Would I like to have a cheetah as a pet? Nope, unless I am Tarzan and even then I would consider this beautiful cat my wild brother or sister deserving of my love and respect!
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6/21/04 at 11:02pm
Originally Posted by Spotz
Thanks for the reminder Sandy about credentials. I believe I have mentioned mine in the past, I don't speak merely from hypothetical. I've been working with these various animals for quite a few years now also.
Originally Posted by Sweets
Spotz helped me to find a good vitamin supplement for her, even though we found a new one that she actually likes, so I know he knows what he is talking about.
Spotz, I apologize. I must have missed that thread. I will add you to my list of "people to ask".
Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
Suffice to say, a person will not win a battle with even a domesticated bobcat, not hand to hand. Based on experience, not theory.
I couldn't agree with this more. Let me tell you, I have seen this with Amber. My first experience was with a new toy we had gotten her. It was a ball that had a feather on it. Well, she ran off with it, but when I went to get it from her, she was in no way going to let me have it. It wasn't that she would run away, she stood her ground and wanted to fight. But, she wasn't angry at me, it was the toy that set her off. The feather made her think she had prey in her mouth. This incident did not bother me, because I understand her and why she did what she did. So, she no longer gets that type of toy. A bobcat in the wild can be quite fierce. However, Amber is very loving. Her favorite thing to do is jump on my back, puts her rear on the back of my head and dangles both back legs around the sides of my neck and the lies down. All the while her 6 inch tail whips around hitting me in the back of the head. She also likes to put her front paw in my hand, like she is holding my hand and then grooms my arm.
Sandy, thank you for the compliment, but I am no expert, just did my homework before ever considering brining a bobcat in my home and I am still doing my homeowrk. Feeding these cats the proper diet is another issue for their good health. Spotz helped me to find a good vitamin supplement for her, even though we found a new one that she actually likes, so I know he knows what he is talking about.
Cougar, I doubt even a so called "strong man" could get a cheetah in a head lock, only if the animal let him.
Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
Trust me on the man overpowering a cheetah. I confirmed it with many animal experts and they say the man wins 7 out of 10 times. Sharp claws and teeth doesn't guarentee victory
These are the kind of things that get people into trouble and a wild animal getting abandoned. I don't know who these so called animal experts are, but I doubt if this was based on fact. If you wrestled with a Cheetah that was raised in captivity along with humans, yes, I am sure you could win, because the animal trusts you. But if this was one taken from the wild, there is no way. Let me tell you, sharp claws and teeth do guarentee victory. I wonder if these so called "animal experts" wrestled with a cheetah who was declawed or had its teeth removed. This may also be the case. Let me tell you about the strength of these wild cats. Amber, by all means, is small compared to the much larger wild cats. When mature, she will grow to 30-40 pounds and males about 40-60. Amber is around 21 pounds at the moment, it will take her 3 years to fully mature. As it stands right now, she can actually drag an 8 pound cat carrier with a 12 pound cat inside, across the floor with no problem. Her paws are as wide as a human hand. Imagine that smacking you with huge claws that are more than double the size of a domestic cats claws. Now, I can only imagine the strength of a cheetah. It doesn't mean that I am against anyone owning such an animal, but it is those kind of statements that make people think anyone could own one. This is not so. When people see me with Amber an say "wow, that would be cool to have one. Where did you get her". My reply is no, it is not "cool" and I never tell them where she came from. I also ask people if they have ever owned a domestic cat and for how long. If they say no, I never had one, I tell them never in a million years should you think of owning a cat like Amber. I have lived with cats all 43 years of my life. I never claim to be an expert, but I have a great deal respect for them.
|And as far as strenght goes, humans limb strenght is very high. Great apes (including humans) are much stronger than animals around the same size. Our bite force is relitively large too, over 200 pounds of force when a cougar is 300 pounds (some humans gotten over 600-900 pounds).|
|Oh, and a couple years ago I used to work on a team that teaches captive tigers how to hunt. So I'm not just saying this because that is what I beleive, or just talked to animal experts.|
Originally Posted by Cobra
Cheetahs are built very different than other cats. The whole of a cheetah's body is built for pure speed, not pure power. Cheetahs body is long, but very lean. Cheetahs are not meant to fight, they instead usally run.
The size of a cheetah is similar to a cougar for example. If you compare a 125 pound cheetah to a 125 cougar, there is a BIG difference. Cheetahs are very lean, and cougars are very buff looking. A cougar of 125 would probably beat most humans, unless he was the size of a sumo wrestler or very or a master martial artist unless he had a weapon. A cheetah on the other hand would not have the same result.
And as far as strenght goes, humans limb strenght is very high. Great apes (including humans) are much stronger than animals around the same size. Our bite force is relitively large too, over 200 pounds of force when a cougar is 300 pounds (some humans gotten over 600-900 pounds).
I've heard someone say that they knew someone who had a cheetah and got a few cuts. I wouldn't doubt. I've even gotten a couple scratch marks on my hand by my domestic cat before while playing. It doesn't mean my cat can beat me (Rocky is who I am talking about, and he hasn't returned home yet. ).
Oh, and a couple years ago I used to work on a team that teaches captive tigers how to hunt. So I'm not just saying this because that is what I think, or just talked to animal experts. I know a great deal about animals belonging to the order Carnivora.
Originally Posted by CharmsDad
Where did you hear this???? This is so far from true (and so easily checked) it's unbelievable you'd even say it. Humans are remarkably weak for their weight when compared to other similar sized animals. Wolf bite strength is in excess of 1200 lbs/in with domestic dogs running over 900 for German Shepards. Having been in the position on multiple occasions to need to subdue adult wolves and large dogs I can tell you I could not do it safely without supporting equipment, and a large animal requires multiple people working as a team. Big cats are even stronger for their weight with a bite strength a bit less than wolves and varies by species but is still much greater than humans. A young gorilla has roughly 9 times the arm strength of a similar sized adult human and 4 times the bite strength, and a 150 lb Orangutan can easily pop a coconut with one hand.
Humans are NOT great apes, they are a completely separate class of primates (the sole surviving species of humanoid). Great apes are chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans, and bonobos.
Cheetahs, like all cats, are remarkably strong for their weight. While you might be able to knock one over the result would be making it mad, not subduing it. You started with claiming an average sized man could "easily" overpower a cheetah, then later claimed he could 7 out of 10 times. You've greatly contradicted yourself here, and even if it was true it would only take one of those 3 out of 10 times for the cheetah to inflict serious wounds - which they will when they're cornered and feel threatened. The reality is a human without equipment or support can not reliably or readily overpower a cheetah. While they may not be as agressive as some other cats, there is still a risk. In addition, cheetahs have a the notorious history of becoming quite frail when kept in captivity, particularly when not kept in a sufficiently sized environment or where climate conditions are unfavorable (read "cold".)
Interesting claim since the very few documented efforts to do this have been in India or Asia and mostly unsuccessful.
Originally Posted by Lemur 6
Nope. I'm a smallish dude, and the cheetah would probably think of me as dinner, or a play thing, and rip me up pretty bad. Then someone would find my ripped up body, and the cheetah grinning with a bloody face, the dude would run out, call some animal control organization. The police would get involved, since some big animal killed someone, and would want the animal exterminated. And bam, the whole thing would turn into a big can of worms with laws making cheetahs illegal to own getting passed, and horror stories of how a cheetah ripped up some poor guy start floating around. So I think it's best not to even go there.
Omg, imagine the legal suits if someone's cheetah ate someone's kid! I mean a house cat can bite or scratch someone's kid but the kid won't die, on the other hand, the cheetah will most probably kill a child. Imagine if some how the cheetah escaped, got lost in town, got excited and killed someone's dog (dogs are pretty jealously protected nowadays with insurance and everything). Hahaha, or imagine trying to take kitty to the vet!
Originally Posted by eburgess
I use to tell my mom that I wanted a tiger for a pet, but some how I don't think an 800 lbs tiger would like my apartment. Owning a wild animal is one of those childhood fantizies most people have, like marrying Prince William... It's just not going to happen!!!
|a bit off the subject but last night i had the weirdest dream that i had a bobcat the size of a lion called (originally enough) amber! i walked her on a lead and used her to fight burglars.... going to stop looking at the bobcat pics on here!|