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post #1 of 42
12/13/04 at 1:59pm
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Here is an interesting article about the changing times (at least in UK) with regards to the acceptance of fur. Note that the article has a sensationalist starting line on cat and dog fur but it turns out to be merely sensationalist rather than concrete.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/thi...p?story=592329

So what do you think?
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post #2 of 42
12/13/04 at 8:21pm
It would heavily depend on the orgin of the fur, however I don't see a problem with wearing fur personally.

Spotz
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post #3 of 42
12/13/04 at 8:25pm
Nope, nada, nyet..... I would NEVER wear fur. I feel sorry for the animals that gave up their skins so people could have fur.
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post #4 of 42
12/13/04 at 8:33pm
I believe the fur looks much better on the babies!
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post #5 of 42
12/13/04 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by dawnofsierra
I believe the fur looks much better on the babies!
I agree 100%...but they will eventually be done with it...at that point I see no reason against using it.

Hence my original statement regarding the origin.

If the animal lives a healthy & happy life, then it's fine. To raise an animal solely with the intent of killing it as soon as it gets big enough...that's just wrong.

Spotz
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post #6 of 42
12/13/04 at 9:35pm
No debate intended, Spotz!
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post #7 of 42
12/13/04 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by dawnofsierra
No debate intended, Spotz!
Awww!

No problem...just wanted to clarify some. My original message was kinda terse.

Spotz
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post #8 of 42
12/13/04 at 11:26pm
no i do not wear it
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post #9 of 42
12/14/04 at 7:38am
I don't have anything against fur but I don't wear it. If it came into style I might.

ps. i don't like PETA
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post #10 of 42
12/14/04 at 7:47am
Never have done, never will, and the fur i have on my coat at the moment is 100% fake.
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post #11 of 42
12/14/04 at 7:47am
I just don't like the way fur looks to begin with - it's a matter of personal preference.

When you add the fact that it affects other animals, then it makes me realize that I would never wear fur.
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post #12 of 42
12/14/04 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Spotz
I agree 100%...but they will eventually be done with it...at that point I see no reason against using it.

Hence my original statement regarding the origin.

If the animal lives a healthy & happy life, then it's fine. To raise an animal solely with the intent of killing it as soon as it gets big enough...that's just wrong.

Spotz
Is there a place where you can get fur where you can be assured the animals it came from had lived out a healthy and happy life?
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post #13 of 42
12/14/04 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
Is there a place where you can get fur where you can be assured the animals it came from had lived out a healthy and happy life?
Fur from your beloved pets?

Seriously, if people believe loved ones ashes make sentimental jewelry, why not turn beloved pet fur into furs?
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post #14 of 42
12/14/04 at 9:03am
I used to be against fur, but when I go to the Native American Reservation, I see the furs that they sell and I always want to buy one but they are out of my price range so I don't. They feel sooo nice but I don't wear it, just for decorative purposes. You should see my landlords home - she has furs all over the walls - foxes, kangaroo, bear, coyote, skunk, racoon, deer amongst others. It does look pretty.
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post #15 of 42
12/14/04 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by mrsd
Fur from your beloved pets?

Seriously, if people believe loved ones ashes make sentimental jewelry, why not turn beloved pet fur into furs?
ummm...that's not exactly what I meant.

I was trying to clarify what Spotz said about fur being OK if it came from animals that were treated well & had lived out their lives happily. I would say it would be OK to use fur in that case too, but I doubt such a thing can be found. Except for our own pets, and there's no way I could wear my cat.

To my knowledge (though I may certainly be wrong), animals whose fur is used for clothing are usually raised just for their fur, and it wouldn't be profitable to raise the animals in healthy & happy circumstances and wait for them to live out their lives. Even if we used the whole creature as we do cows, it would be OK to me, but killing an animal just for its fur bothers me, and I wouldn't want to support such business by buying fur.
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post #16 of 42
12/14/04 at 9:37am
I have a little bit of an odd attitude toward fur. I figure if you kill an animal you ought to eat it...so if you've kill something to eat (ie a rabbit or something), I don't see anything wrong with using the fur from it. Kinda the same way we use the hide from cattle for leather but eat them. But if your killing just for fur, that's sick.

That being said, I don't wear fur for a couple of reasons. A) I can't afford it. B) Even if I could, the cats would tear it up.
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post #17 of 42
12/14/04 at 10:10am
I don't like it, and I don't wear it... hmmm I don't know any guys that would.
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post #18 of 42
12/14/04 at 2:47pm
Why would you want to wear a second hand coat?
There used to be this great advert in the UK. It showed an elegant woman dragging a fur coat behind her with the caption 'rich bitch'and next to it was a fox lying in a pool of blood with the caption 'poor bitch'.
Made you think!
Fake fur is so 'real' these days. I wear a fake sheepskin jacket and you really cant tell the diiference.
That said - it does appear to me to be a lot of hypocrasy(sp) about. People eat veal but not poor little bunnies! People wear leather shoes but oh no cant wear fur! Cattle and sheep are raised for their meat so where is the difference in raising mink for their fur? (Devils advocate for a moment there). I dont eat meat and i dont wear leather. But as was once pointed out to me the petrochemicals etc that go to make the 'fake' items - perhaps enviromentally they are bad too.
Argggggg look what you've started this time Bumpy!
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post #19 of 42
12/14/04 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
ummm...that's not exactly what I meant.
I knew that. I couldn't resist.
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post #20 of 42
12/14/04 at 4:15pm
I love nice furs. Due to the cost, I only have a 15-year-old rabbit jacket, right now. During my Tombstone years, I had several vintage pieces, worn with my costumes.

I'm not too picky, though: I have a lot of good fakes and they're just as warm and good-looking, as the real stuff.
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post #21 of 42
12/14/04 at 5:02pm
I despise fur. I think it is tacky, and dated, faux and real. Ick, hate it! Would NEVER wear it.
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post #22 of 42
12/14/04 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
Is there a place where you can get fur where you can be assured the animals it came from had lived out a healthy and happy life?
Assurrances are extremely hard to come by these days on anything. On the humane treatment of the animals that meat comes from, or leather, or eggs or milk or what not.

I don't know of any place that does this...however the concept is not totally far fetched either(IMO). The startup costs for such a business would be tremendous, however in the long run (15+ years) I could see it being just as productive, if not more so, than the generalized current practice. It's really a question of quantity vs quality, I suppose.

Spotz
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post #23 of 42
12/14/04 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by Cougar
I don't like it, and I don't wear it... hmmm I don't know any guys that would.
I know a few guys that have fur caps or gloves, but none that have a fur coat, or scarf or similar.

Personally I have plenty of functional coats already, I don't need a fur coat, but like I said before, I'm definately not against fur being used for clothing.

Spotz
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post #24 of 42
12/14/04 at 7:38pm
I would NEVER wear fur. I see no reason what so ever for an animal to die so I can look pretty. If you are trying to keep warm there is no reason either, since there are plenty of coats that will keep you just as warm if not warmer, or perhaps "fake fur" which will also do the job. How could anyone find beauty in something that has been brutally salughtered?? I just find it very sad that people still insist on wearing fur.
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post #25 of 42
12/15/04 at 12:33am
I voted "NO" because I live in the tropics and there's no need for it. But when I was a kid growing up overseas, and come winter, my mom would lend me her fur coats or wraps, and I loved it so much I dreamt of the day I'd be grown up enough to wear them. Nothing beats the cozy warm feeling of fur on a cold day.
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post #26 of 42
12/15/04 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by tulip2454
That said - it does appear to me to be a lot of hypocrasy(sp) about. People eat veal but not poor little bunnies! People wear leather shoes but oh no cant wear fur! Cattle and sheep are raised for their meat so where is the difference in raising mink for their fur? (Devils advocate for a moment there). I dont eat meat and i dont wear leather. But as was once pointed out to me the petrochemicals etc that go to make the 'fake' items - perhaps enviromentally they are bad too.
Argggggg look what you've started this time Bumpy!
Hehe, sometimes the more you think about things the more conflicting every position seems. The west criticise China or Korea for eating dog meat but yet they happily consume the cow, the sacred animal of the Hindus.
Fur: Bad for animals
Syntatic Fabrics: Petrochemical
Cotton: Pesticides
Nude: Bad for "morality" I would presume.
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post #27 of 42
12/15/04 at 9:53am
I don't wear fur, but I have both a down jacket and a down coat, so what's the difference? Am I supposed to believe that the geese were all used for food?
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post #28 of 42
12/15/04 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by jcat
I don't wear fur, but I have both a down jacket and a down coat, so what's the difference? Am I supposed to believe that the geese were all used for food?
That would be an awful lot of geese considering all the down bedding and coats, and pillows that are around.
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post #29 of 42
12/15/04 at 11:42am
Wow, this could be interesting!

Paté de foie gras - geese are deliberately fattened to extreme to produce this delectable food. (It really is much more delicious than any other paté I have ever eaten).

I received a rabbit scarf for Christmas and yes, I'm wearing it.

When I was in my late 20's I bought myself a fur coat (raccoon). It was the first time in my life that I was actually warm while outside during the winter.

I eat meat and wear leather.

Does that make me a bad person and a hypocrite? Probably.
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post #30 of 42
12/15/04 at 11:55am
I said no I won't wear fur. I just like animals too much.

I was told as a youngster that fox are raised and electricuted to harvest their skins. Rabbits are eated in some parts of this country, and their fur is used for many items.

Another thing some folks are not aware of is some fur coats are actually cat or dog fur. These animals are rounded up from the streets or kill shelters and slaughtered for their fur, in some third world countries. Some of those little fur nick nacks, like sleeping kittens or prowling tigers use this fur as well.

Fur means something died for an article of clothing or a decoration. Just too frivilous a reason for me personally.

I wouldn't splash blood on fur wearers or anything like that, people need to make the choise that is right for them.
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