Male Cat Behaviour After Intamacy

Hello every one,

I have a question. I am sure that some of you are more experienced in cats than I am. I have a 14 months old male Scottish fold cat. He is very easy going by natüre. He is fully mature now, I guess but I realize no changes in behaviours. He doesn't make noises all night long, he is not spraying, he is not aggressive, he doesn't seem that he is looking for a female. The only change I realize is his smelly urine. It is my first cat and I am with him for one year now so I am not experienced with cats and I am not looking forward to neutering him ( I know it may sound awkward to some of you) but I don't want to disable him, I find it a little bit cruel. Anyway, my question is that if my cat has intamacy with a female cat, his behaviours change? Because some of my friends want to have babies of my cat, but I don't want an aggressive, spraying cat afterwards. So guys, what do you think? Except for neutering my cat. I don't want to do it as long as I see that my cat is stressed out and stressing me out.

charliemio said:

 
Hello every one,

I have a question. I am sure that some of you are more experienced in cats than I am. I have a 14 months old male Scottish fold cat. He is very easy going by natüre. He is fully mature now, I guess but I realize no changes in behaviours. He doesn't make noises all night long, he is not spraying, he is not aggressive, he doesn't seem that he is looking for a female. The only change I realize is his smelly urine. It is my first cat and I am with him for one year now so I am not experienced with cats and I am not looking forward to neutering him ( I know it may sound awkward to some of you) but I don't want to disable him, I find it a little bit cruel. Anyway, my question is that if my cat has intamacy with a female cat, his behaviours change? Because some of my friends want to have babies of my cat, but I don't want an aggressive, spraying cat afterwards. So guys, what do you think? Except for neutering my cat. I don't want to do it as long as I see that my cat is stressed out and stressing me out.

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TCS is a pro-spay and neuter site.  

I urge you to educate yourself regarding both procedures.  They are easy, can be low cost in many areas.  The procedure will completely get rid of the intense awful urine scent and eventual spraying your male cat will do. And he will at some point.

It will prevent a huge amount of unwanted kittens from being conceived.  Unless you are a registered breeder, you shouldn't be planning on bringing more kittens into a world that has too many of them already.

Your cat will not be "disabled". I don't know why you believe this. He will be overall a happier, calmer companion to you and your family.  

You will not find much sympathy here for your situation. Please, for the health and happiness of your cat, female cats and your family reconsider your position.

Here are some articles to hopefully help you understand better:

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/why-you-should-spay-and-neuter-your-cats

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/when-to-spay-or-neuter-a-cat

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/when-to-spay-neuter-a-cat

I was myself an owner of of two studs, pedigreed russian blues. They together served the russian blue population in Sweden and Norway during 3 years.  Not that many matings, but they were accessible as there WAS a demand for good studs, whom also vere kind and knowleable courtiers.   So I know everything!

1.  A from beginning friendly and nice male wont change very much after he has mated for real.  but once he has tasted the fruits, he will want it again, so be prepared.  the wandering around and loudly meowing will begin, ibland more ibland less.  The meows ARE deep and loud - sometimes an elk wouldnt be ashamed of such deep voice...

2.  Whe he becomes fully grown, in another year, it will almost surely accelerate.   The spraying will almost surely come, at least occasionally.  He will occasionally dont feel well - especielly in the mating seasons, with may strays in heat around, and many toms around your house....

The danger of him sneaking out and come into adventures raises of course.

3. He will always be on high watch, tensely watching his revire, and beware any danger and especially - intruding cats...

4.  I felt a little as you did with our first male.  It felt as he begged: look, Im a nice wellbehaving boy, but just dont neuter me!  I know other owners of studs felt something similiar.    Yet, as he matured, the difficulties come.   And I of course realized it was mostly my own human and male feeling, "the castrathions scare" no?  

the cats dont feel this way...

Our other stud, his son, it was easier for him.   Daddy proceed to be the revire holder even when neutered, so the son had never the burden of being in charge...

5. Yet, BOTH of them were deeply relieved when the day of neutering come.  In a week afterwards, they took it more easy, began to play again, NOW we could see them go around at ease with highly raised tail...

So.  IF you do have a pedigreed cat with full certificates and papers, he is healthy and in good shape,, and well within your breeds demands,  yes, it may be wise to consider to let him get a couple of litters before neutering.  And this will probably be done as a relively young, before fully adult, ie before the difficulties of being a stud owner comes into full.  The good of the breed needs a broad choice of good males, intead of a few "matadors" whom just multiplicate the same genetical individual.

But if itsnt so; not pedigreed, not first rate, not suitable, not full paperwork, YOU not interested in helping with serious breeding - please do neuter / spay him, as soon its practically possible.   EVERYONE will win on this...

Believe me, I know, And your boy will take the greatest win of you all.

Did I said he will be even more sweet and friendly afterwards?

Let him be mated if you want an offspring, and if his behaviors change you can always have him neutered then.The only bad thing is he might make an offspring's life miserable if kept intact, he'll be trying to mate/and or trying to fight any other cat in his household, a real possibility any way.  The spraying may or may not continue, but it would curb the aggressiveness, the constant trying to escape through the door, and his 'yelling'.

After living with cats for over 50 years I can tell you they are DEFINITELY happier after the neutering. The act itself doesn't slow them down at all, they come home from the vet and are back to normal in 24 hours. They are MUCH calmer, much less aggressive, just happier and calmer in general. They are not worried about finding the next female so are much more laid back and friendly to others, especially other cats. They don't worry about getting out of the house, about challenging other males, and don't have all the horrible wounds, abscesses and lost eyes that my feral toms ALL go through. The toms walk in and completely ignore my neutered boys, but fight tooth and nail any other tom. The benefits of neutering far outweigh any negatives, you have to decide if you want a calm, happy PET and COMPANION or a stud and all that goes with it. To me there is only one choice, but it is your choice and your life. All the luck and keep us posted!  PS I would truly like to hear back from you in a few years if you don't have him neutered, I like to keep up with things like this and see how it all turns out in the future, I hope you keep in touch through this site, give that boy a kiss from me!

I take care of a colony of former feral cats. Most of them were neutered in their first year, before they had chance to mate. One of the older toms had been on the streets for a long time and is actually the father of some of the other cats. I haven't noticed any difference in his behaviour compared to the other neutered cats. 

I guess a lot of it is down to personality. In spite of being a typical tom cat, getting into fights and defending his territory before neutering, he's a very gentle boy at heart. He is actually a lot less likely to get into a fight than some of the other cats who were fixed before they reached sexual maturity. He doesn't yowl or bother the girls and he's very gentle with the kittens I rescued after I took him in. He doesn't spray, although he did before he was fixed. One of the other male cats who was fixed when he was 6 months old does sometimes spray indoors.

The main difference is that the smell of a fixed male cat is nowhere near as bad as that of a tom. It's a lot easier to clean up too. (I'm sure tom cat pee could be used in chemical warfare because OMG, it is eye-watering!)

One more thing you need to take into consideration. Breeding pedigree cats is a fine art. You need to know exactly what genes you are passing on to the next generation. You want to make sure that you are going to end up with healthy kittens and not pass on any health problems. You say your boy is a Scottish Fold? Maybe you could take a look at this thread and read some of the articles it contains links to.

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/318968/why-are-scottish-folds-still-bred

You don't want to end up with kittens that have a painful genetic condition.

Norachan said:

I take care of a colony of former feral cats. Most of them were neutered in their first year, before they had chance to mate. One of the older toms had been on the streets for a long time and is actually the father of some of the other cats. I haven't noticed any difference in his behaviour compared to the other neutered cats. 

I guess a lot of it is down to personality. In spite of being a typical tom cat, getting into fights and defending his territory before neutering, he's a very gentle boy at heart. He is actually a lot less likely to get into a fight than some of the other cats who were fixed before they reached sexual maturity. He doesn't yowl or bother the girls and he's very gentle with the kittens I rescued after I took him in. He doesn't spray, although he did before he was fixed. One of the other male cats who was fixed when he was 6 months old does sometimes spray indoors.

The main difference is that the smell of a fixed male cat is nowhere near as bad as that of a tom. It's a lot easier to clean up too. (I'm sure tom cat pee could be used in chemical warfare because OMG, it is eye-watering!)

One more thing you need to take into consideration. Breeding pedigree cats is a fine art. You need to know exactly what genes you are passing on to the next generation. You want to make sure that you are going to end up with healthy kittens and not pass on any health problems. You say your boy is a Scottish Fold? Maybe you could take a look at this thread and read some of the articles it contains links to.

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/318968/why-are-scottish-folds-still-bred

You don't want to end up with kittens that have a painful genetic condition.

hno:

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Yes I have some knowledge about Scottish fold breeding and I will not do it without consulting a vet. As I explained before, my cat is very easy going and he is not spraying or showing any heat symptoms. I hope his behaviors don't change after mating. I am rejecting people who want their cats to mate with mine with this fear. I am being emotional but I will postpone neutering him as long as possible. I am also afraid that my boy may develop kidney problems after neutering him because he had fludt twice in a year when he was 6 month old old and one year old. Protein levels in his urine were high (like 1 g/liter) he also had crystals in his urine. He is on hills c/d for a few months now. I continue to feed with this prescription food because I am obsessed with him and I am tired of paying thousands of dollars for his check ups and tests. He had a check up 3 times in year and a lot of tests between check ups. I have nothing in my hand. No illness, no diagnosis. Vets just prescribed c/d cat food and that is it. I wanted to find out if he has a kidney problems but they can not diagnose it unless a good percentage of kidney failure occurs. Maybe it is just me who is overreacting but this is also why I am not looking forward to neutering him.

Thank you all for your help

charliemio said:

Yes I have some knowledge about Scottish fold breeding and I will not do it without consulting a vet. As I explained before, my cat is very easy going and he is not spraying or showing any heat symptoms. I hope his behaviors don't change after mating. I am rejecting people who want their cats to mate with mine with this fear. I am being emotional but I will postpone neutering him as long as possible. I am also afraid that my boy may develop kidney problems after neutering him because he had fludt twice in a year when he was 6 month old old and one year old. Protein levels in his urine were high (like 1 g/liter) he also had crystals in his urine. He is on hills c/d for a few months now. I continue to feed with this prescription food because I am obsessed with him and I am tired of paying thousands of dollars for his check ups and tests. He had a check up 3 times in year and a lot of tests between check ups. I have nothing in my hand. No illness, no diagnosis. Vets just prescribed c/d cat food and that is it. I wanted to find out if he has a kidney problems but they can not diagnose it unless a good percentage of kidney failure occurs. Maybe it is just me who is overreacting but this is also why I am not looking forward to neutering him.

Thank you all for your help

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If he is not in excellent health, aka prone to FLUTD, I would also reconsider mating him.

charliemio said:

Yes I have some knowledge about Scottish fold breeding and I will not do it without consulting a vet. As I explained before, my cat is very easy going and he is not spraying or showing any heat symptoms.

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For the record again, male cats do NOT go into heat. Only female cats do. Male cats, are always ready to mate. There is no "cycle".

Same as human males 

sivyaleah said:

 
For the record again, male cats do NOT go into heat. Only female cats do. Male cats, are always ready to mate. There is no "cycle".

Same as human males 

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That's not exactly correct.  
Although, For your last assumption.  If you gave a human male a choice of growing up, and being altered in ONE of two ways?  I guarantee you he won't be scratching anything.

Human males have a strong emotional attachment to their man bits . But as far as health goes, there has been quite a lot of research done on eunuchs (which was a very common thing in the past, sometimes done voluntarily!), and they usually lived longer and were healthier than uncastrated men. So if it were a logical decision. . .:lol3:.

I'm not sure many people would choose to have their fingers cut off at the first knuckle. I knew a guy who blew his right index fingertip off with a firecracker when he was a kid, and he still finds it to be a real nuisance, 50 years later. It's hard for him to write, handle things, etc., especially now that he's developing arthritis. It would be a real disability to lose all 10 fingertips. If that's what you were hinting at .

Males don't go into heat, although they do tend to get a bit of "spring fever" around January-April or so, because that's when the females tend to go into heat, at least around here. But they definitely are ready to go at any time!

BassCat said:

That's not exactly correct.  

Although, For your last assumption.  If you gave a human male a choice of growing up, and being altered in ONE of two ways?  I guarantee you he won't be scratching anything.

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A. When was the last time you saw a guy have his period? Do you not understand how that all works? I'd be happy to point you to some good health sites which will explain the birds and the bees to you so that you understand fully.
B. We are not talking about men being altered. I never even brought that up. I am discussing the ability of the male body to be ready to procreate all the time. Any time of day. Any time of night. Any day of the month or year. Females are not able to do this. There is too much internal bodily preparation required to be able to properly carry their offspring.

sivyaleah said:

A. When was the last time you saw a guy have his period? Do you not understand how that all works? I'd be happy to point you to some good health sites which will explain the birds and the bees to you so that you understand fully.
B. We are not talking about men being altered. I never even brought that up. I am discussing the ability of the male body to be ready to procreate all the time. Any time of day. Any time of night. Any day of the month or year. Females are not able to do this. There is too much internal bodily preparation required to be able to properly carry their offspring.

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Do you mean a public viewing? 
I think I understand?
Links please, just in case.

This may be wrong, but, I don't think a male cat will try to mate a female cat that is NOT in heat.  Thus, there is a cycle.   (males of all species "get incredibly brave, stupid, and all other sorts of strange behavior" once a year).  Once a year.  
They may be equipped to mate, but, the are not always READY to mate.

The OP's Scottish Fold male isn't going to run around, every day,  trying to mate, yowling, and just generally acting crazy.  Unless, there is reason for him to.   HE will ONLY act that way because of a female.  And not just any female.  A ready female. 
So, unless there's an endless supply of female cats in heat paraded through her house?  She's probably good on that behavior.  

BassCat said:

Do you mean a public viewing? 

I think I understand?

Links please, just in case.


This may be wrong, but, I don't think a male cat will try to mate a female cat that is NOT in heat.  Thus, there is a cycle.   (males of all species "get incredibly brave, stupid, and all other sorts of strange behavior" once a year).  Once a year.  

They may be equipped to mate, but, the are not always READY to mate.   

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Female cats can get pregnant when they aren't in heat. They absolutely will mate a female any time. It's also not a cycle, because they are ready to go whenever they find a female. There is nothing internal.

Unspayed adult female cats are basically always in heat, when they aren't pregnant (in their natural state, they're almost always pregnant :/). It's called "induced ovulation" if you want to look it up. That means that the act of mating makes them ovulate, which means that their body has to be ready to get pregnant. There are certain cycles to this process but that's how cats do it. Induced ovulation is not the usual way among mammals. Cats are kind of special that way.

But anyway, YES a tom will mate with a female who isn't in active heat, and will even take her by force. Tomcats are not gentlemen.

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean by males having strange behavior once a year. Is that a cultural thing somewhere? Definitely not scientific.

I hate being trolled about anatomy 

sivyaleah said:

 
I hate being trolled about anatomy 

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Apologies for the trolling.  I stand corrected.

Getting your cat fixed will not disable him, and in the long run it will increase his lifespan and his happiness. If your true concern is his health and he is an indoor cat, don't fix him. But if you actually don't want to get him fixed because you  want to see his babies, that's not a reason for the betterment of the cat. 

Willowy said:

I haven't the slightest idea what you mean by males having strange behavior once a year. Is that a cultural thing somewhere? Definitely not scientific.

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Sorry, for some reason I was thinking of wild animals.  Deer, Elk, Fish, Bobcats, Lynx, etc (well, not rabbits I guess )
  And when they usually mate, which is usually a predictable date range being the same each year.

My only experience with cats would be somewhat feral cats.   (Barn cats is what we called them).   They yowled loud enough to keep you awake at night, but, this wasn't a year round thing.

BassCat said:

This may be wrong, but, I don't think a male cat will try to mate a female cat that is NOT in heat.   

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Actually, some of my neutered male cats have sex with some of the spayed females. They don't all have sex with all of the females, but there are a few "couples" who regularly do. 

 

These cats were all fixed before they were six months old (although one of the females was already pregnant by then)