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post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hi there,

I know that cow's milk is bad for baby cats but how about rice milk? Or even soy milk? Would this do damage to the little tummy as cow's milk would?
post #2 of 32
I don't know the answer to that question. How old is your kitty? Kittens can tolerate cow's milk better than adult cats - most adult cats have a lactose intolerance so cow's milk gives them diarrhea.

Whiskas does manufacture "Cat Milk" which is lactose-free and available in the pet isle of most supermarkets and every pet store I've been in.
post #3 of 32
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Originally Posted by JakkieS
Hi there,

I know that cow's milk is bad for baby cats but how about rice milk? Or even soy milk? Would this do damage to the little tummy as cow's milk would?
Hi Jakkie,

Well you've stumped me a bit on this! From all the quick research I just did, my concerns would be - soy is not considered the best protein for cats, and in fact I personally do not like using foods that include soy protein isolate or other soy products. I did find an article on Cheetahs fed a diet that included soy, and resultant liver damage which ceased occuring after the soy was withdrawn.

Basically...I'd look at the label for your soy and rice milk...are their sweeteners in there (as there are in so many human products to make them more palatable to us!)...if so, I'd not want to be giving this to my kitten. No need

I really like Laurie's suggestion...Catsip is real low-fat milk with added taurine, and I believe due to an enzyme they've added, the milk sugar (lactose) is negated, so it can be given to cats without causing them the issues that go along with lactose intolerance (gas, diarrhea).

I would have to say this is one to ask your vet, or perhaps one of the board's member's who are vet techs will respond, I'm sorry I don't have a complete answer for you!
post #4 of 32
Im lactose intolerant myself so i drink lactaid, a lactose free fat free milk in the dairy case, I give a bit to my cats now n then my vet thought this would be ok
post #5 of 32
Dylan prefers lactaid to the Whiskas.

I had been giving him lactaid a last week in tiny portions as he is sick...and then came across the Whiskas. He didn't seem to like the taste of the Whiskas.

I think you will have much better luck with a kitten who hasn't yet developed the finicky tendencies of a senior cat.

At Petco they sell about 6 different varieties of milk meant specifically for cats or kittens...you should check out their website. (however, I am not sure if they will show all of the products online. They did have a good selection at the actual store though.) If anything, you can find out about what cat milk products are out there.

Milk Treats available at Petco
post #6 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I have found a line that made me happier, will of course keep searching for verification.

Bullwrinkle
post #7 of 32
Jakkie,

How old is this baby cat? The only milks that are OK for kittens older that 8 weeks are lactose reduced pet milks and even then they sometimes need diluting with water as some kittens develop diahorrea after drinking it. The other alternative is something called kitten glop. It's easy to make, inexpensive and yummy. The recipe is half-way down this page.

If the kitten is under 8 weeks, he should be having a kitten formula such as KMR or Just Born, even if he is weaned and you just want to supplement with some milk.
post #8 of 32
Thread Starter 
He is 8 weeks old and does drink water as well. The milk seems to be more of a comfort thing because he won't stop suckling until he has had some milk, he is a very determined little guy.

I have been giving him milk diluted about twice a day and the rest of the time he has to drink water. But I have noticed that he has a runny tummy from that. Dilution has been 1 tablespoon to 4 tablespoons of water. The problem came about because my older girl loves her milk in the evening and her tummy doesn't get upset by it and I completely forgot to put it somewhere he couldn't find it. It is almost like he is an addict who wants more even though it gives him the runs...
post #9 of 32
Jakkie, yes most kittens love any kind of milk and he won't associate the runs with the milk, he just knows he's got the runs. You should give him nothing but his normal food and water until the diahorrea is completely gone. After that, you can feed the Kitten Glop I mentioned earlier if you feel he'd like that. You've gotten some great advice about his suckling on your other thread.
post #10 of 32
We give some rice milk to our cats often (as well as other table "scraps"), and it's never hurt them. We also cook rice for them so they can have something yummy with fiber in it so they'd quit whining so much for food Rice is quite healthy for cats, and it's among the grains that cats can get the most % of nutrients out of. You just shouldn't be feeding a cat nothing but rice :P

Soy...bit more iffy. Some cats may be allergic, and soy in general isn't as digestible as rice for cats.
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Weatherlight
We give some rice milk to our cats often (as well as other table "scraps"), and it's never hurt them. We also cook rice for them so they can have something yummy with fiber in it so they'd quit whining so much for food Rice is quite healthy for cats, and it's among the grains that cats can get the most % of nutrients out of. You just shouldn't be feeding a cat nothing but rice :P

Soy...bit more iffy. Some cats may be allergic, and soy in general isn't as digestible as rice for cats.
Hi Weatherlight,

Until I get to a local store that carries rice milk, I'm gong to depend on you My concern with the rice milk was if sweeteners were added to this?

I know rice is benficial, and certainly I'll take it any day over corn or soy in my cat's foods (I've tried a few canned "with rice" with my guys with mixed success).
post #12 of 32
Thread Starter 
Ok, now a few days later the kitten doesn't have the runs anymore and he is very happy with the rice milk.

My only concern is that he doesn't want to eat dry food, he sniffs at it but that is as far is it goes. And he won't eat the kitten food anymore either. I am giving him "Bob Martins" as a supplement and I am hoping it will work coz he just loves the tuna and yankee clippers my other kitty is eating. I know that at almost nine weeks he still needs the extra goodies from the kitten food but he is definitely not interested. Is there a way to "trick" him into eating dry food?
post #13 of 32
You could try mixing a little of the dry food into the canned food and slowly increase the amount of dry over a few days. You can also try softening the dry food in some warm water and feeding him that. Another thing to try is warming his canned food in the microwave for 10 seconds and then stirring well, making sure there are no hot spots and that it isn't too hot. He may be filling up on the rice milk, leaving little room for his kitten food. Perhaps cut down on the rice milk so he becomes more interested in his kitten food.

I'm not sure what the Bob Martin things are but if they are designed as treats, it's best to only give him 1 or two a day.
post #14 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thanx for all the suggestions! Bob Martins is a vitamin supplement for cats that is available locally (SA).
post #15 of 32
Tania said it all so I won't say it again Your kitten def. needs kitten food as they are specially formulated with a higher protein content needed for healthy growth. I generally used kitten food for up to the 1st birthday.
post #16 of 32
Baie goed.
post #17 of 32
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Originally Posted by Kumbulu
Baie goed.
I speak cat, can read and still understand a bit of french, and picked up some spanish as a nurse,but I'm lost here!
post #18 of 32
lol Pat, it was Afrikaans as Jakkie is from South Africa. It means very good.
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by Kumbulu
lol Pat, it was Afrikaans as Jakkie is from South Africa. It means very good.
I had the "good" but was lost with the first word thank you!
post #20 of 32
You may want to top the kitten food with a little human baby food. Lamb, chix & turkey are favorites here.

Fern
post #21 of 32
Pat & Alix>>>I buy the original enriched Rice Dream, which has no added sweeteners. You can see ingredients here: http://www.imaginefoods.com/pages/pr...dream/rdoe.php I really like that they use organic rice; when I cook lentils and such for the cats, I always go for the organic. (When it comes to myself, sometimes I just get the pesticide-laden stuff because it's cheaper lol.)

JakkieS>>>I'd agree that canned is better, anyway, or moistening the kibble. It's healthier as well as more palatable. We give our kitties warmed wet food with a bit of kibble mixed in, and they love it all ^^
post #22 of 32
Thread Starter 


It is not often that I read Afrikaans on the net! Thanx for that Tania Are you Afrikaans by any chance?

The real problem is that my "old girl" eats at her tuna the whole day...she believes in taking meals slow... So as soon as I turn my back he nips into it. And having looked around now the selection of kitten food is abysmal. Even at my vet's office you can only find the dry food for kittens.
post #23 of 32
No, I'm an Aussie but spent 4 years in SA as a kid. Maar ek kan nie baie goed Afrikaans praat nie, even though my Afrikaans mark was higher than my English mark at the end of the four years! lol
post #24 of 32
Oh and about the kitten food, you can soak the dry food in warm water, drain all the water away and then mix the food in with some kitten glop until you have a nice mush. The recipe for kitten glop is here. Karo syrup is what you and I would call corn syrup. If you can't get that, you can substitute glucose syrup/liquid.
post #25 of 32
Thread Starter 
I married an English-speaking man and I have actually started losing some of my Afrikaans, my mom is not pleased about that...LOL

Thanx for the help, I have also spoken to my vet. He nearly had a heart attack when I told him about feeding the kitties tuna and other fish. He says that there is an ezyme in fish that breaks down vitamin B1 in cats and this can lead to some really bad things for kitties. So now it is lots of supplements and no more fish or only as a treat. My poor babies, if only I knew earlier, they would have been raised as dry food cats. Oh well, I will try and fix it from here on out.
post #26 of 32
I actually just read an article about feeding cats "people" tuna as opposed to the stuff specifically formulated for cats.

The stuff we eat doesn't have the added Taurine of the "Cat Food" variety. And the kind we eat is also highly saturated with Mercury and other things that can cause bunches of problems in cats if fed too frequently.

See link: Why not tuna?

Other than these problems, I have also read that it can cause heart problems.

All of this was terrible news to me, as Dylan used to like tuna too. But now only gets a pinch (of the tuna in water variety) if I am making something for myself with it--(because he still prefers people tuna to cat food tuna.)
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by sbbeatnik
I actually just read an article about feeding cats "people" tuna as opposed to the stuff specifically formulated for cats.

The stuff we eat doesn't have the added Taurine of the "Cat Food" variety. And the kind we eat is also highly saturated with Mercury and other things that can cause bunches of problems in cats if fed too frequently.

See link: Why not tuna?

Other than these problems, I have also read that it can cause heart problems.

All of this was terrible news to me, as Dylan used to like tuna too. But now only gets a pinch (of the tuna in water variety) if I am making something for myself with it--(because he still prefers people tuna to cat food tuna.)
I believe it's called steatitis (my spelling is atrocious so forgive me) this is what they can develop if fed a diet solely of tuna. There are a number of fish cat treats you can consider...Kitty Kaviar - which has taurine and is large thin flakes of bonito (a fish related to tuna), Dr. Harvey's Whisker Smackers - fish (freeze-dried chunks of fish), a brand called Grandma Lucy's freeze-dried fish, and WildSide Salmon - freeze-dried cubes of wild salmon - which per the manufacturer does not contain contaminents.

There are also lots of excellent cat foods that contain seafood and fish and not a lot of junk...believe it or not, a few of the Fancy Feast flavors (check label) are basicly fish and other seafoods, no additives, colorings etc., and look like the real thing when you open the can..skin and bones and all. Active Life also has excellent what you see is what you get foods such as shredded tuna, and as I recall Proplan has several excellent canned fish flavors that are outstanding for their lack of added grains, by-products etc.

So.........for a cat who loves fish, there really are lots of supplemented with taurine options out there.

hope this helps!
post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 
The supplement I am giving them at the moment has vitamin B1 and lots of other and I think it also contains taurine. As well Iams apparantly does have a fish flavour that isn't bad for them. As of tomorrow they will be eating ID, hopefully they like it coz it is a bit on the pricey side of things. But I want them to become old cats so I will just suck it up and look forward to having old kitties one day.
post #29 of 32
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix
There are also lots of excellent cat foods that contain seafood and fish and not a lot of junk...believe it or not, a few of the Fancy Feast flavors (check label) are basicly fish and other seafoods, no additives, colorings etc., and look like the real thing when you open the can..skin and bones and all.

So.........for a cat who loves fish, there really are lots of supplemented with taurine options out there.
Dylan eats the Fancy feast fish & loves it. It is great because it comes in several different textures (chunks, flakes or pate) I usually buy him the different types of things mixed with Tuna. So far the biggest hit with him has been the various types of Oceanwhitefish and tuna.

Good luck!
post #30 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hi all!

A while ago I posted a question in regards to rice milk for kittens. It is now a week or so later and I thought I would let everyone know how it's going.

Both the babies (old miss and kitten) are doing very well. His runny tummy is under control and she absolutely loves the rice milk. We have also taken them off the fishy diet and both are now on Iams and Fancy Feast. With the vitamin supplements there is lots of energy about. My baby girl (2 1/2) is actually ripping about the house and very playful. And the kitten is...well...kittenish...

I would recommend (spl?) rice milk as an alternative for the milk loving kitty, so far it has worked out a lot cheaper than the cat milk alternative. And they are both happy and finally starting to get along!
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