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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
What is it, with mothers in Texas? First, Andrea Yates an now, this woman!

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post #2 of 22
That makes me ill! Those poor babies!
post #3 of 22
That is nothing less than disgusting! Flip the switch on this one.
post #4 of 22
They aren't going for the death penalty in this case, though I have no idea why not.

What I don't understand is why her husband is supporting her. I'm sorry, but someone - wacko or not - kills two of my kids and maims the other, and the least that's going to happen is that I will NOT be supporting them at their trial! I'd be the first in line to testify against them!
post #5 of 22
To heck with flipping a switch!!! The mother deserves to die the same way her sons did...I swear some people should be born sterile and shes one of them. This makes me sooooooo MAD!!!!!!!!
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Poor kids. May the two that dies be in heaven and the survivor be treated with dignity in a new loving home.

I'm sorry but she deserves to suffer for what she did. She'll have at least a lifetime to think about what she did wrong.

post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Bill says that its because she's from East Texas (he's from West Texas). According to Bill, there are a lot of those fanatical religious groups, such as the ones that this woman and Andrea Yates belong to.

Andrea Yates' husband is sticking by her, too. He visits her on a regular basis (for now).
post #8 of 22


Why don't we also spay her? Some people are crazy. My question is usually why such people have children and many people who would be some of the most loving parents on earth have a hard time having a child.

I really cannot figure out why is it that they won't pursue the death penalty taking into account the approach of Texas to the death penalty, but I prefer it that way. Life in prison is a much more appropiate punishment - she will have to suffer the entire life in prison before she dies.

And if the defense is right that she could not tell right from wrong, then throw her on a mental institution and throw away the key!
post #9 of 22
Part of the problem I have with the insanity plea is this: If she didn't know it was wrong, why did she call 911? If it was perfectly right in her eyes and she knew that the child was still alive, why didn't she just finish the "mission that God gave her"? I know that sounds callous, but I'm sure that's exactly what the jury will have to decide.
post #10 of 22
somebody ought to stone her!!!

post #11 of 22
I think the plea's for insanity are just plain stupid, so what if you are insane, you STILL killed someone! Which means you should STILL get the same punishment. I am sure she will be murdered in prison, most of those women have children on their own, there is no way they wouldn't try something!


Or another punishment is just to put her in a room with mothers and women who are infertile! Then see what happens!
post #12 of 22
Abby, because there are young children who read the threads here at TCS, it was necessary to make some changes in the way you worded your post. I hope you don't mind.
post #13 of 22
I'm in TX and I don't understand it. While I do believe Andrea yates to be "crazy" or psychotic I for some reason, believe this woman is just plain "evil" . Stoning your kids ,... good grief !
Bottom line is there are so many women who have children who shouldn't be.
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post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
I find it disconcerting, that this woman was found to be insane, while Andrea Yates wasn't. After all, Yates had a long-standing history of treatment for mental illness and Laney didn't.

Personally, I don't buy either one's story. An insane person doesn't call 911, immediately after the crime. To me, this indicates consciousness of guilt and knowledge that what she did was wrong.

Part of the defense attorney's closing argument was on the morning news. His contention was that a sane person could not have dispassionately described the killings, as Laney did to a mental health worker, two days later. He pointed out that there was not a tear shed. IMO, a cold-blooded killer would not have cried, either.
post #16 of 22
People like her certainly give GOD a bad name if not His followers. This woman most likely was on something (prozac, paxil, whatever) and had bad psychological delusions from the meds, OR she was suffering from from post-partem depression (which was the case in other mothers who have killed their children)and the depression consumed her. Either way, even if she is not imprisoned by our justice system, she will either have such guilt and suffering in her mind and/or will recieve her "just desserts" when she dies. This is very sad, as so many woman (such as myself) cannot have children. It seems unfair that the most unfit canidates for motherhood are often the ones that end up with several children that they don't really, truly bond with or deep, deep, down, even want.
post #17 of 22
Bipolarity is the disorder where one can be Mr. Jekill one hour and Dr. Hide the next, if you understand what I mean. I would not be surprised if it was some kind of similar disorder where she goes like that without any realization of right or wrong and believing god has spoken to her, but a few minutes later realizes what she has done as wrong and calls 911. If it is like that, I cannot even start to imagine the guilt and the suffering she will go through for the rest of her life.

Of course, it is very baffling that this case(where the idea of insanity is shaky) is found as innocent because of insanity but Yates (with a clear history of mental problems) is found guilty of capital murder.
post #18 of 22
Although I am far from an expert on bipolar disorder, it is my understanding through the reading that I have done that the extreme mood swings do not occur with that type of frequency, except perhaps in children.

I also find it odd that this woman was declared legally insane so quickly while the decision in the Andrea Yates case was so different.
post #19 of 22
First let me say I am SHOCKED she was let off !!!!!!!!! completey shocked !

Second I think its a shame someone like Andrea yates is sitting in prison for life considering she had a long history of mental problems
post #20 of 22
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Originally posted by Deb25
Although I am far from an expert on bipolar disorder, it is my understanding through the reading that I have done that the extreme mood swings do not occur with that type of frequency, except perhaps in children.

I also find it odd that this woman was declared legally insane so quickly while the decision in the Andrea Yates case was so different.
Actually, there are multiple forms of bipolar disorder, in which manic vs depressive episodes occur in varying degrees. It also depends whether the person is medicated. The mania drugs in particular, are very unpopular with people who take them since many have very unpleasant side effects(stupor, weight gain, physical twitches are a few.) People stop taking them.The anti-depressants which someone mentioned, don't cause delusions, but if someone is bipolar and is taking anti-depressants w/o close monitoring by a psychiatrist, what can happen is that the drugs can trigger a manic phase, especially if no drug is being taken to control that.( Most people who get drugs for mental health issues get them from GPs who have no idea how to monitor their impact.)

My first reaction was that if 5 shrinks in the state of Texas, US capital charge country, found her to meet the legal definition of insanity, which is a test so difficult to meet as to be almost laughable that they even bother to ever use it as a defense, that this lady must really be insane. Even the state's psychiatrists testified that she was legally insane. Under those circumstances, it would have been a travesty of the legal system to find her guilty.
I don't find calling 911 supports a 'sane' case particularly: a sane person would have hightailed it out of there in a hurry, not called the police. If you believe the devil, or say in the case of the Son of Sam, think a dog told you to kill people, that doesn't automatically mean that you would not report that you had done so.

The fact that Andrea Yates was also found guilty was a travesty of the legal system. At least the jury did the right thing by refusing to suggest the death penalty. I think they should have tried her husband for some sort of neglible homicide: there seem to have been a lot of indications that her increasing number of offspring were putting her over the edge, and yet he wanted to have more and more babies, while doing little to help her.

I contrast these cases more with the Susan Smith case several years back. She killed her 2 children because they were a hinderance to a relationship with a new boyfriend who didn't want the hassle of kids. She planned a rather elaborate way to kill them, and had a story to tell the cops to send them off on a wild goose chase. To me, she acted out of immoral self-centeredness, not insanity. I believe she ultimately confessed to avoid the death penalty. There was also that woman, Diane Downs (not certain of her last name) who did something similar (Farrah Fawcett played her in a movie). She thought the kids were between her and a man she wanted so she killed them.
post #21 of 22
I truly think the system is outdated and juries are basically a crapshoot.
post #22 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deb25
Although I am far from an expert on bipolar disorder, it is my understanding through the reading that I have done that the extreme mood swings do not occur with that type of frequency, except perhaps in children.

I also find it odd that this woman was declared legally insane so quickly while the decision in the Andrea Yates case was so different.
I am an expert on bipolar disorder and people can shift very quickly, it's called "rapid cycling" I dont know whether she is bipolar or not, and understand not all bipolars suffer psychosis. Either way I believe she was psychotic. When people hear voices they are as real to them as the voices you hear on the phone. Hearing a religious voice is VERY common. I hope she gets good treatment, her disease is no different than cancer, she did not ask for it. Read Kay Jamison's account of mixed episodes and rapid cycling in "An Unquiet Mind."
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