God no. what a loser!
post #31 of 42
6/21/04 at 4:12pm
Originally Posted by Scott77777
I great portion of my old job required non-stop reading of Washington issues and the Clinton presidency.
Here's my take on Bill:
Politically, he was very strong in the sense that his programs and intiatives were well-meaning and positive (Brady Bill, Family and Medical Leave Act, Americorps, the closest thing we've seen to peace between Israel and the Palestinians, a much-needed desire for health care reform, movement toward peace in Northern Ireland, and a successful military action in Serbia, among other things).
Personally, he made some bad decisions, given the fact that he was being relentlessly pursued by political opponents, certaily makes those mistakes even worse.
Now....let's not pretend. Their was (and is) a vicious political climate. Much of the hatred is based on active campaigns to demonize certain people.
If you just look at the mileage that Clinton's "I didn't inhale" comments received, compared to the fact that George W. Bush spent his campaign refusing to answer questions about his youth and allegations of drug abuse -- it certainly can be a two-sided coin. The political attack dogs are hypocrites...we'll attack your guy, just don't attack ours.
As far as I can tell, Clinton gets slammed for lying about oral sex (Whitewater failed to produce anything, as did many other accusations). George Bush is getting slammed for potential false pretenses for war -- rallying our nuclear-capable country around the banner of "Saddam has WMD" and sending teenagers into war.
I was in favor of the removal of Saddam's regime and dealing with both terrorists and despotic governments. But I also believe a president has an obligation to lay out the case truthfully and without doubt when committing Americans to war.
On my list of priorities, war is far more grave than oral sex. Even Reagan had his own scandals - Iran-Contra, in which the U.S. unfathomingly sold arms to Iran -- one of the U.S.' biggest enemies then and now.
Ironically, at the time of the war in Kosovo, the general Republican "chatter" was that Clinton was "wagging the dog" in the war to distract from accusations and criticism. Yet the war in Kosovo led to democratic elections in Serbia and a cessation of violence (there had been mass graves, concentration camps, etc...). Milosevic is on trial for war crimes in the Hague.
Yet, for the past year or two, the general Republican "chatter" is to say that failing to support GWB shows a lack of patriotism or resolve. Holy crap, George. If you say "to hell with the rest of the world," and bring our nation into war, I'm with you -- but you better have some pretty solid evidence that we're not going to look like jackasses when we get there and there's no WMD to be found. This was the same guy who campaigned against "nation building."
It is, in the end, one of many examples of hypocrisy.
I can remember during the election in 2000, many Republican pundits came out and said, "what we don't need is long, costly litigation [over the recount]. What this country doesn't need is a challenge to our sacred insititution of the presidency."
I nearly chocked on my Pepsi when I heard that.
Long, costly litigation? Challenging the institution of the presidency? I must have been in an alternate universe for eight years.
|Originally Posted by Deb25
Seeing as I have about as much respect for Bill as jcat does for GWB, I think not.
|Originally Posted by katl8e
After eight years of his lies, hair-splitting (the definitions of "is" and sex) and obfuscations, I certainly don't want to READ any more of them.
|Couldn't have said it any better than these two!|
Originally Posted by katl8e
The book is already being marked down (40% to $21), at the local Kroger's. According to local Borders and Barnes & Nobles, NOBODY lined up, to buy it. Even the Ultra-liberal, feminist bookstore had only sold one of its ten copies, at newspaper press time.
Bill Clinton is not all that popular, in Arizona.
Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
When a book is a best seller...as this one is destined to be, it is always marked down at least 30% at the big chains, Barnes and Noble, Borders, we don't have a Kroger's here so I don't know their policy. A friend went to a signing here, but gave up, because there were over 2000 people there. I even like reading autobiographies and bios of people I don't care for, you learn a lot, and I love to figure out what makes someone tick.
Bill is very popular in NYC, some even want him to run for mayor...DUMP BLOOMBERG!