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post #4021 of 4031

I know it might seem sophomoric to even think it, but our health should be addressed by CARING people, not BUSINESSMEN/WOMEN working for corporatocracy to fund their high-end lifestyles and cars.  This is why I don't trust allopathic practitioners and will not go to them except for a life-or-death issue I can't deal with myself.  We need to be able to go to a caring doctor when we need to.  Otherwise, no.  No more 15-minute evaluations, no more unneeded tests that cost $$$, no more everyone being on drugs, no more running to doctor after doctor just because we are told this is "normal".  IT IS NOT NORMAL.  We need to practice personal preventive health care, take personal responsibility for our diet/lifestyle to keep ourselves well, and stop being extorted by an industry where the bill keeps going through the roof.  Then, just about everyone will be able to afford the health care they NEED.  Most people here will probably disagree with me, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

post #4022 of 4031
Tarasgirl06

~ I think most would agree with you. Too much common sense there for most politicians to understand.
It seems many on this thread have the same basic idea. Medicare for all. Adjust the deductible and co-pay for those who want lower premiums. A system that is already in place with coding and payments accepted by almost all hospitals and physicians.
Who knows - that may be next ?
post #4023 of 4031
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I know it might seem sophomoric to even think it, but our health should be addressed by CARING people, not BUSINESSMEN/WOMEN working for corporatocracy to fund their high-end lifestyles and cars.  This is why I don't trust allopathic practitioners and will not go to them except for a life-or-death issue I can't deal with myself.  We need to be able to go to a caring doctor when we need to.  Otherwise, no.  No more 15-minute evaluations, no more unneeded tests that cost $$$, no more everyone being on drugs, no more running to doctor after doctor just because we are told this is "normal".  IT IS NOT NORMAL.  We need to practice personal preventive health care, take personal responsibility for our diet/lifestyle to keep ourselves well, and stop being extorted by an industry where the bill keeps going through the roof.  Then, just about everyone will be able to afford the health care they NEED.  Most people here will probably disagree with me, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.


That is the most basic and needed part of healthcare and what is being taken away by the current ACA and not showing signs of being understood by the current administration.

Both the republicans and the democrats have had 7 solid years to fix the mess that was made.

post #4024 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post

Everyone helped under the ACA could have been helped with the expansion of medicade. The ACA was a way to dump that expansion on everyone. The same with pre-existing conditions. It's obvious that for profit healthcare was the wrong direction to move to help them.

I don't think expanding Medicaid would have helped many of the people covered by ACA.

There are a lot of people who make too much to meet the Medicaid guidelines, and so received subsidies to pay the premiums. They had trouble paying the deductibles, but there was some level of catastrophic care coverage.

Then, there are the many (formerly) middle-class people who earned too much for subsidies, and were stuck with huge premiums and huge deductibles.

Neither group would qualify for Medicaid under the means-based testing currently used for eligibility.

I believe ACA originally included a "public option" that looked like a Medicare type plan. Too many representatives did not accept this, so it was dropped so ACA could get passed.

Given the state of politics and the American election process, a solution will only be achieved if Congress could somehow work together.

We believe these people should govern. That involves negotiations and compromise, and coming up with solutions that benefit the American people as a whole.

Unfortunately, the election process seems to produce many representatives who are unwilling or unable to negotiate or compromise. They appear to have campaigned and won their seats on extremely limited platforms. These platforms seem to be so narrow that even considering compromise is impossible.

I'm still wishing that there might be a centrist group in Congress that could work across party lines and fashion a plan that would work for the people. I don't think that's going to happen because they are all too frightened of the next election.

We need our elected representatives to "grow a pair" and do the right thing(s). Everything now is based on winners and losers, and finding the middle is not even a goal.

Too many people won't (and cannot) quit their jobs because health care is still linked to employment. Health care is still unaffordable for those who need to pay premiums without the support offered by larger employers.

The plan that failed to come to a vote today would not have fixed ACA or the overall health care system.

I don't know the answers, just that politics is too polarized, and nothing ever gets done. I feel sad about the state of our country.

I worry about the future.
post #4025 of 4031
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I don't think expanding Medicaid would have helped many of the people covered by ACA.

There are a lot of people who make too much to meet the Medicaid guidelines, and so received subsidies to pay the premiums. They had trouble paying the deductibles, but there was some level of catastrophic care coverage.

Then, there are the many (formerly) middle-class people who earned too much for subsidies, and were stuck with huge premiums and huge deductibles.

Neither group would qualify for Medicaid under the means-based testing currently used for eligibility.

I believe ACA originally included a "public option" that looked like a Medicare type plan. Too many representatives did not accept this, so it was dropped so ACA could get passed.

Given the state of politics and the American election process, a solution will only be achieved if Congress could somehow work together.

We believe these people should govern. That involves negotiations and compromise, and coming up with solutions that benefit the American people as a whole.

Unfortunately, the election process seems to produce many representatives who are unwilling or unable to negotiate or compromise. They appear to have campaigned and won their seats on extremely limited platforms. These platforms seem to be so narrow that even considering compromise is impossible.

I'm still wishing that there might be a centrist group in Congress that could work across party lines and fashion a plan that would work for the people. I don't think that's going to happen because they are all too frightened of the next election.

We need our elected representatives to "grow a pair" and do the right thing(s). Everything now is based on winners and losers, and finding the middle is not even a goal.

Too many people won't (and cannot) quit their jobs because health care is still linked to employment. Health care is still unaffordable for those who need to pay premiums without the support offered by larger employers.

The plan that failed to come to a vote today would not have fixed ACA or the overall health care system.

I don't know the answers, just that politics is too polarized, and nothing ever gets done. I feel sad about the state of our country.

I worry about the future.


I don't know why anyone thinks that have your employer pick up part of the premium means you have a great policy.  I also knew a lot of people who were able to buy a policy privately for under 500 per month that included their children and it had comparable coverage to what we used to get through employers.  What happened today is not because Trump is a failure but because Obama was. The plan was flawed start to finish. There is no reset button. The ACA was very good for profits in the health industry and pharmaceuticals Both parties had 7 solid years to derail the train wreck coming and both sides politicized it. Paul Ryan should be run out of congress on a rail. Manipulative little twerp. Trump understands business deals because the are based on common sense. Not so with government it's about sticking it to your opponent.

post #4026 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post


I don't know why anyone thinks that have your employer pick up part of the premium means you have a great policy.  I also knew a lot of people who were able to buy a policy privately for under 500 per month that included their children and it had comparable coverage to what we used to get through employers.  What happened today is not because Trump is a failure but because Obama was. The plan was flawed start to finish. There is no reset button. The ACA was very good for profits in the health industry and pharmaceuticals Both parties had 7 solid years to derail the train wreck coming and both sides politicized it. Paul Ryan should be run out of congress on a rail. Manipulative little twerp. Trump understands business deals because the are based on common sense. Not so with government it's about sticking it to your opponent.

Surely you know that the bill that Obama passed was very far from what he originally wanted? Why do the politicians who refused to support the bill in its original form not share the blame?
post #4027 of 4031

I wonder if Trump's boasting and bragging beforehand make this failure seem greater than it would to a president less into public self-congratulation.  

 

 I can not help but think of that old saying:  pride goeth before a fall.  

post #4028 of 4031

Pride goeth before destruction, and haughtiness before a fall (Proverbs 16:18).  That notwithstanding, partisan politics - not making America great - or even decent - again, since 1812.

 

Finally (in reading these last few pages) something everyone can agree on - politicians of every stripe ought to be wearing stripes.

 

 

 

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post #4029 of 4031
Hehe. Nah, they don't have to go to jail. I'd settle for them being middle class, living in Podunk, with a real job, not having any power to make decisions for anyone. The kinds of federal prisons that rich white guys go to are basically county clubs anyway. Hardly a punishment. Make 'em work at Walmart, THAT would be a punishment!
post #4030 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Margd View Post
 

I wonder if Trump's boasting and bragging beforehand make this failure seem greater than it would to a president less into public self-congratulation.  

 

 I can not help but think of that old saying:  pride goeth before a fall.  

No worse that Obama putting on that sideshow when he signed the ACA.

post #4031 of 4031

I saw Nancy Pelosi's little performance today saying that this was a 'win' for the American people, I really can't stand that woman anymore than I can stand Paul Ryan.  Remember her little stunt with the large gavel  when they pushed this monstrosity through.  Also remember her cute comment 'we have to pass it to know what is in it', she is always being too cute by half.  I do not know why the Democrats continue to vote for her to be their leader in Congress.  She is a San Francisco liberal, she represents everything about the Democratic party that has turned so many people off about the Democratic party.  

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