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Hello, I am new to this site and I joined because I'm seeking answers about my cat, Oliver. He was sold to us by a "reputable Breeder" who claimed they only sold purebred Maine coons. He came to us sickly and small, definitely too young to be separated from his mother. Not only this, but he was sold to us as a fully vetted female, but he ended up being a male and had the sicknesses of a barn cat. His sickness appeared a few days after he settled in his new home. He did look like a Maine coon when he was tiny and fluffy, but now that he's getting older, he's starting to look less and less like a Maine coon. He's about 4 months old now, give or take. I feel like I've been tricked out of my dream cat. I love Oliver and wouldn't trade him for the world, but I've wanted a Maine coon for so long and he is my first cat in 8 years. I regret not doing more research on this lady because I was just in a hurry to get him before the Christmas hustle and bustle.

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actually, he's most likely more around 5-6 months
 

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He could be purebred.  Not of show quality, but not all are.

Him being sold too young is of course revealing.  BUT not really decisive.  I have come with a hypothesis: This with 12-16 is nice and whell with small breeders, whom have the breeding cats as family cats, and the kittens gets nicely socialized in home milieu.

But what shall BYB breeders do, whom have them in cages, or in their own quarters, without any real contact with loving humans??  At 12 weeks they would be fully semiferale, quite difficult to socialize properly...

So their solution is to sell them earlier, perhaps at 6 weeks.  Not because they dont care, but because they are easy to socialize at this young age....

Its not uncommon they get some influensa, some sneezing, after leaving their home and coming to new owners.  Its the stress.
 
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He could be purebred.  Not of show quality, but not all are.

Him being sold too young is of course revealing.  BUT not really decisive.  I have come with a hypothesis: This with 12-16 is nice and whell with small breeders, whom have the breeding cats as family cats, and the kittens gets nicely socialized in home milieu.

But what shall BYB breeders do, whom have them in cages, or in their own quarters, without any real contact with loving humans??  At 12 weeks they would be fully semiferale, quite difficult to socialize properly...
So their solution is to sell them earlier, perhaps at 6 weeks.  Not because they dont care, but because they are easy to socialize at this young age....

Its not uncommon they get some influensa, some sneezing, after leaving their home and coming to new owners.  Its the stress.
So, you think he looks like a Maine coon? I'm not so sure... and he has way more than new home stress, he has a full respiratory infection that won't leave, tapeworms, lice, ear mites... never seen a vet, and I paid for a fully vetted cat. It's not the biggest deal, it's just the vet bills on top of that... My vet said herself that it's almost as if he came from a barn.
 

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So, you think he looks like a Maine coon? I'm not so sure... and he has way more than new home stress, he has a full respiratory infection that won't leave, tapeworms, lice, ear mites... never seen a vet, and I paid for a fully vetted cat. It's not the biggest deal, it's just the vet bills on top of that... My vet said herself that it's almost as if he came from a barn.
Nay, I dont think he is any good look alike of a Maine coon.  If you instead had put the pictures asking:  I have got this kitten,  do you think he belongs to any breed?  Im not even sure I would say he is a MCO look alike.  I would say a nice medium haired moggie with teh classic tabby pattern.

But you told you have solid proofs he is a Maine Coon as he is sold by a reputable breeder as a maine coon.   And I know not all are up to the show standard.  My fault I didnt wanted to say into your face low pet quality or similiar.

That said, he may still develop as older.  Got a stronger jaw. Get more hairy, as mane and pantaloons when adult and the winter nearing again...

Being inside only, they dont dewelop full winter fur in the same way as outside cats.  Especielly not as kittens.  As full mane and pantaloons are in part gender charactersitics...

OK, some stress related repiratory infection isnt uncommon, as said.

But tapeworm, lice, ear mites shall not occur with any reputable breeder,  and usually not with BYBs either.   Many bybs are after all decently good cat owners, even if they want to make money on the without big investments.

So yeah,  when adding everything, the results doesnt add up properly, it seems you got a barncat.  

Sweet and a nice family companion, but no real   purebred from a reputable breeder...  I suspect this too.
 
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From the information you've provided something definitely sounds fishy. You're cat does look to have some Maine Coon in him but it's hard to say full blooded. The pics above I posted is of my cat that recently past. He was full blooded from a breeder and came from a long list of Champions and Grand Champions. The first pic he was about 8 months. The second pic he was about 13. He toped out at about 23 pounds.

Remember Maine Coons don't get their full " bushy coat " until about 2 years so, yours may come in still yet. I'm actually looking for another breeder to get another Maine Coon from since my breeder is no longer available, she was probably in her late 50's early 60's when I got the cat pictured almost 16 yrs ago. I'm having to do a lot of research to find the right breeder to buy from. When I bought Tama pictured above I paid $500. That was with papers but no breeding rights. There was a contract I had to sign stating that I would have him Spayed or Neutered depending on the sex and a 2 year written health guarantee. You should have gotten this if you bought from a "reputable " breeder that shows cats and has a champion line. Keep in mind that my cat was not considered show quality nor a breeder by a breeders standards and if I do say so myself, he was a gorgeous cat. For an additional $500, total of $1000 I could have gotten breeders rights a papers.

Since I bought my cat prices have gone up as well as demand. A lot of breeders have a waiting list. You must reserve the cat of choice and then are given a certain amount of time to send a deposit. Things vary from breeder to breeder as far as pricing and deposits but normal deposit average is around $200 and normal average price is around $1100 to $1200 and can be as high as $1700 to $1800 if the cat is above average in size or has unique markings. Reputable breeders also screen their cats for heart disease, hip dysplasia, kidney disease, etc. They should have the things they screen for listed on their website. Some do ultra sounds and such. Most reputable breeders cats are seen at least twice by a vet and checked for Feline Leukemia (FELV) and Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV).​ and have had all their shots before you receive the cat. Most reputable breeders will not let you pic up your cat until they are 12 to 14 weeks of age and they raise there cats under foot and around other cats and in some cases dogs to make sure that the cats are properly socialized BEFORE you get them. Most breeders encourage you to visit the cattery's and tour the facility. Some have a visitors day now and then so people can come in and play with the kittens and help socialize them. You see what I'm getting at? If you did not experience these things you didn't get your cat from a reputable breeder and if you paid $1000 or more for your cat you should be very pissed off and you wouldn't be saying, " it's just vet bills". Another thing you should look for is a breeder should be members of CFA , TICA, and MCBFA. These are cat associations and a breeder should be a member of at least one if not all of them.

When I got my cat the breeder let me have it at eight weeks. That was the norm back then. I'm finding that things have changed. Back when I got Tama most breeder cats looked basically like him. Body length, face, bone structure, etc. The only difference was colors. I'm finding now that and, have been told that a breeder either breeds for CFA or TICA standards. I was told my cat was bred more for CFA. So, evidently CFA and TICA standards vary. From what I can tell CFA standards call for a softer look. Longer body, taller and more of a leaner look. TICA standards call for a more feral look. Wilder looking, shorter body, stockier, bigger boned. It seems the breeders that breed for TICA are importing cats from Europe and that's where the TICA look is coming from. I don't really understand this since Maine Coons originated in the US so why would a European cat be the way a Maine Coon should look as one breeder told me? Personally I like the CFA look like my cat better. I'm still researching a lot of this so I could be off on my understanding of the difference in standards but this is what I see at this point.

So to wrap this up. If you didn't experience a lot of what I described above then you probably got duked. He's still a pretty cat and looks like he has good size from the pics. He has a lot of Maine Coon in him if not pure breed. I hope this helps! I hope you reply back. I would like to know more about your experience. I signed up for this site because of your question that I just happened to run across in my search for a Maine Coon kitten.
 

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Welcome to TCS A arisen and sabian sabian

Arisen, from your description it sounds like the breeder you got Oliver from might not have been the most experienced... from what I can gather from the fact that he was sold to you as a fixed female when he was really a male. He is a very cute kitty, and he looks like he might have *some* Maine Coon in him. Do you have the pedigree papers from your breeder? Was he CFA, Tica, or ACFA registered?

Sabian, in your search for a Maine Coon kitty, have you been to any cat shows? This is where you can meet reputable breeders.
 

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Oh, I don't know... Oliver looks about as much a Dream Cat as any cat I've ever seen.  I'd guess that there's a reason that Fate put the two of you together.

If you really, really want to know his heritage, have a DNA test done, but don't be too surprised if it comes back as Maine Coon by Maine Coon.  Bibs and Lynx Tips don't appear on all Maine Coons, and Oliver's facial ruff is pretty consistent with many Coon Cats, as are his markings.  The simple truth is that no matter his heritage or pedigree, he has beauty which will never fade with the passage of time, and will Love more deeply and more honestly than any Human ever could, and these are virtues beyond all measure, and certainly beyond any price you might name.

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Welcome to TCS @Arisen and @sabian

Arisen, from your description it sounds like the breeder you got Oliver from might not have been the most experienced... from what I can gather from the fact that he was sold to you as a fixed female when he was really a male. He is a very cute kitty, and he looks like he might have *some* Maine Coon in him. Do you have the pedigree papers from your breeder? Was he CFA, Tica, or ACFA registered?

Sabian, in your search for a Maine Coon kitty, have you been to any cat shows? This is where you can meet reputable breeders.
​I haven't ever been to a cat show Abyeb but, it's something I've always wanted to do. I've just never takin the time. I probably will in the near future and it would be a great learning experience. Most long time breeders you can tell from their website and feedback on their facebook page or guest book what kind of breeder they are but, a newer breeder it can be hard to tell sometimes. At least at a show you know they are in fact a " true " breeder. By bypassing newer breeders I could actually be missing out on an awesome cat. I'm finding my search difficult but I'm trying to keep an open mind.
 
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From the information you've provided something definitely sounds fishy. You're cat does look to have some Maine Coon in him but it's hard to say full blooded. The pics above I posted is of my cat that recently past. He was full blooded from a breeder and came from a long list of Champions and Grand Champions. The first pic he was about 8 months. The second pic he was about 13. He toped out at about 23 pounds.

Remember Maine Coons don't get their full " bushy coat " until about 2 years so, yours may come in still yet. I'm actually looking for another breeder to get another Maine Coon from since my breeder is no longer available, she was probably in her late 50's early 60's when I got the cat pictured almost 16 yrs ago. I'm having to do a lot of research to find the right breeder to buy from. When I bought Tama pictured above I paid $500. That was with papers but no breeding rights. There was a contract I had to sign stating that I would have him Spayed or Neutered depending on the sex and a 2 year written health guarantee. You should have gotten this if you bought from a "reputable " breeder that shows cats and has a champion line. Keep in mind that my cat was not considered show quality nor a breeder by a breeders standards and if I do say so myself, he was a gorgeous cat. For an additional $500, total of $1000 I could have gotten breeders rights a papers.

Since I bought my cat prices have gone up as well as demand. A lot of breeders have a waiting list. You must reserve the cat of choice and then are given a certain amount of time to send a deposit. Things vary from breeder to breeder as far as pricing and deposits but normal deposit average is around $200 and normal average price is around $1100 to $1200 and can be as high as $1700 to $1800 if the cat is above average in size or has unique markings. Reputable breeders also screen their cats for heart disease, hip dysplasia, kidney disease, etc. They should have the things they screen for listed on their website. Some do ultra sounds and such. Most reputable breeders cats are seen at least twice by a vet and checked for Feline Leukemia (FELV) and Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV).​ and have had all their shots before you receive the cat. Most reputable breeders will not let you pic up your cat until they are 12 to 14 weeks of age and they raise there cats under foot and around other cats and in some cases dogs to make sure that the cats are properly socialized BEFORE you get them. Most breeders encourage you to visit the cattery's and tour the facility. Some have a visitors day now and then so people can come in and play with the kittens and help socialize them. You see what I'm getting at? If you did not experience these things you didn't get your cat from a reputable breeder and if you paid $1000 or more for your cat you should be very pissed off and you wouldn't be saying, " it's just vet bills". Another thing you should look for is a breeder should be members of CFA , TICA, and MCBFA. These are cat associations and a breeder should be a member of at least one if not all of them.

When I got my cat the breeder let me have it at eight weeks. That was the norm back then. I'm finding that things have changed. Back when I got Tama most breeder cats looked basically like him. Body length, face, bone structure, etc. The only difference was colors. I'm finding now that and, have been told that a breeder either breeds for CFA or TICA standards. I was told my cat was bred more for CFA. So, evidently CFA and TICA standards vary. From what I can tell CFA standards call for a softer look. Longer body, taller and more of a leaner look. TICA standards call for a more feral look. Wilder looking, shorter body, stockier, bigger boned. It seems the breeders that breed for TICA are importing cats from Europe and that's where the TICA look is coming from. I don't really understand this since Maine Coons originated in the US so why would a European cat be the way a Maine Coon should look as one breeder told me? Personally I like the CFA look like my cat better. I'm still researching a lot of this so I could be off on my understanding of the difference in standards but this is what I see at this point.

So to wrap this up. If you didn't experience a lot of what I described above then you probably got duked. He's still a pretty cat and looks like he has good size from the pics. He has a lot of Maine Coon in him if not pure breed. I hope this helps! I hope you reply back. I would like to know more about your experience. I signed up for this site because of your question that I just happened to run across in



From the information you've provided something definitely sounds fishy. You're cat does look to have some Maine Coon in him but it's hard to say full blooded. The pics above I posted is of my cat that recently past. He was full blooded from a breeder and came from a long list of Champions and Grand Champions. The first pic he was about 8 months. The second pic he was about 13. He toped out at about 23 pounds.

Remember Maine Coons don't get their full " bushy coat " until about 2 years so, yours may come in still yet. I'm actually looking for another breeder to get another Maine Coon from since my breeder is no longer available, she was probably in her late 50's early 60's when I got the cat pictured almost 16 yrs ago. I'm having to do a lot of research to find the right breeder to buy from. When I bought Tama pictured above I paid $500. That was with papers but no breeding rights. There was a contract I had to sign stating that I would have him Spayed or Neutered depending on the sex and a 2 year written health guarantee. You should have gotten this if you bought from a "reputable " breeder that shows cats and has a champion line. Keep in mind that my cat was not considered show quality nor a breeder by a breeders standards and if I do say so myself, he was a gorgeous cat. For an additional $500, total of $1000 I could have gotten breeders rights a papers.

Since I bought my cat prices have gone up as well as demand. A lot of breeders have a waiting list. You must reserve the cat of choice and then are given a certain amount of time to send a deposit. Things vary from breeder to breeder as far as pricing and deposits but normal deposit average is around $200 and normal average price is around $1100 to $1200 and can be as high as $1700 to $1800 if the cat is above average in size or has unique markings. Reputable breeders also screen their cats for heart disease, hip dysplasia, kidney disease, etc. They should have the things they screen for listed on their website. Some do ultra sounds and such. Most reputable breeders cats are seen at least twice by a vet and checked for Feline Leukemia (FELV) and Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV).​ and have had all their shots before you receive the cat. Most reputable breeders will not let you pic up your cat until they are 12 to 14 weeks of age and they raise there cats under foot and around other cats and in some cases dogs to make sure that the cats are properly socialized BEFORE you get them. Most breeders encourage you to visit the cattery's and tour the facility. Some have a visitors day now and then so people can come in and play with the kittens and help socialize them. You see what I'm getting at? If you did not experience these things you didn't get your cat from a reputable breeder and if you paid $1000 or more for your cat you should be very pissed off and you wouldn't be saying, " it's just vet bills". Another thing you should look for is a breeder should be members of CFA , TICA, and MCBFA. These are cat associations and a breeder should be a member of at least one if not all of them.

When I got my cat the breeder let me have it at eight weeks. That was the norm back then. I'm finding that things have changed. Back when I got Tama most breeder cats looked basically like him. Body length, face, bone structure, etc. The only difference was colors. I'm finding now that and, have been told that a breeder either breeds for CFA or TICA standards. I was told my cat was bred more for CFA. So, evidently CFA and TICA standards vary. From what I can tell CFA standards call for a softer look. Longer body, taller and more of a leaner look. TICA standards call for a more feral look. Wilder looking, shorter body, stockier, bigger boned. It seems the breeders that breed for TICA are importing cats from Europe and that's where the TICA look is coming from. I don't really understand this since Maine Coons originated in the US so why would a European cat be the way a Maine Coon should look as one breeder told me? Personally I like the CFA look like my cat better. I'm still researching a lot of this so I could be off on my understanding of the difference in standards but this is what I see at this point.

So to wrap this up. If you didn't experience a lot of what I described above then you probably got duked. He's still a pretty cat and looks like he has good size from the pics. He has a lot of Maine Coon in him if not pure breed. I hope this helps! I hope you reply back. I would like to know more about your experience. I signed up for this site because of your question that I just happened to run across in my search for a Maine Coon kitten.:catguy:
Hi, thank you for your post.
You provided a lot of useful information,
but a lot of your comment was also a blur...

I have no clue about a lot of things cat related, this is my first year on my own and I wanted a companion in my lonely apartment. I am young and uneducated which was probably why it was even easier to trick me. (And yes, I know I've been duked and taken advantage of. There's no doubt about it. This part doesn't need analyzing.)

I just want to know if the cat I was given is a Maine coon, because I've been worried that even that isn't true. I didn't need "purebred" with "fancy papers" and "expensive pedigrees", I just wanted a Maine coon.

It doesn't matter much now because I have a great sociable cat who I love more than the world, but I just hate being taken advantage of and would like to know what my cat really is if he isn't a Maine coon.

And she was definitely a BYB, not a fancy cattery. I knew this from the start and I was okay with it. She told me this long story about how her mother had been a BYB of Maine coons for 30 years and they've been pleasing families in my state with beautiful healthy Maine coon kittens for years. By "reputable", I guess I meant that for a back yard Breeder, she seemed to know her stuff, had a solid backstory, sent me pictures of beautiful cats, and had painted a picture of herself as a trustworthy BYB. But when it came down to it, I was given an unvetted "barn cat" that may not even be Maine coon.
 
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Oh, I don't know... Oliver looks about as much a Dream Cat as any cat I've ever seen.  I'd guess that there's a reason that Fate put the two of you together.


If you really, really want to know his heritage, have a DNA test done, but don't be too surprised if it comes back as Maine Coon by Maine Coon.  Bibs and Lynx Tips don't appear on all Maine Coons, and Oliver's facial ruff is pretty consistent with many Coon Cats, as are his markings.  The simple truth is that no matter his heritage or pedigree, he has beauty which will never fade with the passage of time, and will Love more deeply and more honestly than any Human ever could, and these are virtues beyond all measure, and certainly beyond any price you might name.

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This is true [emoji]10084[/emoji] this is the best comment I've received
 

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Oh, I don't know... Oliver looks about as much a Dream Cat as any cat I've ever seen.  I'd guess that there's a reason that Fate put the two of you together.

If you really, really want to know his heritage, have a DNA test done, but don't be too surprised if it comes back as Maine Coon by Maine Coon.  Bibs and Lynx Tips don't appear on all Maine Coons, and Oliver's facial ruff is pretty consistent with many Coon Cats, as are his markings.  The simple truth is that no matter his heritage or pedigree, he has beauty which will never fade with the passage of time, and will Love more deeply and more honestly than any Human ever could, and these are virtues beyond all measure, and certainly beyond any price you might name.

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​Beautifully put and truer words have never been spoken! What gorgeous blue eyes you have!
 

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gracie is a moggie no doubt but I love her to bits ! I think what is not nice in you situation is that you feel you may have been lied to which is not nice ! i wouldn't change my non pedigree for anything though !
 

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​Thanks for the reply and this makes more sense. I would like to correct myself. I said in my last post you were saying " it's just vet bills " and in fact you were saying it's vet bills on top of what you paid for Oliver. I misread that, sorry. I wouldn't say your uneducated either. I know college grads that don't have as good a sentence structure as you do!...lol...and maybe you weren't duped after all? I'm shooting in the dark on a lot of this but in my honest opinion, going by your pics, I would say he's Maine Coon. My first pic of Tama could possibly be at a yr and 8 months. I'm not positive. I just had that roll of pics developed after he passed and they had been in my closet for 10 or 12 years and it was shot on 35mm film not digital so, no date code.

I feel like Oliver's mane or bib on his chest will come in with age. As 1CatOverTheLine put it. Not all Maine Coons have a full mane and links tips. Links tips being the hair coming off the tips of the ears to a point. Google Links Cats and you can see an example of links tips. I personally don't like the heavy links tips. There's no way of knowing for sure if he's pure Maine Coon without DNA test. The shape of his head, body and bone structure scream Maine Coon in my opinion. I wish I could see his tail. He looks like he has some size to him but again hard to tell. If he weighs in at 8 to 12 pounds now you could be looking at 15 to 20 pounds full grown. Again, screams Maine Coon!

Most of the problems described that Oliver has should be easy enough to take care of. Bayer Advantage should take care of the ear mites. I've never had a cat with lice but I wouldn't think it would be hard to take care of. Respiratory infection, a shot of cortisone and some oral antibiotics should take care of that. It could be something else that is being misdiagnosed. Tama had real bad diarrhea when I brought him home and turned out he had a sensitive stomach and it was food coloring in the food I was giving him. Went to Purina One and it cleared up. Oliver could have some allergies of some sort.

One breeder I have talked to had a cat that she was showing and it passed at a year old with cancer. You just never know with animals. It can be a crap shoot even from a purebred line. Keep in mind that not all vets know what they are doing. My vet I had been going to since 1972 back when I was a kid with my mom recently sold the practice. New owners built a nice new building reduced staff and it was a mess. When Tama got sick I take him in and didn't recognize a single person. Told them I didn't care what it cost to figure out what was wrong. Do blood test, x-rays whatever you need to do. Signed a consent form also. I left for about an hour and a half and the vet tried to call and called from 2 different numbers and I had a 3rd programmed in my phone. I missed her first call and called right back and had to leave a voice mail. 2nd time I'm walking through the door and couldn't get to it in time. It was the vet again. I call the number back and see the girl behind the desk put me on hold. I told her that I was there and she got an attitude. The vet had an attitude because I didn't answer the phone. I told her I had their number programmed in my phone and it didn't come up and she called from 2 different numbers. She said she was trying to get approval to do tests and medication. I told her I signed a release form and left instructions to do whatever it takes to figure out what was wrong. This was on Fri. They gave him blood test, thyroid test, antibiotics, fluids, and something for an upset stomach and sent me on my way. Monday he's no better. I call in and tell the girl that answered and she starts asking the same questions I answered on Fri. I answered her questions and then followed up with " my cat is dying, I'm watching him die"! I take him back and they gave him the x-ray that I asked for on Fri. Found a mass in his chest and said I think it is terminal. I think? That's not good enough! What do we do to know for sure! Ultra Sound. OK, do that then! We can't don't have anyone here qualified. We have a mobile Dr. that may be able to do it in a day or two. Do you know anyone else who may be able to do it? Another Vet? No, but we can call around if you like. Tues. 10.30 am no call. I start calling myself and found a vet that could do ultra sound. They're booked till Feb. 27. This is Valentines day the 14th. I say, he'll be dead by then! Oh, if you want to do it as an emergency we can do it today. REALLY! ***! Ok fine, I'm coming! He was diagnosed with terminal cancer wrapped around his intestines and spread through his body. He passed 2 days later.

I look back and think. I should have done this. I should have seen this. I should have caught this. Bottom line is. You don't know what you don't know. You learn and you move on. Question everything and take nothing for granted. Don't assume your vet knows what they're doing. The last vet I went to, to do the ultra sound was phenomenal! I have a new vet now.

In my opinion, you have a beautiful cat. I love the silver and smoke colors and his marking. It's exactly the colors I'm looking for. Your going through a tough time with him but, your bonding with him and he knows he's sick and your trying to fix him. Trust me! He knows! If you can pick him up and hold him. If he snuggles with you and he doesn't have behavioral issues. That's priceless! That is your dream cat and maybe fate did put you two together. I hope fate guides me to my next cat! Hope this helps...
 

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Do you have some more pictures of Oliver now and from when he was younger? At around 3-6 months, many cats get into their teenage years - they will grow very oddly and won't look at all at what you thought you had bought. At around 10-12 months this clears up and they will become beautiful adults. My breed works that way and is pretty simular to the maine coon. We call that age even the "ugly" face, because they just don't look like they should haha. Love them anyway tho!

If you can give some pictures from then and now, and perhaps the parents, I can have a better look and predict the way he will look later better. 
 
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