3rd Kitten was born, Please help me.. again.

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Hello I am the same guy who has an orange cat which 2 days ago gave birth to a stillborn and a premature which died on me.

Today morning 7:30pm I was woken up by newobrn kitten meowing, Mom has given birth to 3rd kitten.

It has been around 1 hour.

Kitten has not been fed even 1 drop of milk, the mom is not feeding it. It is EXTREMELY possesive of the kitten BUT NOT FEEDING IT.

I tried to take away the kitten and feed it myself (Keep in mind I do not have the bottle, I have kitten formula but threw away the bottle after the premature died.), but the cat grabbed the newborn and took it back on top of the shelf

https://goo.gl/photos/zZmxvt634yyJvzeNA

Here is a video, It has been laying like that for the first 40 minutes, then after we tried to take it out the mom has it and shes cuddling/cleaning it but no milk feeding has been done.

*I HAVE NOTHING TO FEED THIS KITTEN WITH, I HAVE FORMULA BUT, BUT, NO BOTTLE, NO NIPPLE, NO SYRINGE, NO DROPPER, AND I CANT GET IT EITHER*
 
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@Margd  Any other experts who can help me?
 

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Hello I am the same guy who has an orange cat which 2 days ago gave birth to a stillborn and a premature which died on me.

Today morning 7:30pm I was woken up by newobrn kitten meowing, Mom has given birth to 3rd kitten.

It has been around 1 hour.

Kitten has not been fed even 1 drop of milk, the mom is not feeding it. It is EXTREMELY possesive of the kitten BUT NOT FEEDING IT.

I tried to take away the kitten and feed it myself (Keep in mind I do not have the bottle, I have kitten formula but threw away the bottle after the premature died.), but the cat grabbed the newborn and took it back on top of the shelf

https://goo.gl/photos/zZmxvt634yyJvzeNA

Here is a video, It has been laying like that for the first 40 minutes, then after we tried to take it out the mom has it and shes cuddling/cleaning it but no milk feeding has been done.

*I HAVE NOTHING TO FEED THIS KITTEN WITH, I HAVE FORMULA BUT, BUT, NO BOTTLE, NO NIPPLE, NO SYRINGE, NO DROPPER, AND I CANT GET IT EITHER*
Surely some of your neigbours has some sort of a dropper?  Many medicines and health preparates are dealth by dropper.   Do clean off such a ex-medicine dropper, of course.  Many time with warm water.

Otherwise, you can use a straw - drinking straw or even a natural straw...

A healthy kitten manages some time without milk.  We had mothers whom by some reason abandoned their newborns.  And were reunited even 36 hours later, and the kittens apparently survived (well at least some of them, if someone perished we cant know).  And we are talking about conditions which werent optimal, outside and such.
 
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@StefanZ  My neighbours are extremely secretive and weird. They run from us and have a triple security lock on their doors. I do not have anything like that but I can get straws, I'm watiing 30 minutes more from her after which if the kitten doesn't feed i will feed it myself.

So uh here's the deal the mom cat loves the kitten EXTREMELY MUCH like ALOT, and the kitten is trying to suck on its teat aswell, but I do not know if any milk is being produced..

They are cuddling and stuff though.
 
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@StefanZ  The good news is I got 2 nipples with the bottle of KMR, kittens sized ofcourse.

So what I'm thinkin is heat up a screwdriver and melt a hole through water bottle, then it should seal since its rubber and ill feed with that..
 

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@StefanZ  My neighbours are extremely secretive and weird. They run from us and have a triple security lock on their doors. I do not have anything like that but I can get straws, I'm watiing 30 minutes more from her after which if the kitten doesn't feed i will feed it myself.

So uh here's the deal the mom cat loves the kitten EXTREMELY MUCH like ALOT, and the kitten is trying to suck on its teat aswell, but I do not know if any milk is being produced..

They are cuddling and stuff though.
That is good.  It was this which was missing with the the other one....  NOW its time for mothers love!

Re weird neigbours.  the psychology of social interactions is such, in time of dire need, people DO cooperate and are helpsome.  If you explain and ask for help - a help which is no big deal for them to give - they are practically compelled to give this help.

Who knows, it may be a nice excuse for them to become more friendly with their neigbours?  "the ice is broken"  as the proverb says here in our cold North.

Good is if you manage to weight the kitten, so you will know for sure if it gains.   Weigh every 12 hours to begin with.  do it quickly and so momma sees it and hears nothing dangerous is happening.  Lay a warm cloth on the scale, so its not cold and unpleasant - so kitten wont cry.

If you cant, observe closely - you can perhaps notice changes optically.

How is it, is momma friendly with you?   It sounds almost like she isnt.     Although even rescued shy semiferales usually accept the friendly rescuer to help out with kittens.
 
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@StefanZ  I have no weighing scale that measures on such a low scale so nope.

Uh so I did go and ask the neighbours and they said no no no have (yes those are exact words) and slammed the door.

I'm just thinking of doing what I said in the previous post, melt a hole in a bottle and push nipple through.

What I'm going to do first in about 15 minutes is take a tissue and squeeze one of its teats lightly to check if it has started producing milk.

The mom is not agressive towards me but not exactly friendly either. It's growling at me when I go to check if its with the kitten.

And also I noticed when me and dad took mom cat and kitten down from shelf to see whats up it tried to grab kitten and go up on the shelf right? Well it was trying to grab its neck pretty damn hard. It's not like the gentle way I saw in youtube vidoes. It was almost biting the damn thing's head..
 

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@StefanZ  I have no weighing scale that measures on such a low scale so nope.

Uh so I did go and ask the neighbours and they said no no no have (yes those are exact words) and slammed the door.

I'm just thinking of doing what I said in the previous post, melt a hole in a bottle and push nipple through.

What I'm going to do first in about 15 minutes is take a tissue and squeeze one of its teats lightly to check if it has started producing milk.

The mom is not agressive towards me but not exactly friendly either. It's growling at me when I go to check if its with the kitten.

And also I noticed when me and dad took mom cat and kitten down from shelf to see whats up it tried to grab kitten and go up on the shelf right? Well it was trying to grab its neck pretty damn hard. It's not like the gentle way I saw in youtube vidoes. It was almost biting the damn thing's head..
Do what you can think of.  I have notices people are resourceful, and find solutions on their own, sometimes even better solutions than we advisors suggested.
 
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@StefanZ   ok i just need to know one thing though, do I seperate from mom or keep with her

I can do one of 2 things.

1. Keep with mommy, every hour take kitten away quickly and feed it KMR. Return back to mom, rinse repeat.

2. Seperate from mommy, every hour feed it.

if I do the 2nd option do I have to keep the kitten warm like before??

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@StefanZ   ok i just need to know one thing though, do I seperate from mom or keep with her

I can do one of 2 things.

1. Keep with mommy, every hour take kitten away quickly and feed it KMR. Return back to mom, rinse repeat.

2. Seperate from mommy, every hour feed it.

if I do the 2nd option do I have to keep the kitten warm like before??

Thanks.
Yes, best to held it warm.   Depends a little on how warmth  its at your place of course.   You mentionend earlier 22C, its not that bad, so it wont be critical with shorter separations.   But with any longer separation YOU must take charge.

IR-lamps, ie red light heating lamps, as used by rheumatics, terraries and for keeping small chickens alive, are very useful in such situations.   If you dont have such, so you dont have.
 

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the real difficiulty is you dont know if it takes anything from momma.  If you were sure - for example by weighting, it would be best to not disturb them so much.

I suspect you must play it by the ear.  Not to disturb too much.    You tell about rinsing inbetween.  It will be quite much action to do, and stress, both for you and momma...

Your alternative looks very similiar, but one with with lotsa of stress, the other somewhat less stress...
 
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no by rinse and repeat i mean keep doing that. @StefanZ  It's cuddling with the momma but I can tell you there is no feeding.

I think the first option is best, I'll let them stay in the box no disturbance caused, every 1 hour I'll take the kitten out, feed it, and put it back in there.
 
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Okay, @StefanZ   We're doing what I said, its SFR, steal kitten, feed kitten, return kitten.

So uh at the feeding part.. is the hole supposed to be big in the nipple? We have a tiny one which only pushes out milk if we squeeze it pretty hard. We're using the needle that they gave with it to puncture the nipple.. it's not really working and kitten isn't sucking the milk.. what to do?
 
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@StefanZ  there seems to be a big problem, the kitten is refusing KMR.. 

And I checked mom by squeezing her nipples a bit and nope she is still not producing milk.
 

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Okay, @StefanZ   We're doing what I said, its SFR, steal kitten, feed kitten, return kitten.

So uh at the feeding part.. is the hole supposed to be big in the nipple? We have a tiny one which only pushes out milk if we squeeze it pretty hard. We're using the needle that they gave with it to puncture the nipple.. it's not really working and kitten isn't sucking the milk.. what to do?
It may be touchy.  If you must squeeze, there is a risk it will sprout  / spray ahead into the "wrong neck".    As the kitten isnt suckling, ideal would be if you could put in dropwise in the corner of the mouth, so it swallow itself, and no risk of sprayiing directly into wrong opening.

So a dropper or even a straw may really be the best.

could you use a little sponge?  for example such a one used for make up.  The kitten must suckle here too, but its a lot easier to suckle from a sponge than from a hard nipple.

If you cant, try to make the hole bigger, so it flows. not freely, but if you hang everything up and down, there will become a drop in a short while.   Such an opening is easy to suckle from.
 

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@StefanZ  there seems to be a big problem, the kitten is refusing KMR.. 

And I checked mom by squeezing her nipples a bit and nope she is still not producing milk.
Often it needs several tries!   Yes, its often frustrating.  Wrap up the kitten in a little towel or such, its easier to hold it.  You may even wrap it up as a burrito.

Some kittens fights for life, and take eagerly what they get.   Others must be forced into living.   Its as its often with parents and children.  children often dont know their own good - the parent must take full responsibility....
 
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Thank you, I'm going to go buy a dropper. @StefanZ  I'm guessing eye dropper works?
 
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