I just logged on today. I couldn't even read all the messages - it was so long. I work in Manhattan, but I just happened to call in sick yesterday! Our office is not near the downtown area, so it's pretty quiet here today. I do know of a lot of people that were in the area, but all are OK. Everyone here is just in shock. The whole downtown area is closed indefinitely - it looks there was a nuclear war down there! I just hope this is the end of it. Everyone is very frightened about being anywhere near the city. Our office is in Times Square, which many were afraid would be a target. It's nice to see all the concern from our friends overseas. God bless you all.
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(2001 Thread) Plane just crashed into the world trade center
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Nothing does justify celebrating this. There are unfortunately a great number of misguided people in the world. The fact that the networks show a perticular group in a particular place does not meant that others are not doing the exact same thing in other places around the work as well, or are thinking it if they are in a place where such celebration would be frowned upon.
I just worry when people (not anyone particular here, but on the news, etc.) want to declare war on some country in response to this.
On a related note, I just heard that some of the suspects (repeat *suspects*) may have gotten into the US through the Canadian border. I am sick and scared about that... hopefully nobody wants to wage war on Canada in response to these reports.
Julie
I just worry when people (not anyone particular here, but on the news, etc.) want to declare war on some country in response to this.
On a related note, I just heard that some of the suspects (repeat *suspects*) may have gotten into the US through the Canadian border. I am sick and scared about that... hopefully nobody wants to wage war on Canada in response to these reports.
Julie
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I think they are going to be very careful before they wage war on anyone. I really don't think Canada is on thier list.It could very well be that the terrorists came into the country another way as well. There will be so many wild rumors before all this is over, and there are certain people that are now spouting off that Bush's administration did this to tap into Social Security! Talk about ludicrous! I guess there will be all sorts of conspiracy theories until this is fully solved, if it ever is.
Perhaps this is quite selfish of me to bring up at this time, but what worries me the most right now are the ramifications that are going to come about from this whole stupid act!!! What I mean is, if America does find out who it is and, inevitably, we go to war... I just worry so much that the government will draft... and I don't want them to take my husband!!!
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But because of the ramifications of declaring war on anyone, I would hope that the military and the government tread carefully on this one. With the capabilities of todays army, the draft would only be initiated if the war when long term, and face it, the war today would be robotic and technological wouldn't it? Found this on another board and it still stirs me to read the lyrics:
If tomorrow all the things were gone I'd worked for all my life
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife
I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today
'Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can't take that away
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.
From the lakes of Minnesota to the hills of Tennessee
Across the plains of Texas from sea to shining sea
From Detroit down to Houston and New York to L.A.
There's pride in every American heart and it's time we stand and say
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.
If tomorrow all the things were gone I'd worked for all my life
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife
I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today
'Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can't take that away
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.
From the lakes of Minnesota to the hills of Tennessee
Across the plains of Texas from sea to shining sea
From Detroit down to Houston and New York to L.A.
There's pride in every American heart and it's time we stand and say
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A.
Bubbas Mom:
Did anyone show that to the FBI?
I read that and it gave me shivers down my spine! that forum link NEEDS to go to someone that can trace that email and pay a visit to that guy(if he is still alive...)
aranoid2 aranoid3
Did anyone show that to the FBI?
I read that and it gave me shivers down my spine! that forum link NEEDS to go to someone that can trace that email and pay a visit to that guy(if he is still alive...)
aranoid2 aranoid3
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If you read the entire thread you will see where several people have reported the guy to the FBI. Right now, the FBI website is getting so many hits that getting on it is virtually impossible at the moment
Hello dear friends...
I would just like to say that I may or may not be checking in too often in the next few days.
My husband Rich, works 2 blocks away from the WTC, saw everything, and went through a morning of shear terror. He saw the towers collapse, He had to hunker down in a smoke filled building, try to find a way home, (no trains, or access off manhattan island....he walked home over a bridge)
He is traumatized, in shock. So am I.... I am not myself. I had him go to a therapist this morning, but he is not handling this at all well. Neither am I....
I am in a wierd mood, so just because I am not checking in does not mean I have left... we just need time to recover a bit.
We almost considered not taking Danielle quite yet...she is due tomorrow (Thursday), ..but we decided we NEED some joy in our home, a little loving creature to try to take our minds off the horror of this experience. Hopefully she will help us heal.
I am terribly worried about my husband, and I am not coping too well myself.
I have become very fond of all of you, and I am still around. I just wanted to let you know that I have not left, just may be scarce for a few days......
For those of you not in NY... you may be interested to know that the lower end of Manhattan is closed indefinately, they say it will take weeks to clean up. We are on high alert. My friend saw TANKS outside her window. There are still jets in the air. Battle ships are anchored out in our harbor. Loss of life was HUGE. I know several friends who have lost family or friends.
On the postitive side, New Yorkers take a bum rap when it comes to behavior. Well, here, New Yorkers have come toghether to help....an amazing rally of love and prayer and support. New YOrkers are good, decent people, willing to help in a crisis. There is comfort in that.
Love to all
I would just like to say that I may or may not be checking in too often in the next few days.
My husband Rich, works 2 blocks away from the WTC, saw everything, and went through a morning of shear terror. He saw the towers collapse, He had to hunker down in a smoke filled building, try to find a way home, (no trains, or access off manhattan island....he walked home over a bridge)
He is traumatized, in shock. So am I.... I am not myself. I had him go to a therapist this morning, but he is not handling this at all well. Neither am I....
I am in a wierd mood, so just because I am not checking in does not mean I have left... we just need time to recover a bit.
We almost considered not taking Danielle quite yet...she is due tomorrow (Thursday), ..but we decided we NEED some joy in our home, a little loving creature to try to take our minds off the horror of this experience. Hopefully she will help us heal.
I am terribly worried about my husband, and I am not coping too well myself.
I have become very fond of all of you, and I am still around. I just wanted to let you know that I have not left, just may be scarce for a few days......
For those of you not in NY... you may be interested to know that the lower end of Manhattan is closed indefinately, they say it will take weeks to clean up. We are on high alert. My friend saw TANKS outside her window. There are still jets in the air. Battle ships are anchored out in our harbor. Loss of life was HUGE. I know several friends who have lost family or friends.
On the postitive side, New Yorkers take a bum rap when it comes to behavior. Well, here, New Yorkers have come toghether to help....an amazing rally of love and prayer and support. New YOrkers are good, decent people, willing to help in a crisis. There is comfort in that.
Love to all
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Your husband is going through Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and taking him to therapy is a good start. If you can call your family doctor and explain what he underwent, there will more than likely be a visit to that doctor and some chemical "help" as well. Not one of us can imagine the terror he must of felt when he was trapped in the nightmare of yesterday. Is he having problems with his vision? There was a lot of talk about tiny abrasions on the eyes of the people in the street and of course the nightmares. Please let us know if we can do anything at all, because most of us feel so damn helpless and want to help.
Hugs Val ((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))) from my house to yours
Hugs Val ((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))) from my house to yours
Hissy thank you dear...
No, his eyes are fine. His clothes were coverd in soot, which he threw out, cause there was asbetos in the WTC. But he feels physically fine. It is his mental state I am worried about.
Thank you so much for your offers of help, and thank you so much for the offers of kindness and love from the people on this board who are in another country.
No, his eyes are fine. His clothes were coverd in soot, which he threw out, cause there was asbetos in the WTC. But he feels physically fine. It is his mental state I am worried about.
Thank you so much for your offers of help, and thank you so much for the offers of kindness and love from the people on this board who are in another country.
Val,
I am so thankful that you and your husband are ok. I know some people in the NY area and I was worried sick untilI heard from that they were safe and well. I am sorry that your husband was affected by what can only be called sheer lunacy and pray that he recovers mentally and that the scars he gains from this tragedy are few.
I am praying for all the people in NY and Washington andI hope they find out who is responsible for this and bring them to justice swiftly.
Stay safe and well
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I am so thankful that you and your husband are ok. I know some people in the NY area and I was worried sick untilI heard from that they were safe and well. I am sorry that your husband was affected by what can only be called sheer lunacy and pray that he recovers mentally and that the scars he gains from this tragedy are few.
I am praying for all the people in NY and Washington andI hope they find out who is responsible for this and bring them to justice swiftly.
Stay safe and well
Thank you Barb
vjoy, I am a doctor of clinical psychology. My area of expertise is trauma survivors....I have worked with people who have survived horrendous traumas, so I think I am familiar with what your husband is going through.
As Hissy said, your husband is experiencing symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress. He will likely have pictures/memories/thoughts of what he saw and experienced running through his mind for days. He will find it difficult to concentrate and is likely to have nightmares or to have trouble falling asleep. Every little sound or sight will remind him of the event and he will likely have lots of panic attacks whenever there are loud noises or whenever he sees or hears something that reminds him of yesterday.
Also...he is likely to feel numb...like a zombee. He will probably shut down his feelings as an attempt to not feel the terror of yesterday. He may also dissociate...where he feels as if he is in a dream or watching the world through a window. Sometimes, people who have experienced horrors like this turn to drugs or booze or begin to abuse psychiatric medications...so, encourage him NOT to use beer to feel better and not to turn to other drugs to take the emotional pain away.
Finally, he is likely to become really irritable and depressed and to be on guard constantly for a while.
It is important to know that these are NORMAL reactions to a horrific event! Almost everyone there yesterday will be having these same experiences. Assure him that he is not going crazy and is not going to loose it....this is normal.
So...what do you do to help him? Talk, talk, talk. It turns out that the best treatment is to talk in gory detail about what he experienced. Also...research shows that if the person sits down and writes, writes, writes about the experience it will help tremendously as well. The more he writes the better he will be. Make sure he includes his feelings and thoughts during the disaster and his feelings and thoughts now while he is writing. The more detail he is able to include, the more effective it will be.
Also...continue to encourage him to talk to a professional....it would probably be good for you to talk to someone as well. You will likely experience what we call secondary traumatization as you think about and hear what your husband went through.
If you have any questions feel free to PM me or e-mail me. I want to help!
As Hissy said, your husband is experiencing symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress. He will likely have pictures/memories/thoughts of what he saw and experienced running through his mind for days. He will find it difficult to concentrate and is likely to have nightmares or to have trouble falling asleep. Every little sound or sight will remind him of the event and he will likely have lots of panic attacks whenever there are loud noises or whenever he sees or hears something that reminds him of yesterday.
Also...he is likely to feel numb...like a zombee. He will probably shut down his feelings as an attempt to not feel the terror of yesterday. He may also dissociate...where he feels as if he is in a dream or watching the world through a window. Sometimes, people who have experienced horrors like this turn to drugs or booze or begin to abuse psychiatric medications...so, encourage him NOT to use beer to feel better and not to turn to other drugs to take the emotional pain away.
Finally, he is likely to become really irritable and depressed and to be on guard constantly for a while.
It is important to know that these are NORMAL reactions to a horrific event! Almost everyone there yesterday will be having these same experiences. Assure him that he is not going crazy and is not going to loose it....this is normal.
So...what do you do to help him? Talk, talk, talk. It turns out that the best treatment is to talk in gory detail about what he experienced. Also...research shows that if the person sits down and writes, writes, writes about the experience it will help tremendously as well. The more he writes the better he will be. Make sure he includes his feelings and thoughts during the disaster and his feelings and thoughts now while he is writing. The more detail he is able to include, the more effective it will be.
Also...continue to encourage him to talk to a professional....it would probably be good for you to talk to someone as well. You will likely experience what we call secondary traumatization as you think about and hear what your husband went through.
If you have any questions feel free to PM me or e-mail me. I want to help!
Vjoy - no words we can offer can fully comfort you and your husband at this time - but know that we are thinking about you and praying for you.
Please take care of yourselves - take as much time as you need!
In my thoughts...
Deb M
Please take care of yourselves - take as much time as you need!
In my thoughts...
Deb M
When I went back to check the thread it was no longer there...just some replies to it, so I assume the FBI took it off the internet. Apparently it was reported a number of times. I read it at about 2am this morning and it was gone by 10.
Debra and Lotsocats
Thank you so much.
We are so stresed here. In Manhattan, there is a domino effect going on....buildings are still collapsing. It is closing in on my husbands work. The building across the street from him just went down. He may not have a place to work. We just bought our dream home two months ago, and if he can't find work in NYC, then we will have to move to God knows where, and I can't drive..... I am loosing it....
My husband did see a professional this morning, and he has been talking about it a lot. But we are both still in shock.
Thank you again.
Thank you so much.
We are so stresed here. In Manhattan, there is a domino effect going on....buildings are still collapsing. It is closing in on my husbands work. The building across the street from him just went down. He may not have a place to work. We just bought our dream home two months ago, and if he can't find work in NYC, then we will have to move to God knows where, and I can't drive..... I am loosing it....
My husband did see a professional this morning, and he has been talking about it a lot. But we are both still in shock.
Thank you again.
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Just got this in my email:
Light a Candle for Unity!
Though terrorists may have struck out at us as Americans, let us come together and show our unity.
Let us show that though our arm may have been hurt, they can not dim the heart of America which rages bright.
On Thursday September 13, 2001 at 10:30 pm EST, walk out your door and light a candle or lantern to show the world that our spirit burns bright. Gather with loved ones or gather with neighbors but let our light burn in the night to show that we are united and that we remain strong.
Please pass this on to anyone you know..print it up and pass it to neighbors who may not have internet access, post it to message boards, clubs, news stations, anywhere and everywhere there is a PROUD American!
Light a Candle for Unity!
Though terrorists may have struck out at us as Americans, let us come together and show our unity.
Let us show that though our arm may have been hurt, they can not dim the heart of America which rages bright.
On Thursday September 13, 2001 at 10:30 pm EST, walk out your door and light a candle or lantern to show the world that our spirit burns bright. Gather with loved ones or gather with neighbors but let our light burn in the night to show that we are united and that we remain strong.
Please pass this on to anyone you know..print it up and pass it to neighbors who may not have internet access, post it to message boards, clubs, news stations, anywhere and everywhere there is a PROUD American!
This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing, but not meant to cause
animosity towards other countries.
America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,
it was the Americans who propped it up, and their
reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets
of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that
is gloating over the erosion of the United States
dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country
in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find
men on the moon -! not once, but several times -
and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India
were breaking down through age, it was the Americans
who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
me even one time when someone else raced to the
Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."
Stand proud, America!
animosity towards other countries.
America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,
it was the Americans who propped it up, and their
reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets
of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that
is gloating over the erosion of the United States
dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country
in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find
men on the moon -! not once, but several times -
and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India
were breaking down through age, it was the Americans
who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
me even one time when someone else raced to the
Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."
Stand proud, America!
I can not believe this is happening to us. I never in my worst nightmares thougt this could happen. This is the worst tragedy I've ever seen, up until then it was Oklahoma, I just can't beleive it. Those poor people, most of them didn't even have a chance to get out. I pray for the victims and their families and those that are working on the rescue units, they have lost many of their own and are searching for them also. It is a day none will ever forget.
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It snowed in New York City
But the sky was bright and clear.
There was a quake that shook the Nation
One the whole world could hear.
From the Pentagon to Pennsylvania
to where our eastern border ends
There amidst the rubble
Lay our family and friends.
Our freedom has been comprimised
Our children now live in fear
Even though we've been told since Pearl Harbor
that it could never happen here.
This enemy we call terrorist
Tonight, we say to you...
We will offer our prayers, our blood, our lives
to help each other see this through.
We will stand together as a nation
based on democracy
We will pray for those who have given their lives
so that our country will always be free.
It snowed in New York City
in some way, affecting us all
as it covered our streets with a layer of ash
It gave us a wake up call.
Don't lower your head unless it's to pray
Don't fly your flags half mast
Let's show these faceless cowards
that we intend to kick some ass.
Through it all, we stand together
and when the day is done
Our faith will be stronger than ever
God bless us everyone
Tena Bastian
[email protected]
copyright 2001
But the sky was bright and clear.
There was a quake that shook the Nation
One the whole world could hear.
From the Pentagon to Pennsylvania
to where our eastern border ends
There amidst the rubble
Lay our family and friends.
Our freedom has been comprimised
Our children now live in fear
Even though we've been told since Pearl Harbor
that it could never happen here.
This enemy we call terrorist
Tonight, we say to you...
We will offer our prayers, our blood, our lives
to help each other see this through.
We will stand together as a nation
based on democracy
We will pray for those who have given their lives
so that our country will always be free.
It snowed in New York City
in some way, affecting us all
as it covered our streets with a layer of ash
It gave us a wake up call.
Don't lower your head unless it's to pray
Don't fly your flags half mast
Let's show these faceless cowards
that we intend to kick some ass.
Through it all, we stand together
and when the day is done
Our faith will be stronger than ever
God bless us everyone
Tena Bastian
[email protected]
copyright 2001
