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post #1 of 27
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Company wished to list with us on Meowhoo. Overseas company specialty in furry rarebit mice for cats. Never having heard of rarebit before, I went on a research expedition and found that it is a breed of rabbit called welsh rabbit. They are raised on a breeding farm not trapped inhumanely by those nasty leg traps. But in order to not muss up the pelt, the rabbits are killed by electrocution. I will spare you the details as to how. Then the pelt is stripped and cleaned and made into "wonderful furry mice for cats." Please if you buy those furry mice be sure they are made in America or Canada. Those two places use faux-fur for the toys not real bunnies. (The company was denied a listing).
post #2 of 27
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I better not say anything

I don't buy any furry toys for my baby's , but this is just IMO .
post #3 of 27
I buy Fake Mice for the kid and the half kid...... But I will be more aware as to where and what they are made from. Poor Rabbits!!
post #4 of 27
OMG That's terrible!!!!!!! I should also point out tho' that Welsh Rarebit or Rabbit is also a Welsh delicacy that is basically cheese on toast (no rabbits) it is called this coz we were apparantly too stupid to catch rabbits and had to eat cheese instead. Are you sure they aren't just using the name???
post #5 of 27
I'm glad you looked into the company so carefully. I've never heard of such treatment of these rabbits to make the furry mice! Thanks for filling us in!
post #6 of 27
that is horrible!!! did they get on meawhoo b4 you checked?
post #7 of 27
Things like this make me so mad.

However I gotta say all those furry mice (or anything else that's sold with real looking fur on it) creep me out.
post #8 of 27
How terrible

I think it's awesome that you guys check so thoroughly (sp?) before allowing people to post their items on Meowhoo.

I have quite a few 'furry' mice at home for Dori. I kept buying different kinds to find one she would play with. I hate to think it's possible I could have supported something like that. I guess I just 'assumed' (which I guess is a bad word in itself) that all the furry toys were faux fur.
post #9 of 27
I have some furry mice for my cats but threw the packaging away. I will look from now on to see where they are made. They sure do feel like real fur. Ugh how awful.
post #10 of 27
Hmm. Jamie's toy mice are made of real rabbit fur (he shows no interest in fake fur). That did give me pause, but... We eat meat (from organic farms) occasionally, and have leather furniture and some leather shoes and gloves. Many animals (cattle, sheep, hogs) are slaughtered by electrocution, including the rabbits used in the commercial cat food he eats. So where do we draw the line? I've basically gone by the rule of "no meat or dairy products from factory farms, eggs from free-ranging hens, and no by-products from animals not raised for food".
post #11 of 27
Hmm thats really sick, but Jcats right. Theres a ton of products out there that come from or are in some way related to the inhumane killing of animals. That still doesn't make it right or undeserving of people's attention.
I think its good to spread the word though. If you can eventually get enough people to refuse buying that brand of mouse, it may force them to go out of business. We may not be able to stop all the killings out there, but one is better than none.

Peace,
Brandon
post #12 of 27
Thanks for the heads up. My cats love those furry mice. I will be more careful as to where they come from. I don't want to buy from a company that electrocutes bunnies (by sticking a wand up their , you know). They kill foxes the same way for fur coats.
post #13 of 27
All my cat toys are made of cloth. Never thought of getting them furry toys (they get enough fur from chasing furry creatures outdoors! )
I am sad and shocked though about the rabbits. Is there any animal in the world that hasn't been spared from our cruelty?
post #14 of 27
Probably some really deap sea creatures that we haven't even discovered yet.

Peace,
Brandon
post #15 of 27
Since we're on the subject of rabbits: They're a very popular pet here, and rabbit breeding is especially popular in this area. The local paper actually covers the competitions. Yesterday there was a long article on a prize-winning breeder who has been competing for 60 years. Do you know what the breeders do with their "rejects", surplus bunnies, etc.? They eat them! I find that so odd - how can you keep rabbits as pets, show them, and eat them, too? I was shocked when I first heard that, but it's obviously true, since it's a question our paper always asks the breeders.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by jcat
...- how can you keep rabbits as pets, show them, and eat them, too? I was shocked when I first heard that, but it's obviously true, since it's a question our paper always asks the breeders.
In one of my US visits I attended a county fair and they were showing their prized cattle. I talked to a boy perhaps around 14 who was taking care of this beautiful bull. He bred it since it was a calf. I asked him what's in store for the bull and he just shrugged and said it will probably be slaughtered for meat. Maybe that is the same attitude for the rabbit breeders.
post #17 of 27
Not all of those furry mice are made with rabbit. Many are made with dog and cat fur. My cats never get anything with real fur.

http://www.hsus.org/ace/12014
http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-24nov2000-vo.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3009537.stm
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s967844.htm

Fern
post #18 of 27
I don't support unnecessary suffering or death of anyone. There's no adequate excuse to do so.

There's this one person on another board who is pro-AR, but her mother raises chickens to kill and eat (among other animals). Someone else said the mother is sick, which made the original poster rather defensive. I do think that while it's more humane and honest of that person's mother than to buy a neatly packaged factory farmed animals' remains, it does take some extra sickness to be honest about it. That kind of callousness is learned, and I don't think it can be healthy.

BTW, the whole "raised by..." thing makes no sense to me. Was it less wrong to keep second generation African-American slaves (opposed to first generation) because they were bred and raised to be slaves?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Weatherlight
I don't support unnecessary suffering or death of anyone. There's no adequate excuse to do so.

There's this one person on another board who is pro-AR, but her mother raises chickens to kill and eat (among other animals). Someone else said the mother is sick, which made the original poster rather defensive. I do think that while it's more humane and honest of that person's mother than to buy a neatly packaged factory farmed animals' remains, it does take some extra sickness to be honest about it. That kind of callousness is learned, and I don't think it can be healthy.

BTW, the whole "raised by..." thing makes no sense to me. Was it less wrong to keep second generation African-American slaves (opposed to first generation) because they were bred and raised to be slaves?
It's probably a matter of where you're raised. I'm a city girl, but spent quite a bit of time as a kid on a farm my grandfather co-owned with his sister. When we visited, she often caught, decapitated, and plucked a chicken right in front of our eyes. I couldn't eat it, but in retrospect realize that those chickens had much better lives than the ones that spend all their lives trapped in cages the size of a normal sheet of paper, and then hung upside down in order to be transported along an assembly line where a revolving blade cuts off their heads. Weatherlight, since this is a site where owners of carnivores participate, I think it would be advisable to stop trying to convert people to veganism - you're going to encounter too much opposition, because many of us have realized that we have to make different decisions regarding our own diets and those of our furbabies.
post #20 of 27
I don't really see why it would be advisable to stop voicing my thoughts, but anyway Yes, the more "evil" person is often the one doing more good. The Styrofoam just hides the greater pain that the consumer paid for; out of sight, out of mind... Some people truly don't care, rather than being in denial, and those are the ones I think are less healthy.

Although, broilers are typically raised in sheds by the thousands; the layers are the ones who live in batteries.
post #21 of 27
Weatherlight-
I don't think it's so much you should quit voicing your opinion, we would like to hear from you. But if you could stay on topic a little and quit turning everything into a huge debate. It gets frustrating that every topic gets turned into a vegan/non-vegan debate.
post #22 of 27
Oi, I wouldn't blame that all on me Actually, it can annoy me as well, but I guess when a veg makes a comment relating to the topic, someone else has to comment on that, and then I have to comment back, and soon it's way off on a tangent :P
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Weatherlight
Although, broilers are typically raised in sheds by the thousands; the layers are the ones who live in batteries.
I was going by the situation here in the EU. Nowadays eggs have to be marked as coming from batteries, chickens kept in sheds, or free-ranging chickens. There's a lot of fraud, though. Some of the documentaries I've seen show the "layers" being slaughtered for meat, so perhaps the distinction between "layer" and "broiler" isn't as clear here.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Weatherlight
I don't really see why it would be advisable to stop voicing my thoughts, but anyway Yes, the more "evil" person is often the one doing more good. The Styrofoam just hides the greater pain that the consumer paid for; out of sight, out of mind... Some people truly don't care, rather than being in denial, and those are the ones I think are less healthy.

Although, broilers are typically raised in sheds by the thousands; the layers are the ones who live in batteries.
No, you shouldn't stop voicing your thoughts, but I doubt very much that you'll convert anybody here to vegan cat food, and you run the risk of alienating potential vegetarians/vegans by harping on the subject. Human eating habits are an entirely different matter. You might have better luck emphasizing the advantages of ovo-lacto vegetarianism for humans first, though. Proper vegan diets are difficult to adhere to, especially for people who are overstressed with work and family obligations. If you can first convince people to become vegetarians, then they might be more open to veganism. In other words, a little bit of diplomacy is more convincing than spouting hard-line ideals.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by jcat
Hmm. Jamie's toy mice are made of real rabbit fur (he shows no interest in fake fur). That did give me pause, but... We eat meat (from organic farms) occasionally, and have leather furniture and some leather shoes and gloves. Many animals (cattle, sheep, hogs) are slaughtered by electrocution, including the rabbits used in the commercial cat food he eats. So where do we draw the line? I've basically gone by the rule of "no meat or dairy products from factory farms, eggs from free-ranging hens, and no by-products from animals not raised for food".
i agree. if my cat eats it she can play with it or its by-products. i always assumed that the rabbit fur came from food by-products but i see that was rather naive of me
post #26 of 27
My cats love playing with the fur mousies-I really never looked to see where they came from (I thought China). It's pretty sick that there is a company out there that does this. Anything for a buck.
On the topic of rabbits, chickens etc....... When I was growing up we always had a rabbit hutch-in the summers my sister and I feed them, tried to pet them but come winter-they ended up on the kitchen table. I always had my mom make me hot dogs (probably not a good choice either!) as I couldn't eat them. Dad always raised chickens and turkeys up to about 8-9 yrs ago when they moved and when I came to visit we always had fresh chicken on the grill. As I was raised this way I never had and still don't have a problem with this-I know how they chickens/turkeys were raised and fed. They were never "pets". As for the county fair animals-my nephew is the only one left in 4H. Selling his pig or cow is always a source of pride and raising these animals taught them alot of responsibility over the years. The money earned selling was and is banked for college education. That is the way many of my nieces and nephews paid for their education. So what I'm saying is we make our own choices and I'm not going to have anyone influence me in these decisions.
post #27 of 27
booo hiss booo!!!! Poor bunnies!!!!
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