help me ID my kittys breed

(it wasnt that cold in the snow dont worry)

So this is thorki. We think hes Siamese lynx point or thai but we can't figure it out for sure. Any help would be great!

Also

No he isnt siamese mix. But he may be a point anyways, a combo of the siamese point and the burmanese point.  Giving as a result rather dark cats (they are born fair, but darken up already as kittens).  Their eyes arent always blue unlike  siamese mixes, because the burmanese point gene doesnt carry blue eyes.

And yes, there is an old type siamese variation, whom ar build on such a combo.  But he hasnt no old type siamese looks either, so he is a true mix with unknown parentage...   These point genes may be quite far away, even 50 generations.

Domestic mix, Lynx point of the siamese and burmanese cross type, something like that.    Not very common, but here you are!

A beautiful cat to be proud about... 

Maybe a Somali? They are also red like your baby.

He is more grey ashy than red. We just don't know where that fluff comes from!

There is a similiar cat to yours in a parallelltread roughly "is he a Ragdoll mix?"  please look and compare.

@thorkismom

Without knowing his ancestry, he would be considered a Domestic Longhair (DLH). It's a little hard to tell from the pictures if he's truly a pointed cat. What color are his eyes?

The pointed gene pattern is interesting. Basically it causes the cooler areas (points) to be darker than the rest of the fur. So face, ears, legs, tail will be darker. As cats age the cool areas frequently expand and you may end up with a cat whose body is dark as well as the points. Pointed patterns occur in many different breeds. All siamese are pointed cats, but not all pointed cats are siamese. Also, all pointed cats have blue eyes (according to CFA judges), but not all blue-eyed cats are pointed.

StefanZ , I'm not sure what you mean by burmanese breed. I'm only really familiar with the breeds recognized by CFA, and that is not one of them. If you mean Birman, they are pointed cats and must have blue eyes to be shown. If you mean Burmese, the faces and ears may be darker than the body, but they are not considered pointed cats.

GoldyCat said:

Without knowing his ancestry, he would be considered a Domestic Longhair (DLH). It's a little hard to tell from the pictures if he's truly a pointed cat. What color are his eyes?

The pointed gene pattern is interesting. Basically it causes the cooler areas (points) to be darker than the rest of the fur. So face, ears, legs, tail will be darker. As cats age the cool areas frequently expand and you may end up with a cat whose body is dark as well as the points. Pointed patterns occur in many different breeds. All siamese are pointed cats, but not all pointed cats are siamese. Also, all pointed cats have blue eyes (according to CFA judges), but not all blue-eyed cats are pointed.

@StefanZ, I'm not sure what you mean by burmanese breed. I'm only really familiar with the breeds recognized by CFA, and that is not one of them. If you mean Birman, they are pointed cats and must have blue eyes to be shown. If you mean Burmese, the faces and ears may be darker than the body, but they are not considered pointed cats.

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Burmese, right.  Tx for the correct spelling.  

I'm not sure what you mean by burmanese breed. I'm only really familiar with the breeds recognized by CFA, and that is not one of them. If you mean Birman, they are pointed cats and must have blue eyes to be shown. If you mean Burmese, the faces and ears may be darker than the body, but they are not considered pointed cats.

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But it would still he the point gene that causes the pattern!

GoldyCat said:

 If you mean Burmese, the faces and ears may be darker than the body, but they are not considered pointed cats.

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KKoerner said:

But it would still he the point gene that causes the pattern!

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Yes, as the Bumese too carry a masque / point gene, although different than the siamese-type.

I was pondering how to explain in a good way,...

It is true, we dont talk much about burmese being points.  In fact, their pointed places arent much darker, its really just the face which is darker, which face is masqued.

Somewhere there it dawned on me, it may be a misunderstanding / langual mix up.   In Swedish we usually say the masque, masqued cats, masque gene.  So for us its no trouble seeing they siamese and burmese are the same although different.

Saying colorpoint gene is an anglicism in Swedish.  That label happens also to be a nice pedagogical device, as the pointed parts of body does darken up.  At least in the siamese type of  masque-gene...  

So, what I meant, is the masque gene.  Which also in the most common cases,  = of siamese mixes, may be called for point gene.

One alone of them is recessive and non visible on the cat. All other genes are stronger.  They masque genes need to be doubled up, be two, a pair, show up on the cats appearance.

But once done, once double, they become pretty strong!

The riddle is, the siamese masque gene and the burmese masque gene, although different genes, they are able to cooperate and become a pair.   When both are present in the cat individual, they couple up, and make the cat´s outside and skin into a masqued cat. (In american english usually called for a pointed cat)   The cat becomes usually darker on body than a typical "siamese" mix, often already as half grown kitten. Their eyes may be bluish, but often arent.

Its easy to miss them, if you dont know such a combination is fully possible,  although not very common, isnt unique.

So, many atypical points, are really such a combo