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post #31 of 43
10/2/03 at 2:36pm
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Originally posted by kidsncats
My mom once attended a seminar that illustrated how both evolution and creation can coexist. If I recall her telling me correctly(and I'm not sure I do) the whole idea is based on the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden.

I believe in evolution personally.
I don't know whether you happen to be Catholic. I mention
that because the Church has said since the late 1950's, that believing in evolution was okay, as long as 2 conditions were met:
that at some point in the process, you believe that God imbued whatever had now become a human being with a divine soul, and that
you also believed in the occurence of 'original sin' which led to the expulsion of Adam & Eve from the Garden of Even. What the latter sort of means to me is that once human beings emerged as cognitive beings who could make decisions, they had the free will to choose to stay 'sinless' or or to do bad things, and they chose the latter option. A simple example to me would be that an animal might kill another animal out of some instinct or biological drive, but humans will do bad things to other humans (and animals too) when they could choose not to do so. (This is my interpretation of the Garden of Evil stuff, not a theologians.) If humans didn't sin, they would not need to be redeemed, in other words.

Unlike other branches of Christianity however, Catholicism does not view what is in the Bible as always being literal re-telling of history.
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post #32 of 43
10/2/03 at 3:07pm
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Originally posted by Jellybelly
If we evolved from monkeys, then how come we're not seeing monkeys evolve today? How come we're not "evolving" into something beyond 'human'?
But I believe we are. Even a few hundred years ago, the average height of an adult human was not near what it is today. I remember when I first had to get glasses for nearsightedness as a kid, my dad (who was an avid reader)told me that he believed nearsightedness was not, in fact, a defect, but rather an evolution of the human eye. We now need to use our eyes more for close-up work (reading and such), as opposed to hunting for survival.
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post #33 of 43
10/2/03 at 4:17pm
No, I'm not Catholic. I'm an agnostic that was raised Episcopal. Mom attended the seminar trying to span the breach in her mind formed by her Christian beliefs her scientific thinking. I'm always interested in what other people think, and this was just a slant I'd never heard before.
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post #34 of 43
10/2/03 at 10:38pm
If human did evolve from ape, why is it the ape still around ?
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post #35 of 43
10/2/03 at 11:27pm
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Originally posted by kidsncats
No, I'm not Catholic. I'm an agnostic that was raised Episcopal. Mom attended the seminar trying to span the breach in her mind formed by her Christian beliefs her scientific thinking. I'm always interested in what other people think, and this was just a slant I'd never heard before.
well, is the Anglican Church just 'catholic lite' ?

I was actually just offering a possible explanation for what was discussed at the seminar that your mom went to, based upon my understanding of what the Catholic church view is.
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post #36 of 43
10/3/03 at 10:55pm
all I can say is.......The good lord made us. Not time.
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post #37 of 43
10/4/03 at 6:19am
I have always believed in both creation and evolution, and that they are able to co-exist with each other. Because the bible doesn't give a lot of detail about creation, and only goes into detail after the creation of Adam and Eve, I think each of the 7 days was actually millions or billions of years long rather than periods of 24 hours each, and included evolution.

I also think the only time creation and evolution would be in conflict with each other would be if someone thought everything started and evolved without any Creator at all.

Just my 2 cents...
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post #38 of 43
3/25/04 at 1:27am
So why would anyone not believe in evolution. Even the Catholic Church says it could be right. Do creationists believe in creationism just because the Bible says so or do they have a more reasoned argument?
Any opinions?
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post #39 of 43
3/25/04 at 2:18pm
We had a longer discussion on this awhile ago at:evolution discussion

Maybe a mod could merge the threads.
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post #40 of 43
3/25/04 at 2:19pm
Bumping up for gopher!
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post #41 of 43
3/25/04 at 3:48pm
I don't deny the fact that humans are members of the animal kingdom. I believe in God and I believe he created everything. However, I don't deny the fact that we evolved. I think evolution was part of God's plan.
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post #42 of 43
3/25/04 at 5:37pm
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Originally posted by ehasygabg
If human did evolve from ape, why is it the ape still around ?
Humans didn't evolve from the ape. Humans and apes share a common ancestor, and they each evolved from that common ancestor. Please read up on a subject before you decide to reject it.

Someone asked what the common ancestor's name was. Well, it depends on how far back you want to go. Almost all the common ancestors we hold with other primates are from various different Australopethicenes, including A. Africanus, A. Afarensis, and the Bosei.

Aqua
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post #43 of 43
3/26/04 at 6:24pm

For the longest time I didn't believe in evolution; I thought it seemed too far fetched (especially with what they were teaching us in school). Now, however, I feel that both exist; that after God created the universe and everything in it, it evolved and continues to do so.
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