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What colour is my ragdoll cross kitten
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Judging from what I can see, that is probably correct. For some reason, folks like the term "blue" better than "gray." I guess it sounds fancier. What a pretty kitten you have!
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My guess is 'Black smoke' his coat may change head
should stay black not an expert google black smoke to have an idea
gorgeous coats very beautiful
should stay black not an expert google black smoke to have an idea
gorgeous coats very beautiful
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Welcome not sure what you are paying for this kitten but have you seen the parents? Lots of kittens for sale
some will say things just to make extra cash if they're cat resembles a breed...
*had no idea there were blue-gray or even red smokes...goes on and on
some will say things just to make extra cash if they're cat resembles a breed...
*had no idea there were blue-gray or even red smokes...goes on and on
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Great price! Gorgeous kitties look forward to seeing some pics
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Hi everyone I was on here a couple of days ago asking if anyone could tell me the colour of my 3/4 Ragdoll kitten. He is now at home here are some pictures. We named him Poe after Edgar Allan Poe. If anyone know what the 1/4 could be let me know.
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Since you know you got him from someone who knows both the parents pictures of the parents would be a *HUGE* help in making a guess.
Definite long hair puff ball. But beyond that it is hard to guess at that age. I am a little confused to the ragdoll part because they tend to be pointed but if his parents were only part each and didn't exhibit the pointed aspect then it would make more sense. Some of the specific features of different breeds aren't apparent until they reach adulthood so if you can't post pictures of the parents you likely will have to wait until he is older to get any real solid guesses as to mixes.
His coat color could be a smoke color but he is too young to know if it really is. It could simply be a fever coat that will fade by the time he is 8 months old (fever coats happen when the mom gets sick or stressed while pregnant and the full pigments didn't deposit leaving a smokey look that fades with time and is fully gone by adulthood). It could also be ghost coloring that will fade with age which is fairly common in black cats but more typically shows as stripes (especially the tail where you see stripes now but as the pigment fully develops the stripes will fade). Looking at the pictures you posted with your last posting I am leaning more towards a fever coat than a smoke coat but only time will really tell.
Definite long hair puff ball. But beyond that it is hard to guess at that age. I am a little confused to the ragdoll part because they tend to be pointed but if his parents were only part each and didn't exhibit the pointed aspect then it would make more sense. Some of the specific features of different breeds aren't apparent until they reach adulthood so if you can't post pictures of the parents you likely will have to wait until he is older to get any real solid guesses as to mixes.
His coat color could be a smoke color but he is too young to know if it really is. It could simply be a fever coat that will fade by the time he is 8 months old (fever coats happen when the mom gets sick or stressed while pregnant and the full pigments didn't deposit leaving a smokey look that fades with time and is fully gone by adulthood). It could also be ghost coloring that will fade with age which is fairly common in black cats but more typically shows as stripes (especially the tail where you see stripes now but as the pigment fully develops the stripes will fade). Looking at the pictures you posted with your last posting I am leaning more towards a fever coat than a smoke coat but only time will really tell.
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Hi I got some pictures of the parents first 3 pictures are of the mom she is a purebred torti ragdoll second 2 are of the father he is a flame 1/2 Ragdoll.
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on the first pic, whom is the rightie? Bigger than the kittens, somewhat smaller than momma, and probably a point. Older sis?
Dad is red or ginger. We use flame to tell about point color.
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There are people out there operating under the assumption that ragdool means fluffy. Ragdoll is a specific pointed breed that has long hair. That said the dad is most likely not a ragdoll. He is not flame which means flame point where the cat is mostly white/tan with orange at the extremities (paws, nose, tail). The dad is a large ginger or orange cat. His coat is not consistant with the coat of a ragdoll and I would peg him as more of a Maine Coon or Forest Cat. Even then, if the person was trying to pass him as a "flame ragdoll" I doubt that he is more than a beautiful domestic long hair. Sorry. There are a lot of unscrupulous people out there who try to throw out words and think cats are like dogs in breeding. Dogs have been breed to the point where some things are only visible in specific breeds. Most cats are naturally occuring refined traits that can and are found outside of breeds.
All that said, the mom is a pointed tortie. Is she a pure ragdoll? I doubt it. If this person lied about Dad then it wouldn't be a stretch to lie about Mom. It might be unintentional. A lot of shelters tag cats based on color and people will grab those titles. Long hair? Pointed? Must be a ragdoll according to most shelters. While she is lovely her coat also isn't quiet right to be pure ragdoll. You have to remember that ragdoll started from a single long hair cat found on the streets with a great temperment. The originator of the breed selected for color pointing, long hair and temperment from there. Traditionally, ragdolls have a long even coat, lots of white on a variety of point color patterns and a sweet temperment. That same description can be applied to long hair cats outside of the breed.
Your little boy is a lovely kitten. He likely will end up being a solid black long haired cat. Looking at the earlier photos and his now again I am more convinced that he has a fever coat. But he is not a blue smoke like you were told. If he does retain the silver he is closer to a black smoke. I also think if he is close to a purebred anything it is Maine Coon not Ragdoll. I thought I saw some of the shaping of Maine Coon before and the Dad has similar shaping. It could also be more Norweigian Forest Cat, honestly those two have a lot of similarities when we are talking a few generations removed. Both though have the larger size, long hair, and mane. Maine Coon is more square and NFC is more triangular in the face. Your boy is right between the two extremes but I'd lean more Maine Coon.
Obviously I could be completely wrong. You can confirm by asking for Moms papers. Or ask for a reference to where they got Mom to confirm lineage. I am betting they won't have either and that they gave her the ragdoll label without the pedigree to back it up. Ditto for Dad.
All that said, the mom is a pointed tortie. Is she a pure ragdoll? I doubt it. If this person lied about Dad then it wouldn't be a stretch to lie about Mom. It might be unintentional. A lot of shelters tag cats based on color and people will grab those titles. Long hair? Pointed? Must be a ragdoll according to most shelters. While she is lovely her coat also isn't quiet right to be pure ragdoll. You have to remember that ragdoll started from a single long hair cat found on the streets with a great temperment. The originator of the breed selected for color pointing, long hair and temperment from there. Traditionally, ragdolls have a long even coat, lots of white on a variety of point color patterns and a sweet temperment. That same description can be applied to long hair cats outside of the breed.
Your little boy is a lovely kitten. He likely will end up being a solid black long haired cat. Looking at the earlier photos and his now again I am more convinced that he has a fever coat. But he is not a blue smoke like you were told. If he does retain the silver he is closer to a black smoke. I also think if he is close to a purebred anything it is Maine Coon not Ragdoll. I thought I saw some of the shaping of Maine Coon before and the Dad has similar shaping. It could also be more Norweigian Forest Cat, honestly those two have a lot of similarities when we are talking a few generations removed. Both though have the larger size, long hair, and mane. Maine Coon is more square and NFC is more triangular in the face. Your boy is right between the two extremes but I'd lean more Maine Coon.
Obviously I could be completely wrong. You can confirm by asking for Moms papers. Or ask for a reference to where they got Mom to confirm lineage. I am betting they won't have either and that they gave her the ragdoll label without the pedigree to back it up. Ditto for Dad.
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To clarify after a quick search. Some people do use the term "flame" to reference a bright orange cat. However, that is not a recognized coloration term in breeding circles. So yes, the dad could be called a "flame" AKA Ginger cat but not a flame ragdoll. When talking of a ragdoll a "flame ragdoll" would be a flame point. This is a quick grab off the internet to show what a flame/red ragdoll might be like:
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There are a lot of people who unknowingly mislabel their cats by the breed they think it is similar too without any real background in their cat. They may be right or wrong but when it comes down to it, without documentation there is no proof. And since many cat breeds can be, and are, similar to naturally occurring coloration, shapes, etc it is only ever a guess. My cat is a prime example:
Rocket. You see this photo and first guess? Snowshoe Siamese mix of some sort right?
Not even close. She is a moggy (or mutt) pure and simple. Her mom was tabby, her grandma, and great grandma were all grey tabby. Rocket is a street cat, former feral, from a hoarder situation. There is no pure anything in her near past lineage. Her grandfather was likely bicolor, her father may have been some pointed male that was seen around the hoarders house once or twice. But the point is there is nothing in her heritage that is pure anything. She is a tiny little former feral that happened to turn out as a bicolor pointed cat. She is not a Snowshoe Siamese despite having very close to typical facial markings for it.
Again, I could be wrong in your situation. The only way to really know is get proof from the breeder of the parents lineage. Papers are best, reference/bill of sale showing the parents came from a breeder and their lineage.
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There are a lot of people who unknowingly mislabel their cats by the breed they think it is similar too without any real background in their cat. They may be right or wrong but when it comes down to it, without documentation there is no proof. And since many cat breeds can be, and are, similar to naturally occurring coloration, shapes, etc it is only ever a guess. My cat is a prime example:
Rocket. You see this photo and first guess? Snowshoe Siamese mix of some sort right?
Not even close. She is a moggy (or mutt) pure and simple. Her mom was tabby, her grandma, and great grandma were all grey tabby. Rocket is a street cat, former feral, from a hoarder situation. There is no pure anything in her near past lineage. Her grandfather was likely bicolor, her father may have been some pointed male that was seen around the hoarders house once or twice. But the point is there is nothing in her heritage that is pure anything. She is a tiny little former feral that happened to turn out as a bicolor pointed cat. She is not a Snowshoe Siamese despite having very close to typical facial markings for it.
Again, I could be wrong in your situation. The only way to really know is get proof from the breeder of the parents lineage. Papers are best, reference/bill of sale showing the parents came from a breeder and their lineage.
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Hi thank you for all the information. I have no idea about that dad but to me he looks like a Maine Coon ragdoll cross as for the colour I think maybe a red solid I was not told he was purebred. I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure there are more then just colour pointed purebred ragdolls there are colorpoint, mitted, bicolor and lynx. In my opinion the mom looks like a solid mitted torti or a Lynx mitted torti. I am unsure of what a fever coat is but I don't think he has it he is a different colour depending on the light and way you take the picture it looks like his entire body colour is white/silver with black Lynx pattern in it and his points are black with white/silver on top.
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Thank you again I'm probably going to get his DNA tested to be 100% sure
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Thank you again I'm probably going to get his DNA tested to be 100% sure
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In the follow up pics it become more clear, its almost surely fever coat. He will be almost surely all black when he is older and gets rid of this contemporary hairs.
Momma does carry black, being a tortie, so its from her he got the all black color. I see siblings got other combinations.
On the first photo it wasnt entirely clear it was fever coat, there were a couple of other possibilities. Including, longhaired blacks with smoke DOES sometimes looks as if they were black points.
But on the follow ups its as in the Occams razor-knife: of several theoretically possibilities, choose the one which is the highly most probable. And fever coat is.
Momma does carry black, being a tortie, so its from her he got the all black color. I see siblings got other combinations.
On the first photo it wasnt entirely clear it was fever coat, there were a couple of other possibilities. Including, longhaired blacks with smoke DOES sometimes looks as if they were black points.
But on the follow ups its as in the Occams razor-knife: of several theoretically possibilities, choose the one which is the highly most probable. And fever coat is.
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