another kitten question...urgent!

A cat friend of mine told me i could give the baby 50/50 cows milk and water temporarily if she doesnt eat...is this true and how many ml do i give her at one time?
also I do have litter in there with her but do i need to stimulate her to go...or will she do this herself?
Thanx Lorien

oops forgot to remind you...vet said she is about 4 weeks old...

I know that for newborn kittens they are NOT to receive cows milk but K.M.R., Nurtuall..which is a formula.

Please go to this site and then go click on "caring for newborns" it has lots of very important information:

http://www.safehavenforcats.com/

Katie

I was just going to give her some tonite until i got to the store tommorow to make the kitten glop...she still hasnt ate and im worried

Please read what Jeri suggests...obviously she has been doing this a while and I would heed her warning against the use of cowsmilk:

Newborn kittens do not drink cows milk. There are several formulas available at pet stores, ie: K.M.R., Nurtuall. I prefer the powdered form but this is really a matter of preference. The formula is given at body temp, never cold, through a nursing bottle. This is also available at pet stores. To place it in the kittens mouth simply open her/his mouth and stick the bottle in. You may have to give it a little squeeze to start the milk flowing. Do not hold the kitten as you would a newborn baby. They must be placed prone on your lap and fed exactly in that position. The kitten should naturally suckle. PLEASE BE SURE THEY ARE IN A PRONE POSITION, IF NOT, YOU TAKE A BIG CHANCE OF PUTTING FORMULA DIRECTLY INTO THEIR LUNGS.

At age 4 weeks weight should be approx. 13 ounces. Give 104 cc of milk replacer spread out over 3 feedings.

http://www.safehavenforcats.com/

Hey Himmy...she does post a fomula later on that you can make using items from the local 7-11:

One 12 ounce can of Evaporated Skim cows milk, One 4 ounce can evaporated whole cows milk, one 4 ounce container of plain yogurt and three egg yolks. Mix well and strain. I always give it to them warm - let them think it's coming right from Mom...what do they know???? They're happy, I'm happy and it's usually a nice ending.

So if you can get your hands on these ingredients...I would try this.

I hope this has been helpful...I always rely on experts for my information and Jeri has been doing this for YEARS.

Katie

Feeding cow's milk or any raw whole milk can cause serious problems such as diarrhea, intestinal gastric imbalances and other problems.

You could try the kitten glop recipe by TNR1. Here is a webpage for other kitten glop recipes.
http://www.hdw-inc.com/glop.htm

REASONS FOR USING KITTEN GLOP FORMULAS
There are many times when it can be handy to have these recipes available to help you in caring for your felines. The most obvious time is when you have very young kittens that need to be fed, and either you can't get the commercial Kitten Milk Replacer formulas in your area; the stores are closed; or the kittens don't like it and won't eat it. (This happened to me, by the way, when I had one of my queens develop mastitis when her kittens were 12 days old -- the kittens really resisted taking a bottle at that age!!) Nursing/lactating queens need a tremendous amount of nutrition, and these glop formulas provide calcium, liquid, electrolytes and will often entice even a nervous queen to take a few minutes away from her babies to EAT!! And, sometimes older cats have gum or tooth problems, or simply aren't as strong as they used to be, and this glop type of food can be very successful with them, also. We felt it was important to have several different variations of the concoction that breeders fondly refer to as GLOP FORMULAS here in our website for easy reference, printing, and using. We thank all the contributors for their knowledge and for sharing their successful recipes with us.


ALTABELLA CATTERY'S KITTEN GLOP
INGREDIENTS:
1 lg. can evaporated milk (not Milnot)
2 tbsp. plain yogurt (not diet)
2 tbsp. mayonnaise (real)
1 tbs. Karo Syrup (light)
1 pkg. Knox gelatin
1 egg yolk (beaten)
1 cup of liquid unflavored Pedialyte

INSTRUCTIONS:
Mix milk, yogurt, mayonnaise and syrup together well.
Bring 1 cup water to boil and mix in Knox gelatin; set aside.
Mix egg yolk with small amount of milk mixture and beat well.
Add gelatin and water to milk mixture and beat well. Add in egg yolk mixture and beat well.
Pour into a freezer safe bowl or similar type of bowl with a cover and set in refrigerator.
We usually use Ice Cube Trays for our glop pudding. Pudding will last for two weeks covered in refrigerator.
Always warm pudding to room temperature (milk form) before feeding.
It is very rich in calcium, this pudding can be used as a supplement for kittens, sick cats and show cats to put on weight. Several Veterinarians have approved this recipe as being balanced and nutritious.




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FRANNY SYUFY'S ABOUT.COM GLOP RECIPE
Popularly known as "Kitty Glop" among breeders, this recipe is packed with nutrition for orphaned kittens, nursing mother cats and their babies, cats recuperating from illness and older cats who need nutritional supplementing. Some recipes call for canned goats milk; if you have it readily available it's fine, otherwise canned evaporated cows' milk works well.¹ The recipe sets up to a gelatin-like consistency in the refrigerator, and can be stored there for up to two weeks. It can also be frozen in an ice tray for convenience in serving. To serve, warm to room temperature. Do not pour back unused portions into the mix.

12 oz. of water
1 envelope Knox Gelatin
1 12oz can of whole evaporated milk (not skim)
2 tablespoons mayonnaise
2 tablespoons plain yogurt, not nonfat

Boil the water, add the gelatin - stir well. Add the following ingredients in order, mixing well after each addition: 1/2 of the canned milk, mayonnaise and yogurt; the rest of the milk. Variations include the addition of kitty vitamins, acidophilus, and/or pureed baby food meat such as lamb, chicken, or beef. Franny adds: "I have seen variations with two egg yolks added, but I would caution against this, due to the risk of salmonella with raw eggs. For very easy mixing, you can use a blender at low speed, but I also like a bowl with a wire whisk."

¹ Many older cats have difficulty digesting cows' milk. The acidophilus may help with this, but you might want to try mixing a very small amount to test on your older kitty first.




DEBBIE ARSICH'S BELLBOOKNBENGAL GLOP RECIPE
Pedialyte: 10-12 ounces
Goat's Milk: 12 ounce can
Knox gelatin: 1 package
Mayonnaise (the real stuff): 2 Tablespoons
Plain, Live Culture Yogurt: 2 Tablespoons
Karo Syrup: 1 teaspoon
Baby Meat (I use Beechnut turkey or veal): 2 jars

Boil the Pedialyte, add gelatin and dissolve. Add other ingredients; stir till well mixed. The mayonnaise will clump and rise to the top, so this will be lumpy.

Debbie says, "This recipe was given to me by my sister-in-law Denise Gross in Kentucky and it has been around for quite awhile. Many breeders are very grateful to the unknown originator of this recipe as it has proven invaluable to us time and time again!! This recipe makes a lot of formula, so I freeze it in pint containers. Then I can defrost in the microwave, use it for 2 or 3 feedings, then throw away the rest. I also found that if a kitten is real lethargic and unwilling to eat, you can mix a little syrup with Pedialyte and give it that to start with. It perks them up, then give the formula. The syrup and electrolytes will give them a boost, but not stay with them long. The yogurt is a real treat for the other cats. They really love it. I think the company is 'Mountain High' or something like that, and they only seem to sell it in the bigger containers. You could freeze it too, but you don't want to freeze it again as glop."

"It only takes a few minutes to cook, but lock the cats up when you start to cook this. Otherwise they will be all over you!!! It is very easy to transfer the kittens to eating on their own with this recipe, as they are used to the taste. I just start adding kitten food to it and showing them how to lap it up. Then decrease the glop a little at a time. It usually takes just about a week to completely wean the kittens, using this glop recipe."






PETPROSPECTS.COM KITTEN GLOP RECIPE
Kitten Glop is a suitable feed mixture for healthy kittens and is also good for lactating queens. Most recipes refer to American brand names which are not understood outside of the USA/Canada. We have converted these to generic terms and noted alternatives.

INGREDIENTS:
* 1 envelope unflavored gelatin
* water per gelatin package directions (approx 12 oz)
* 1 12 oz can whole evaporated milk (not skimmed) See notes
* 3 tablespoons plain yogurt (not low fat)
* 3 teaspoons clear corn syrup See notes
* 3 tablespoons mayonnaise
* 1 or 2 raw egg yolks (optional) See notes

NOTES:
If you have canned goat's milk available, use this instead as it reduces the likelihood of lactose intolerance problems. Sheep's milk is even higher in fat but not generally available in cans. Some recipes use 2 tablespoons mayonnaise, 2 tablespoons plain yogurt and omit the corn syrup entirely. Clear corn syrup (e.g. "Karo" brand in the US) is a concentrated glucose solution. It contains 15% - 20% dextrose (glucose), a mixture of other types of sugar and may be flavored with vanilla. Dark corn syrup is made with molasses and is more strongly flavored. Raw eggs can be a source of salmonella. Do not use any egg white in the mixture, it can prevent other nutrients from being digested. Kitty vitamins and/or acidophilus are sometimes added. Only add vitamins if the diet is deficient in them - vitamins can be dangerous in too high quantities (hyper-vitaminosis) and vitamin imbalances affect development.

METHOD:
Boil the water and mix in gelatin powder. Add the other ingredients in the following order, mixing well after each addition: half of the canned milk, corn syrup (if used), mayonnaise + yogurt, egg yolk (if used), remainder of the canned milk. Use either an egg beater or a blender set to low speed. Serve the glop at room temperature or slightly warmed since the kittens will be used to warm milk. Warming the mixture makes it more pungent and therefore more appetizing. Do not pour back unused portions into the stored mix as it may introduce contaminants. Glop sets into a jelly when refrigerated. It can either be stored in the fridge in a covered container for up to 2 weeks or frozen into individual portions in ice cube trays and defrosted as needed. Freezing it is very convenient, but it must be properly thawed before serving as cold food will cause stomach upsets in young kittens.






DR. BOBBY GLENN, DVM & STEPHANIE MOORE'S KITTEN FORMULA RECIPE
Stephanie tells us that Dr. Glenn has been working very hard helping her and others in cat rescue for over 10 years, and he has used and recommended this formula for over 25 years!!

INGREDIENTS:
* 12 oz can evaporated milk
* 1/2 cup water
* 1 egg yolk
* 1 tsp kayro syrup
* 1-2 drops of vitamin

* Pedialyte formula (from World Health Organization)...no preservatives so short life-span
* 1 cup water
* 2 tsp sugar
* 1/8 tsp salt
* 1/8 tsp baking soda
* (this Pedialyte formula gives needed electrolytes & some sugar for energy)

Combine all ingredients and warm slightly.

LOL i had just printed out those kitten glop recipies before i read your post
I also printed hissys
I will let you all know how she does...sorry if i seem nieve ...but i have never done this before...
I so appreciate everyones help
Lorien

poor little thing still doesnt have a name..
so far ive got
ebony
Lila...it means night
pixie
and pheobe

Just a few extra things you might like to consider.......

if you do not have all the ingredients for the "glop" recipes given,you can use goats milk (from the supermarket) in an emergency. Personally I use Kitten Milk Replacement from the vet.......guaranteed all nutrients included, in one scoop of powder!

If she still hasn't taken anything it is vital that she get some fluid straight away _ just allow some boiled water to cool to finger warm,and gently give her that.
It is very, very important that you do not flood her!.......fluid should not come out of her nose.Use a syringe (needle free!)to give a drop at a time until she will suck on it. Or an eye dropper

This baby is probably not needing to be stimulated to urinate or defecate now, but will need to be shown how and where to go.Next time you feed, or if you see her starting to look as though she is about to pee, stand her in the litter,gentlyholdher frontpaw and make a couple of scratching movements in the litter, then with a piece of tissue, gently stroke between her back legs under tummy area.This will stimulate the need to go.
A couple of times and she should get the message.

she should be able to mix feed now. Get some A/D from the vet.........it mashes very thin and smooth......and wipe a little on her paws and on her mouth. She should wash, and from there it is an easy step to washing it off a saucer!!Don't give up on milk feeds until she is at least 8 weeks.

Remember, you have become Mum.Have you ever watched how often a mother cats washes andstimulates her babies? The constant reassurance and stimulation is vital to their development. Kittens that are just fed and put back in the box do not thrive as well as well as those whose foster mums pick them up, coo, make purring noises,stroke and play! do some gentle washand brush up .........a barely dampened flannel stroked all over the coat, works best, followed by dry paper towelling (soaks damp better than towelling.

Feel free to message me if you need any more advice.

Lil
(proud handrearer of 67 kittens.............so far!)

Thanx LIL
She is eating the glop really well out of a syringe and today i got her to lap it out of a jar lid twice!! Of course i am still doing the regular feedings with the syringe. Hissy told me this awesome idea about making a pouch to carry her around with me so she doesnt get lonely...she loves that I did have to help her go the bathroom because she wasnt going on her own...i beleive she was constipated <she finally went poo>...but today she went pee twice in the litter...Im still going to help her for awhile though just to make sure
My one neutered male Bob is mothering her but my persian Nico who is als neutered is being a butt...he starts out cleaning her and grabs her and kicks at her and bites her...so i am keeping her up when i cannot be with her.
Fortuneatly I do not work so i can be with her alot hissy has helped me out alot and i really appreciate all the info you gave me also

I am just glad she is doing and going okay. The pouch is nice because the kitten can stay with you, be close to your heart and bond to you and learn your scent.

Yes pouches are brilliant with singletons..............though I have had some very peculiar looks in supermarkets when babies have decided to wake-up! Usually they have become so active at 4 weeks that its been a 'home only' choice,for me.
So glad all is going well and she can lap a little on her own.Constipation is often a problem for babies moved on to formula,initially, but this should settle once her system is usedto it. The key is not to be tempted into giving it a little stronger to fatten her up.
You are doing a great job!

Just a small thought.........it might be worth contacting local rescues, explaining your situation, and offering to take a healthyhandrear of similar age, from them. Great for your baby to have a constant playmate to socialise with (single handrears often grow up thinking they are people!)and certainly a help to overburdened rescuers.

Lil