd's, dress in all black, and surf the net...

I took time out of my life to study Wicca to learn about it. My mom told me they worshiped satan. My cousins are Wiccans. I didn't wanna believe my cousins were bad people because they studied witchcraft, so I started studying it to see what it was all about. It really isn't bad. They have good teachings like catholics. I stayed away from the dark aspect. I've never done any 'love potions' or anything... I would rather someone fall for me naturally. That way I wouldn't be left wondering if they did love me for real or not.

Concert teeshirts with bands names on them... Geeeze that is goth? I must have been goth way back when. I wore lots of band teeshirts in school. I also wore ankhs (aren't those ancient egyptian?) I also wore crosses, never upside down, and at that time I refused to have anything to do with pentagrams cuz I thought they WERE satanic.

(This is so
that your child may speak to evil sprits through
meditation.)
Um... I like quiet time, I didn't realize I was speaking to evil spirits through meditation...

-Is suicidal and/or depressed. -Cuts,
burns or partakes in any other method of
self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses
pain to detract from the light of God and His love.
Please seek immediate attention for this at your local
mental health center.)
I thought that was just a 'call for help' I'm firmilure with 'blood letting' as a way to ease one's own mind. (I was an insain teenager). I don't know where I went right, but I did somewhere cuz I pray still...

-Complains of boredom.... I guess we can't ever be bored? Perhaps boredom is because the kids just don't like what there is to do? Most kids I know are ALWAYS bored...

Eats goth-related foods there are goth related foods???

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
Um... does that mean that the 700club is satanic???? OMG... I never could have guessed, that is on cable, it came on our cable... I wonder about other cable channels that are devoted to God?

Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently
shakes head to music. -Dances to music in a
provocative or sexual manner. -Expresses an interest
in sex.-Masturbates -Is homosexual and/or bisexual.


I wonder if they mean headbang??
um... about dancing in a provocative or sexual manner... um... okay... sluts and exotic dancers (NOT grouping the two together, sometimes they coincide, but not always) are satanic? What about all the girls that wiggle instead of 'dance'?
Okay... aren't ALL teenagers interested in sex? Especially boys... I don't think girls are the devil, it must be BOYS are the devil.... UH OH, and I married one.
Okay, masturbation... EYES ROLLING... homo/bisexual we know the church has a problem with those two, but really, now they are satanic?

I knew goths were all about black, all about being sad, all about vampires and such, but I'm not too sure that many of my goth friends went as far as running to satan.

IMO that describes more then just goth. It describes almost every kid ages 12 to um... 25? I thought a lot of it sounded like depression to me... Hmph, shows ya what I know.

Perhaps I should go learn to meditate so that I can start talking to demons and evil spirits...

pooor churches, they push so hard to keep their people interested, that I think they are pushing the youth away.

Marylin Manson... he's a different story all together. I'm not into his Krap about antichrist, but I do love his voice. I do also like his(some)music. He's got his own story, and it's got something to do with being raised EXTREMELY CLOSED MINDED CATHOLIC, wich pushed him so far away from religion, he became what we see here today. Perhaps if the church and his parents didn't push him so hard to be a 'good christian' he may have been ??

Who knows. People are people, churches are churches, why can't we all get along and celebrate our differences rather then be so dang closed minded about stuff?
post #10 of 17
Anybody care to confess what their parents did to them when they started wearing peace beads, went barefoot, wore their hair long and learned to play the guitar? I got grounded for months! LOL
post #11 of 17
My parents said. "she wears black because it suits her.. and she wears a bit too much black makeup that is true, but that's just a phase. I remember wearing brown eyeliner on my lips when it was mod." Guess what? my mom is catholic and reads tea leaves, coffee grounds, and tarot.. I guess my mom is a satanic catholic.

Satanists don't WORSHIP satan. Satanists worship THEMSELVES as the morningstar did when he fell. soooo....
post #12 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlecat
My parents said. "she wears black because it suits her.. and she wears a bit too much black makeup that is true, but that's just a phase. I remember wearing brown eyeliner on my lips when it was mod." Guess what? my mom is catholic and reads tea leaves, coffee grounds, and tarot.. I guess my mom is a satanic catholic.

Satanists don't WORSHIP satan. Satanists worship THEMSELVES as the morningstar did when he fell. soooo....
lol
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlecat
My parents said. "she wears black because it suits her.. and she wears a bit too much black makeup that is true, but that's just a phase. I remember wearing brown eyeliner on my lips when it was mod."
....
You know, the one time my mother saw me totally "goth'ed out", full makeup and all vinyl outfit, she looked at me and said, "You look really pretty like that! That look really suits you." This from the Director of Christian Education at the Lutheran Church...
post #14 of 17
I spend at least half my time with teenagers, and my reaction to that text is:
It's really time for some people to get "real"!
I hesitate to add this, but a lot of the stuff in that email could be considered an apt description of a girl I went to high school with. She's not the publisher of an S&M magazine, or the owner of a Web site specializing in child porn - she has been a nun (Order of St. Joseph) since 1980!
post #15 of 17
Oh thank you for a great laugh!
post #16 of 17
What's so satanic about an ANKH? It's a symbol of life for God's sake!
post #17 of 17
I am 18 and fit at least 18 of those, couple years back would be more like 25! ROFL that is ridiculous! I mean come on!
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