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Today the Electoral College members cast their ballots to make Donald Trump's victory official!

 

What an amazing day! On election night, most of the people close to me were traveling and, with the insane media bias projecting a 95% change of victory for Hillary Clinton, I decided not to watch any election coverage. I turned off the TV, blacklisted any ads or news referrals on my browser, and spent the night watching a movie with Buddy and playing Rocket League. :D

 

When I woke up the next day and behold, an Election Day miracle! A resounding, thundering victory, despite all the bias, despite all the cheating by the Clinton Campaign, despite the widespread shaming and bullying by those who opposed Trump, and despite the insistence by pollsters and "analysts" that Clinton had between a 90 and 95% chance of winning.

 

Now, as the Electoral College confirms Trump as our President and Commander-In-Chief, the markets are BOOMING, there is widespread optimism, and the Fed just the country is "entering the strongest job market in nearly a decade."

 

What a fantastic day for Americans! Congratulations to my fellow Trump voters, and let's hope our new president has the strength and resolve to undo decades of policies that have been harmful to us, the citizens of this great country!!

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I do hope that you are right.  I am kind of in the middle on it.  I do  not believe all the grimness from the people that still don't accept his victory.  They are protesting a caricature not a real person.  He is such an unknown when it comes to political office.  I am very cautiously optimistic.

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I am happy too, we needed SOMETHING to change and we sure got it! Thank you Plan for finally having something positive about president elect Trump. I, too, can't believe how destructive and mean the losers are being. I truly believe that most of 'hate' crimes and graffiti is by the Clinton supporters trying to spread their hate and blaming Trump. There have been several discredited already, one young Muslim girl is being prosecuted for giving false reports to the police. I wish all this would just stop, they have to accept the change and try to get along as AMERICANS,  not democrats or republicans. After all, we just went through 8 years of their choice, and I didn't go around burning the flag and destroying other people's property all under the guise of 'protesting'. It's been way too much of crying wolf, I don't believe much of what they are saying at all now. As for WikiLeak giving out those E-mails, they WERE the truth, they WERE the Clinton campaigns E-mails, they just couldn't hack into the Republicans E-mails to release them. So what are they protesting? Russian involvement? They have to prove it wasn't one of the many countries that hate us. If it was Russia, they will be dealt with,  it's not Trumps place yet,,,,,not the slap on the hand that Obama always gives out, remember our servicemen made to kneel? Where was the Washington Post then? Always remember, a spoken word cannot be proved, a written word never dies.  Give Trump a chance and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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I am thrilled. I stayed up to watch his speech election night. It was fantastic. 

 

I am shocked (and pleased) that this did not turn out to be another "it's doomsday" thread. Obama is leaving and Hillary lost. It's the most wonderful time in 8 years. 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/us/politics/electoral-college-vote.html

 

Donald Trump is up to 215 in the electoral college.  So far there have been two faithless electors both of the Hillary Clinton electors.  One voted for Bernie Sanders.  The other one was also a Bernie supporter and said he could not vote for Hillary Clinton so  he was replaced.  

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I am thrilled. I stayed up to watch his speech election night. It was fantastic. 

 

I am shocked (and pleased) that this did not turn out to be another "it's doomsday" thread. Obama is leaving and Hillary lost. It's the most wonderful time in 8 years. 

 

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I am happy too, we needed SOMETHING to change and we sure got it! Thank you Plan for finally having something positive about president elect Trump. I, too, can't believe how destructive and mean the losers are being. I truly believe that most of 'hate' crimes and graffiti is by the Clinton supporters trying to spread their hate and blaming Trump. There have been several discredited already, one young Muslim girl is being prosecuted for giving false reports to the police. I wish all this would just stop, they have to accept the change and try to get along as AMERICANS,  not democrats or republicans. After all, we just went through 8 years of their choice, and I didn't go around burning the flag and destroying other people's property all under the guise of 'protesting'. It's been way too much of crying wolf, I don't believe much of what they are saying at all now. As for WikiLeak giving out those E-mails, they WERE the truth, they WERE the Clinton campaigns E-mails, they just couldn't hack into the Republicans E-mails to release them. So what are they protesting? Russian involvement? They have to prove it wasn't one of the many countries that hate us. If it was Russia, they will be dealt with,  it's not Trumps place yet,,,,,not the slap on the hand that Obama always gives out, remember our servicemen made to kneel? Where was the Washington Post then? Always remember, a spoken word cannot be proved, a written word never dies.  Give Trump a chance and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

 

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I do hope that you are right.  I am kind of in the middle on it.  I do  not believe all the grimness from the people that still don't accept his victory.  They are protesting a caricature not a real person.  He is such an unknown when it comes to political office.  I am very cautiously optimistic.


For 8 years Obama has led with idealism and a vision of human culture that doesn't exist in reality. Donald J Trump is a businessman and his cabinet reflects that and his promise to keep us safer. I used safer because no one can promise an absolute. I hope on Trumps vision of the US he also remembers compassion and humility. This is the first time in 16 years I feel we have been spoken to instead of spoken at. I have listened to Trump the same way I did Clinton and Obama. Hillary reminded me so much of someone who promises the world but never delivers. Trump isn't about giving he's about making the opportunity available. Obama had 7 years to buckle down and fix the ACA before it reached the death spiral its in now. I LMAO over Trump tweeting for the Chinese to just keep the drone. I did the exact same thing to my lousy relatives over thousands of dollars of livestock and tools they stole. It's one of the worst slaps in the face you can deal.

I was called a cheeto snowflake yesterday for suggesting the HRC supporters knock it off. As much as I despise Obama I never questioned the election and if HRC hadn't used that server the Russians wouldn't have had anything to play with. I'm big on looking for the root cause of a problem. Time to work together and remember Trump is not a textbook Republican. Congress will balk on both sides and it's up to we the people together to whip them forward.

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So is the vote ready yet?
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Might as well let the Chinese keep it.  They got the info they needed to build their own might as well just keep  the thing.  We have let the Chinese get away with way to much.  I liked one idea that I heard last week from a retired officer.  Take two or three warships and sit them in the Straits where we consider it to be international waters and they consider it to be their own.  Don't do anything just sit there letting them know that we consider it to  be international waters.

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Might as well let the Chinese keep it.  They got the info they needed to build their own might as well just keep  the thing.  We have let the Chinese get away with way to much.  I liked one idea that I heard last week from a retired officer.  Take two or three warships and sit them in the Straits where we consider it to be international waters and they consider it to be their own.  Don't do anything just sit there letting them know that we consider it to  be international waters.


I don't think it was even a classified drone. This was a pissy act by the Chinese and Trump ( not yet the president) set the tone. Meanwhile we can't shop without bolstering up the Chinese economy. We have become, and it is far from just Obama's fault, China's female dog. Let the Chinese govt. look like fools standing there holding their spoils that no one wants.

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So is the vote ready yet?

It is finished in 43 states.  Right now it is 259 for Trump and 166 for Clinton.  There is still just the two Hillary electors that have been faithless and only one has affected the tally.  There is supposed to be one faithless Trump elector in Texas, I don't know if Texas is in the count or not.  They were hoping for some in Arizona but it went unanimous for Trump.  This was like the recounts a lot of noise with no substance.  Unfortunately it was a way to keep all of the rancor of this election going for awhile.

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Donald Trump just went over 270.  He is now officially the President-elect.

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Even though I am a pinko liberal who voted for Hillary, I have to say I'm enjoying everyone's happiness in this thread.    It actually brings back memories - I felt this way after Obama was first elected in 2008.  Now the shoe is on the other foot! :)   I really hope your optimism is justified!      

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Donald Trump just went over 270.  He is now officially the President-elect.


I could not be happier.  The left may be upset, but we have been upset for 8 years.  The GOP betrayed us time and time again while Obama rammed his agenda through so we elected a business man with no relation to political ambitions until now.  He will either make or break us - but in my heart of hearts I know he will do what is right by those that supported him.  Buh bye Barack.

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I could not be happier.  The left may be upset, but we have been upset for 8 years.  The GOP betrayed us time and time again while Obama rammed his agenda through so we elected a business man with no relation to political ambitions until now.  He will either make or break us - but in my heart of hearts I know he will do what is right by those that supported him.  Buh bye Barack.

Trump is not a Republican. He's not a Democrat. Hardline Tea Party nuts are going to have to realize that and I hope the Democrats realize this is not a total loss.

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Then I hope things go smoothly and Trump learns to how to communicate without causing issues in his new job. Things are not very stable in a world at the moment and it would be important to build bridges now.

Job teaches very quickly, it has been so with every profession and I think he is different man after 4 years.

US can't do alone much to China, as China is too big, whole world would need to start working on something that puts some sense to this huge transportation of stuff around the globe.

For example here, one electrical component in shop costs 15 euros, while exactly same component costs less than 1 euro delivered to home from China, it is same everywhere, only way I can figure out to fix that would be putting some kind of minimum global tax to transportation of goods which would be based on distance, it would help a lot with ecological goals too, but I'm afraid making money for some is more important than making world to last longer.
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His proposals are definitely from both sides.  My biggest concern is his ideas that are going to run up the national debt further.  His ideas on trade are directly from Bernie Sanders playbook.  The 35 percent tariff on products made by U.S  companies in factories that they have moved overseas, that is word for word what Bernie Sanders proposed.  Stopping all this silly nation building overseas goes against what both parties have advocated.  All of the unfunded infrastructure building, that is right from the Democrat's playbook.  He is completely different.  He breaks the mold completely and he isn't beholden to either party.  He may be the darling of the Republicans now but most of them could not get enough distance from him during the election.  He sunk 66 million of his own money into his campaign which was run on a shoestring by today's standards, no big donors.  He owes no one anything.  We shall see what happens.

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Trump is not a Republican. He's not a Democrat. Hardline Tea Party nuts are going to have to realize that and I hope the Democrats realize this is not a total loss.

 

 

One of things I find hopeful is Trump's  plan to put people to work upgrading the nation's infrastructure.  Putting aside for the moment how we'll pay for this,  such upgrades are desperately needed.  Democrats did bring up an attempt to do this previously but the Tea Party successfully blocked it.  So,  yes, I'm really hoping something happens with respect to infrastructure upgrades.  We really shouldn't wait for bridges to actually collapse during rush hour before we spend the money to fix them.   

 

I also have a friend who has worked in the Democratic party for years and who is hopeful that Trump will do something about trade agreements that have not benefitted the US.  Since I don't know much about the subject, I don't have much to say on it. I do respect his opinion though.  Also, from my uneducated perspective,  it does seem that some of these trade agreements have done more harm than good to the US and it would be nice to see that change.

 

Anyway, we'll see.  I have to admit I am more worried than happy about Trump being president but I am hoping some things will improve.  It's just all the things that I'm afraid will get worse that concern me, but maybe I'll confine those worries to the other Trump threads.  It's a shame that we can't have one thread for everyone to give their opinions - some of my favorite people are here!

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Then I hope things go smoothly and Trump learns to how to communicate without causing issues in his new job. Things are not very stable in a world at the moment and it would be important to build bridges now.

Job teaches very quickly, it has been so with every profession and I think he is different man after 4 years.

US can't do alone much to China, as China is too big, whole world would need to start working on something that puts some sense to this huge transportation of stuff around the globe.

For example here, one electrical component in shop costs 15 euros, while exactly same component costs less than 1 euro delivered to home from China, it is same everywhere, only way I can figure out to fix that would be putting some kind of minimum global tax to transportation of goods which would be based on distance, it would help a lot with ecological goals too, but I'm afraid making money for some is more important than making world to last longer.

Manufacturing jobs are going to evolve and change. What we are doing is leaving millions unemployed and losing their job skills. Most of our trade deals are lopsided. It should not be that much cheaper to buy from another country. However parts shipped over to be used to manufacture can allow your countries businesses to compete in the global market. So it's not a size fits all. Society benefits when people have jobs. Nothing is going to make the world last longer and be at peace than domestic stability everywhere. The answer is not low wage jobs supplemented by government entitlements like welfare and food stamps.

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One of things I find hopeful is Trump's  plan to put people to work upgrading the nation's infrastructure.  Putting aside for the moment how we'll pay for this,  such upgrades are desperately needed.  Democrats did bring up an attempt to do this previously but the Tea Party successfully blocked it.  So,  yes, I'm really hoping something happens with respect to infrastructure upgrades.  We really shouldn't wait for bridges to actually collapse during rush hour before we spend the money to fix them.   

 

I also have a friend who has worked in the Democratic party for years and who is hopeful that Trump will do something about trade agreements that have not benefitted the US.  Since I don't know much about the subject, I don't have much to say on it. I do respect his opinion though.  Also, from my uneducated perspective,  it does seem that some of these trade agreements have done more harm than good to the US and it would be nice to see that change.

 

Anyway, we'll see.  I have to admit I am more worried than happy about Trump being president but I am hoping some things will improve.  It's just all the things that I'm afraid will get worse that concern me, but maybe I'll confine those worries to the other Trump threads.  It's a shame that we can't have one thread for everyone to give their opinions - some of my favorite people are here!


Infrastructure and the jobs and JOB SKILLS it will give workers is worth the heavy investment. The shovel ready jobs from Obama debt gave us doors on historic homes and a park in Albuquerque that is situated so that it houses nothing but transients. I appreciate the skill it took to build those doors but it didn't really help anyone but the one artist. This is just one example. It's going to be different and new things always feel odd. Expect Trump to soften where he has to and beef it up where it's going to count. I have pointed out numerous times that Trump has written the playbook for a third party candidate to run and WIN. and in many ways that's what he is. The press on both sides needs to be taken to the woodshed for a good 2x4ing.

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I am beyond pleased with the results of this election!!!  Although Trump wasn't my first choice, Dr. Ben Carson was.  But I was very annoyed with Carson's "let's see how far we can go with this" attitude.  I was disappointed when he dropped out but very displeased that he just gave up.  I was afraid to vote for Trump simply because I thought he needed to show more restraint than he was.  But you have to remember, he is NOT a politician, which is exactly why I voted for Ross Perot back in 92.   I didn't want another career politician this go around either.  And I had had enough of the downward spiral toward socialism and communism our country was taking under Obama as well as the destruction of the middle class.  The middle class are the buyers which keep the economy stimulated and more cash flow available. 

 

So I voted for Trump, and like Plan, I refused to watch the returns because the MSM and even Fox predicted HRC would win.  I just didn't want to stay up for that.  I was shocked to find out the next morning that Trump had won, despite all the lies perpetuated by the media.  I was still wary of him and hoped he would simmer down.  

 

In the past weeks since the election, I think he has proved that he will simmer down and do the job we've called him to do, as evidenced by working tirelessly to keep jobs here in our country!  He has not stopped nor gone on vacation nor has he slowed down to rest on his laurels.  He is an action man!  That's what we need!  Not some crappy politician type who lies to us and tells us just what we want to hear to get our votes and then completely forget about us once they get in office and forgets all about those promises.  I think Trump will deliver what he has promised!  He'd better!  We need more jobs!  We need our economy to grow!!!  I think he may possibly be the best president we've ever had. I have long thought we desperately needed another Reagan.  Yet I did not like all the debt Reagan got us in.  Nor all the debt every president since, especially Obama, has got us in. 

 

I think also that all the mostly unjust (perhaps some of it just) criticism and name-calling slung Trump's way continually by the left, have only served to strengthen his resolve to protect and defend the USA in a way envisioned by our forefathers who were rebels - who escaped the tyranny of oppression from England for freedom in a new land. 

 

I also want our borders protected which is something even Bush didn't try to resolve, let alone address.  I couldn't believe why every president was just turning a blind eye to the situation!!!  And all these illegals that are running across the border - who are criminals in their land - need to be deposed immediately, they should not draw one single dime from us!!!!  DJT better make good on this promise!  He has spoken about it with such passion I fail to see how he can turn his back on that promise now.  But I await to see what he will do.  Overall, I'm thrilled that our country may well be on it's way back up - paying down our massive debt, eliminating criminal/fraudulent waste of the American taxpayer's money, creating more jobs, protecting our freedoms to own guns to protect ourselves, and properly punishing law breakers of all kinds, and filling the SCOTUS seats with decent judges.  

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I am thrilled. I stayed up to watch his speech election night. It was fantastic. 

 

I am shocked (and pleased) that this did not turn out to be another "it's doomsday" thread. Obama is leaving and Hillary lost. It's the most wonderful time in 8 years. 

Even though I voted 'for' Hillary Clinton I frankly have absolutely no use for her.  The one upside to this election is that the Clintons will very soon fade off into the sunset.  

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I could very well help to turn it into a doomsday thread. I'm utterly terrified for myself and my family and friends. But I won't go on because you all deserve to have your celebratory thread without hearing too much from the people who will be hurt.
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Even though I voted 'for' Hillary Clinton I frankly have absolutely no use for her.  The one upside to this election is that the Clintons will very soon fade off into the sunset.  


I would not bet on that.

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His proposals are definitely from both sides.  My biggest concern is his ideas that are going to run up the national debt further.  His ideas on trade are directly from Bernie Sanders playbook.  The 35 percent tariff on products made by U.S  companies in factories that they have moved overseas, that is word for word what Bernie Sanders proposed.  Stopping all this silly nation building overseas goes against what both parties have advocated.  All of the unfunded infrastructure building, that is right from the Democrat's playbook.  He is completely different.  He breaks the mold completely and he isn't beholden to either party.  He may be the darling of the Republicans now but most of them could not get enough distance from him during the election.  He sunk 66 million of his own money into his campaign which was run on a shoestring by today's standards, no big donors.  He owes no one anything.  We shall see what happens.


I'm concerned he will run up the debt further too.  That is a bleeding artery that just has to stop.  If I ran a household with $19 trillion worth of debt, how smart would it be to keep on spending money as though it would never end??? Not smart!!!  It doesn't work on the small scale and it sure as censor.gifdoesn't work on a national scale either.  Stop taking away my social security!!!  I've been in the work force for 40 years now and I better get my pay day.  I've put into it and I deserve it back!  

 

Anyway I'm hoping he does cut the horrible wasteful spending and stop giving illegals - especially the ones who are lawbreakers - any of our money!!! 

 

I like the fact that the career politician Reps didn't like Trump.  He's brash and he says what he means.  That's so unlike Washington and what needs to change.  Term limits for all!!!

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Being agnostic, of course I am a vocal critical of the church I escaped from.  Where are their good deeds?  Who wants to listen to anything they have to say while they are busy talking the talk but not walking the walk.  it is the CHURCH who needs to be the source of welfare in this country, NOT the government.  Imo, churches are too busy building their mansions to the sky, while they ignore feeding the poor, clothing the naked, and all the other good deeds that the book they say they believe in needs to be done.  So take away their tax exempt status!  If they won't follow their book, then tax them!!!  What preacher needs a censor.gif football stadium to give positive uplifting speeches in?  It's disgusting hypocrisy!!!  Jesus and company would be ashamed of them.  My mom's church was beautiful.  She used to fold bulletins there for each service.  On each one was the budget needs for each month.  Guess how much this church had to bring in just to stay afloat???  Around $120,000.00 per month!!!  Disgusting!!!  They kept adding on nice wings well equipped with video equipment and what not. 

 

Government needs to be limited.  They've become far to invested in our lives and in our back pockets.  Obama has tried to destroy the middle class and he's done very well with that.  I hope things turn around with Trump.  In the past 12 years, I've gotten only 1 paltry $1/hour raise, despite excellent evaluations every single year.  And the cost of living has continually gone up.  I've had to tighten the belt every which way.  My state taxes have gone sky high.  In the past 11 years my HOA fees have gone from $50/mo to $130/mo - and that's just one bill!!!  Everything has gone up, but my pay.  I deserve better.  Middle class are the worker bees.  Imagine a hive with only a queen and a bunch of sick bees laying there doing nothing.  And I'm NOT talking about those who truly need it - I'm talking about the lazy ones who won't work and cheat the system.  Anyway, how long would a hive survive?  It wouldn't.  That's what's been happening to our nation for far too long.  

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fist off I can't believe there are Trump supporters on here, from everything I've read, it's mostly anti-Trump. I can't wait to see what he's gonna do, I just hope the gov red tape doesn't stop him from doing some major things. This country was on a downhill track because the Dems didn't want to stand up for stuff like our security, hopefully that's one thing that will become better, making it more safe for the people that live in this country & keeping the crazies out.

 

There's a lot of personality issues I have with Trump but since the people voted him in, it is what it is.

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I gave a make up exam tonight for my grad students who missed the first test.  All six of them were crushed that the electors actually followed through and voted for Trump. There was never any doubt on my part, though.  

 

Nineteen of my colleagues in the political science department have started a pool on how long Trump will last. I'm tempted to throw in some money of my own because the prize is close to ten grand.

 

The only solace I can take in a Trump presidency is the entertainment value.

 

I personally think Trump is a narcissistic, bigoted man who managed to strike a chord in a lot of angry people who felt disenfranchised.  I'm curious to see how those same people feel in a year or two.

 

As incompatible as I see our principles, I hope he proves me wrong and is a successful president.

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fist off I can't believe there are Trump supporters on here, from everything I've read, it's mostly anti-Trump. I can't wait to see what he's gonna do, I just hope the gov red tape doesn't stop him from doing some major things. This country was on a downhill track because the Dems didn't want to stand up for stuff like our security, hopefully that's one thing that will become better, making it more safe for the people that live in this country & keeping the crazies out.

 

There's a lot of personality issues I have with Trump but since the people voted him in, it is what it is.

Lots of Trump supporters just shut up because we got tired of being called racist bigots. The liberals shut down the right to speak without being attacked but they couldn't shut down the right to vote. Which we did and won in spite of the wailing about HRC winning the popular vote. Get ready to defend the electoral college folks or the only people who will decide every election are the wanna be elites on either coast. No taxation without representation. I heard that in relation to some ridiculous argument and I still don't know how it ties into Trump being elected. If there is no electoral college there is no fair representation. I don't want my life dictated to by a mess of Californians..

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I'm concerned he will run up the debt further too.  That is a bleeding artery that just has to stop.  If I ran a household with $19 trillion worth of debt, how smart would it be to keep on spending money as though it would never end??? Not smart!!!  It doesn't work on the small scale and it sure as censor.gifdoesn't work on a national scale either.  Stop taking away my social security!!!  I've been in the work force for 40 years now and I better get my pay day.  I've put into it and I deserve it back!  

 

Anyway I'm hoping he does cut the horrible wasteful spending and stop giving illegals - especially the ones who are lawbreakers - any of our money!!! 

 

I like the fact that the career politician Reps didn't like Trump.  He's brash and he says what he means.  That's so unlike Washington and what needs to change.  Term limits for all!!!

The debt is going to have to go up substantially to get things rolling. 

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What an odd thread..but people have the right to their opinions. I think Trump is a terrible human being. This is just another opportunity for his family to make $$$ and branding his name even more. When i saw that he had won i felt a great sense of dread since im a minority female. We seem to be going backwards in values, not modern and progressive...I hope he does better than expected or doesn't have the competence to do much since he jsut likes to spew words. But then again his children are doing all the work so...
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