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Under Obama, the U.S. dropped 26k bombs on foreign countries in 2016, and is illegally meddling in 138 countries

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

 

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/05/year-commando

 

"...in 2016 alone, the Obama administration dropped at least 26,171 bombs. This means that every day last year, the US military blasted combatants or civilians overseas with 72 bombs; that’s three bombs every hour, 24 hours a day."

 

"President Obama did reduce the number of US soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he dramatically expanded the air wars and the use of special operations forces around the globe. In 2016, US special operators could be found in 70% of the world’s nations, 138 countries – a staggering jump of 130% since the days of the Bush administration."

 

 

To put this in context, under Obama the U.S conducted bombing campaigns in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan and Libya. Those are seven majority-Muslim countries. As we've discussed here before, that includes the disastrous U.S. intervention in Syria -- we went in shortly after civil war broke out in Syria in 2011, under the advice of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who drafted memos saying the U.S. could notch a big win by bombing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces and strongholds and topple al-Assad within "months."

 

Well, here we are five years later. Al-Assad is still in power, he's regaining territory, and all we've managed to do is kill civilians with our bombs and contribute to the worst refugee crisis in modern history, a humanitarian crisis on such an epic scale that it's ruined literally millions of lives and has wreaked havoc not just in Syria, but all across Europe as more refugees flee and seek asylum in every country from Greece to Germany to the U.K.

 

I'm posting this because, inexplicably, our media is loathe to even mention it. These are organizations that supposedly exist to inform the American public, and they refuse to run stories portraying Obama in a negative light, or stories that contradict the narrative that Obama is a cerebral, peaceful leader instead of just another politician who made lofty campaign promises and failed to deliver on most of them.

 

It's the same thing with the illegal NSA domestic spying program authorized by the Obama administration, and the administration's illegal wiretaps on media organizations like the Associated Press and Fox News, as well as illegal wiretaps on journalists working for those organizations and others.

 

Now Vladimir Putin is a pretty terrible guy, and I'm not in the business of defending him. But I did notice that, ahead of the Sochi Olympics in 2014, the Russian government explicitly warned foreign reporters, athletes and dignitaries that their communications would likely be monitored while they were staying in Russia. The Russian government told them to keep that in mind, and not to email, text or talk on the phone about anything they want to keep private.

 

Whereas Obama and our leaders will smile, pay lip service to freedom, publicly express contempt for spying, while in reality they're helping themselves to the details of our private lives by spying on American citizens, American media companies, and our own allies.

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I guess I've heard about all those things dontknow.gif. But considering the people I talk to every day think Obama hasn't dropped ENOUGH bombs, I guess I hear about them in a somewhat different context wink.gif.
post #3 of 20

The community organizer will be gone in a few days.

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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post

I guess I've heard about all those things dontknow.gif. But considering the people I talk to every day think Obama hasn't dropped ENOUGH bombs, I guess I hear about them in a somewhat different context wink.gif.

 

It's really amazing that our leaders never, ever learn that meddling causes problems.

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Well, the crowds who whooped and hollered when a certain president-elect said he would bomb the ____ out of the Iraqi oil fields apparently are quite fond of that meddling.
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Thread Starter 
Hmmmn, let's see. A guy who talked about bombing one target vs a president who has been dropping 72 bombs a day and has dropped 26,000+ bombs on seven Muslim countries in one year. (In 2025 it was "only" 24,000.)

A guy who isn't even in office yet and has expressed quasi-isolationist viewpoints vs a wannabe professorial president who has commandos operating in 148 countries.

And of course after yesterday we're hearing all about Trump trampling on the media, and these are the same people who won't even acknowledge that Obama tapped the phones of reporters at several news agencies, including the Associated Press, in an effort to silence press critics and imprison whistleblowers.
post #7 of 20
Based on things Trump has said, I think both issues will get much much worse under him. We'll see. But that's my guess.
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He's not in office yet, and by any measure HRC was a much more belligerent hawk than Trump is expected to be.

Hillary Clinton got us involved in Syria. Obama approved her plan. We have contributed to mass suffering on a scale of millions through the idiocy of our Syria meddling. HRC wouldn't even acknowledge that and promised to double down on her policies.

This is like the absurd conversation about Iraq during the campaign. Even if Trump did express support for the war, he was a private citizen. HRC was a senator who was privy to intelligence briefings and not only voted for the war, she enthusiastically supported it, urged others to vote for it, and peddled the same BS George W. Bush did about WMDs and Iraq's alleged weapons capabilities.

Really, I can't understand how you're wary of Trump based on hypotheticals, but you're not critical of two of the biggest warmongers in American history...warmongers who present themselves as doves and don't even own up to destabilizing an entire region of the world.
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I didn't say I'm not critical or wouldn't be critical of it from anyone else. But nobody else is going to be president in 8 days dontknow.gif.
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He's not in office yet, and by any measure HRC was a much more belligerent hawk than Trump is expected to be.

Hillary Clinton got us involved in Syria. Obama approved her plan. We have contributed to mass suffering on a scale of millions through the idiocy of our Syria meddling. HRC wouldn't even acknowledge that and promised to double down on her policies.

This is like the absurd conversation about Iraq during the campaign. Even if Trump did express support for the war, he was a private citizen. HRC was a senator who was privy to intelligence briefings and not only voted for the war, she enthusiastically supported it, urged others to vote for it, and peddled the same BS George W. Bush did about WMDs and Iraq's alleged weapons capabilities.

Really, I can't understand how you're wary of Trump based on hypotheticals, but you're not critical of two of the biggest warmongers in American history...warmongers who present themselves as doves and don't even own up to destabilizing an entire region of the world.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/14/us-poland-accelerate-fort-carson-troops-deployment/  This has got little to no play on the news in the US. 

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The military does a lot of things every day with little-to-no input from the President.
post #12 of 20
~ This is something Trump has talked about before. He mentions it in his latest book as well. America starts or joins a war then never finish. We use our military "for hire" but never get reimbursed. The American tax payer foots the bill ( =deficit) and our family members lose their lives. For what ?
I think Trump will have to use military force to do some self-defense , but I think he wants a beginning and an end. And he wants America as a whole to benefit - not just a select few. I actually do believe he will put American interests first for all of us .
Believe it or not ... 🌾
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A lot of people around here have said, ever since 9/11, that the US should bomb the entire Middle East off the face of the Earth. These are Trump's most rabid fan base. He hates to disappoint his fan base, and has proven himself to be reactionary and vengeful. Which is why I'm not too optimistic. But I don't know how meddlesome he'll be in military matters.
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Originally Posted by JamesCalifornia View Post

~ This is something Trump has talked about before. He mentions it in his latest book as well. America starts or joins a war then never finish. We use our military "for hire" but never get reimbursed. The American tax payer foots the bill ( =deficit) and our family members lose their lives. For what ?
I think Trump will have to use military force to do some self-defense , but I think he wants a beginning and an end. And he wants America as a whole to benefit - not just a select few. I actually do believe he will put American interests first for all of us .
Believe it or not ... 🌾

 I believe the most basic idea of NATO is that we have each other's backs the trouble is every country in NATO has their hand in our wallet. Without the US there is no NATO. We need to renegotiate our participation at best. Alliances are good but there is no balance. We can dump the UN in the void. I've been saying that for over 30 years.

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Kittens Mom :

~ Here is something about Trump's thoughts on NATO :

FACKCHECK - TRUMP POSITION ON NATO
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Kittens Mom :

~ Here is something about Trump's thoughts on NATO :

FACKCHECK - TRUMP POSITION ON NATO

Well my point exactly how long can we fund the world. It's like the rest of the world has alligator arms. ( snide referral to car insurance company)  We can't bomb Islamic nations into submission. To this day I have no idea why our govt. decided they just had to get rid of Assad. I mean all things considered he is no better or worse than any other leader in an Islamic run country. I mean I know the reasons given but it seems the failed mission and the failure to follow through had had the exact effect they were trying to bomb him to smithereens for. Now he's really in bed with Putin and while Assad bombed his own people Obama and Clinton lit the fuse. I also attribute this to the not in my backyard philosophy. Let us not drill for oil here but depend on foreign markets.

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Kittens Mom :

I agree. I actually think Trump feels the same way. He talks about this in his latest book. "America last - everybody else comes first." Some words like that. He is concerned about how the government serves others more than our own citizens. Use of our military and illegal aliens being allowed to stay in 'Sanctuary City' locations are just two examples. It could be that people we elect just don't know how - Or they don't have the incentive. Personally I think it's both .
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post

A lot of people around here have said, ever since 9/11, that the US should bomb the entire Middle East off the face of the Earth. These are Trump's most rabid fan base. He hates to disappoint his fan base, and has proven himself to be reactionary and vengeful. Which is why I'm not too optimistic. But I don't know how meddlesome he'll be in military matters.

 

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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post

I didn't say I'm not critical or wouldn't be critical of it from anyone else. But nobody else is going to be president in 8 days dontknow.gif.

 

Obama is president right now. The U.S. media won't even touch that story about the 26,000 bombs -- the story was in The Guardian, based on calculations made by a fellow at a think tank.

 

Again, you're here telling us how horrible Trump is going to be, and what a warmonger he supposedly is, when he's not even in office yet. But Obama is meddling in 138 countries, has been dropping tens of thousands of bombs on majority-Muslim countries, and has been the primary factor in exacertbating conflicts in Syria, Libya, Yemen and Somalia -- in addition to bombing other countries like Iraq and Pakistan -- and the strongest condemnation you can muster is that he's not going to be president in eight days.

 

Worse, you're waving away the warmongering of Obama and Clinton by talking about his "reactionary and vengeful" "fan base." Well that's interesting, because private citizens don't have infantry divisions, air wings or SOCOM units to send to other countries and meddle in foreign affairs.

 

 

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The military does a lot of things every day with little-to-no input from the President.

 

The deployment was ordered by the president. Military brass are not permitted to unilaterally make these decisions, especially not in sensitive areas of the world where troop deployments and build-ups can have major geopolitical ramifications. This isn't a decision about changing the PT schedule (although, unsurprisingly, the Obama administration has meddled in that too), it's a decision that has ramifications for diplomacy between the U.S. and Russia, a decision designed to antagonize Russia.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post
 

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/14/us-poland-accelerate-fort-carson-troops-deployment/  This has got little to no play on the news in the US. 

 

Of course it didn't. Just like the media stopped covering Code Pink when Obama took office, just like the media is loathe to report on the failures in Syria and Libya, just like Obama's defenders don't even like to acknowledge his warmongering.

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Originally Posted by Plan View Post
 

 

 

Obama is president right now. The U.S. media won't even touch that story about the 26,000 bombs -- the story was in The Guardian, based on calculations made by a fellow at a think tank.

 

Again, you're here telling us how horrible Trump is going to be, and what a warmonger he supposedly is, when he's not even in office yet. But Obama is meddling in 138 countries, has been dropping tens of thousands of bombs on majority-Muslim countries, and has been the primary factor in exacertbating conflicts in Syria, Libya, Yemen and Somalia -- in addition to bombing other countries like Iraq and Pakistan -- and the strongest condemnation you can muster is that he's not going to be president in eight days.

 

Worse, you're waving away the warmongering of Obama and Clinton by talking about his "reactionary and vengeful" "fan base." Well that's interesting, because private citizens don't have infantry divisions, air wings or SOCOM units to send to other countries and meddle in foreign affairs.

 

 

 

The deployment was ordered by the president. Military brass are not permitted to unilaterally make these decisions, especially not in sensitive areas of the world where troop deployments and build-ups can have major geopolitical ramifications. This isn't a decision about changing the PT schedule (although, unsurprisingly, the Obama administration has meddled in that too), it's a decision that has ramifications for diplomacy between the U.S. and Russia, a decision designed to antagonize Russia.

 

 

 

Of course it didn't. Just like the media stopped covering Code Pink when Obama took office, just like the media is loathe to report on the failures in Syria and Libya, just like Obama's defenders don't even like to acknowledge his warmongering.

If Trump had deployed these troops after inauguration we would hear the liberals crying that he is a war monger leading us to WW3. Obama does it and does it early and not a peep and that includes Fox. They're fixated on FAKE NEWS. 

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All I'm saying is----I've heard of this happening all along. It can't be that much of a "secret" if I, without going out of my way, have heard about it. Not that I paid much attention (which is probably the bigger issue), but it hardly seems like some kind of conspiracy to keep it quiet.
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