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post #3841 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post


Well, as I've said before, there's nowhere to get birth control in most small towns. So, it takes gas money, time, and money/insurance for the doctor to get birth control (yeah yeah, every gas station has condoms, blah blah, but the failure rate on those makes them not something you want to solely rely on). The best thing about the ACA was that birth control had to be covered, taking away one obstacle, if that goes away you can bet there will be a pretty big bump in the birth rate.

There are also a few people I know who had decent jobs when they had their kids and now they can't find anything that pays half as well. You can't exactly dump a kid at the shelter if you get laid off and have to take a lower-paying job.

Again that has nothing to do with the bigger issue. Most of these safety nets were created for people in that situation many who will find themselves ineligible if they need a few months of help in a crisis because their previous income puts them over the limit even though they may have zero assets or income at that point. But if you start out with nothing and get into the system you have it all on your plate. And for women they just have to get knocked up. Men don't fare very well. If you can't afford BC you can't afford the activity that will put a child in your care. Either one of the parents. In real life that baby costs a lot more than gas and a doctor visit. Medicade expansion under the ACA has simply added to the problem.

post #3842 of 4150
The majority of non-disabled, non-elderly welfare (all forms) recipients work. They work hard. They work a lot. I don't know what else you want them to do. Commit suicide? Starve to death? Die of untreated medical problems? I hate the rhetoric that all poor people deserve to be poor because they're lazy. No way! The people I know who are on food stamps work a lot harder than I do. I just got lucky. But people want to eliminate or reduce the help they can get. That's not going to help anyone. They'll just get so sick or injured from overwork that they end up on disability. Which I'm pretty sure costs a lot more than $129 a month in food stamps.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-to
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If you can't afford BC you can't afford the activity that will put a child in your care.
LOL, "life will find a way". When people are too broke to do anything else, trust, me, there's one form of entertainment that's free wink.gif. I think expecting people to abstain is unrealistic---religions have been trying that one for centuries and it never works out.

And, like I said, it's not only about the cost of the birth control. Gas to the city--maybe $25, doctor appointment---maybe $100, day off work, unpaid because low-wage jobs don't give paid leave---loss of day's wages plus the threat of losing your job. Plus because of the prevailing attitudes and religiosity of most small towns, many think that hormonal BC makes women fat and ugly (hey, Breitbart article!) or that it's abortafacient, or that using BC is sinful. So that doesn't help. Just sayin', babies happen.
Edited by Willowy - 3/20/17 at 11:43am
post #3843 of 4150

The view from 'elsewhere'..........

 

 

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/#gallery

post #3844 of 4150
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Originally Posted by 1CatOverTheLine View Post


They do if they're retired from a job with a corporation.  If they owned a business, the onus is on them to prove to the local Board that their business has been closed permanently, and that they can no longer derive from it any income - an almost impossible feat.

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I don't think the part about collecting Social Security if you are a business owner is quite right. If you collect Social Security before your full retirement age, your benefit will be reduced because
1- You are taking benefits early and
2- You have income over a very low limit of $16,920.

The amount the benefit is reduced based on your age and income. Once you turn full retirement age, current rules allow you to receive your full SS retirement benefit.

Depending on your earnings, your SS retirement benefit may still be taxable income.

A business owner still pays SS taxes while they have income. The tax rate for self-employed individuals is 2x the rate paid by employees of a company. The company pays half of the SS tax for any employee who receives a W-2 form.
The self employment tax is 12.4% of your income up to $127,200 for social security and 2.9% of your total income for Medicare.

I don't understand where a local board comes into this calculation.
post #3845 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post

The majority of non-disabled welfare (all forms) recipients work. They work hard. They work a lot. I don't know what else you want them to do. Commit suicide? Starve to death? Die of untreated medical problems? I hate the rhetoric that all poor people deserve to be poor because they're lazy. No way! The people I know who are on food stamps work a lot harder than I do. I just got lucky. But people want to eliminate or reduce the help they can get. That's not going to help anyone. They'll just get so sick or injured from overwork that they end up on disability. Which I'm pretty sure costs a lot more than $129 a month in food stamps.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-to

Wow you ran that right over the finish line. I have suggested that perhaps they should stop having children that they cannot support and in fact doing so would open up other opportunities. There is a difference in being poor by circumstance and poor by making lots of bad choices. We have a government program for everything including schooling. IN fact many of those horrible employers that pay min wage will PAY your schooling if you maintain a decent GPA. Which is really hard to do if you decide to get married and start a family while you're asking if someone wants fries with that.

post #3846 of 4150
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We have a government program for everything including schooling

Which is what we're talking about cutting. And I'm saying why cutting such things is a bad idea.
post #3847 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post

Quite the mess isn't it. It will probably need to be moved to a means tested hybrid type program but at least the people using it will have helped to pay for the benefits they are using.

I believe SS should become a hybrid of retirement benefit with means testing added.

SS taxes before retirement should not have an earnings limit, but there should not be an increase to the top benefit past the current calculation.

I believe people earning more than $127,200 should pay more towards social security. It is an increase in the effective tax rate they pay, but that decrease in "spendable income" has less impact on earners in that tax bracket than those making less than $30,000 per year.

I don't know how you choose an income to start reducing SS benefits. Perhaps income equal to the "cutoff" income for the calendar year could be a starting point.
post #3848 of 4150
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Originally Posted by foxden View Post


I believe SS should become a hybrid of retirement benefit with means testing added.

SS taxes before retirement should not have an earnings limit, but there should not be an increase to the top benefit past the current calculation.

I believe people earning more than $127,200 should pay more towards social security. It is an increase in the effective tax rate they pay, but that decrease in "spendable income" has less impact on earners in that tax bracket than those making less than $30,000 per year.

I don't know how you choose an income to start reducing SS benefits. Perhaps income equal to the "cutoff" income for the calendar year could be a starting point.

Something has to change if we want to preserve SS and Medicare as the safety net for seniors. No one is going to like it. We can't continue to blindly slog along with blinders on for this or the welfare programs. We don't want people waiting in line for a ticket to the bread line. If Trump and company would wake up and do what is needed we would be headed to a single payer system for healthcare. Cutting out the need for medical insurance profit. The great thing there is the employee base is there and trained. We just have to chop the head off the beast.

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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post
 

>snip<

 

We just have to chop the head off the beast.

 Unfortunately, the beast appears to look like this. :sigh:

 

post #3850 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Margd View Post

 Unfortunately, the beast appears to look like this. sigh.gif



Do the heads regrow and double in number when you cut them off? (i.e. Greek mythology)
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post #3851 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Margd View Post
 

 Unfortunately, the beast appears to look like this. :sigh:

 


We should have never let it grow up. But it was so useful when it was a wee thing.

 

post #3852 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post
 


We should have never let it grow up. But it was so useful when it was a wee thing.

 

It was so cute and gave everyone such a warm, cuddly and safe feeling.  Kind of like those big cat cubs that amateurs get and then they end up badly injured or worse when they grow up.

post #3853 of 4150
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Originally Posted by Denice View Post
 

It was so cute and gave everyone such a warm, cuddly and safe feeling.  Kind of like those big cat cubs that amateurs get and then they end up badly injured or worse when they grow up.


Yes those were the words I was looking for. it used to need us.

post #3854 of 4150
Kittens Mom said :

Something has to change if we want to preserve SS and Medicare

~ Hopefully President Trump's "America First" agenda will change a lot of things for the better. If he can balance the budget, improve our economy and industrial capacity while also strengthening our military this will be a big improvement. His recent meeting in Germany is an example. He is letting other NATO countries know that the US spending on military protection around the world is out of balance and needs to be shared fairly. Past administrations complained about this but did nothing . Keeping manufacturing in the US will create more jobs and reduce unemployment - another good strategy and the total opposite of what past Presidents have done. Outsourcing has to stop. Strict enforcement of immigration laws and being selective of who we take into the country is another good policy. We cannot continue to import poverty and crime as past administrations have allowed. Reducing crime is also a big agenda for Trump and much needed as drug cartels continue to infiltrate the US as they have in Mexico .
President Trump is certainly different and talks off-the-cuff a bit too often. Some are quite bothered by his style , but he has a huge job ahead of him and so far it looks like he is off to a pretty good start and is not going to be intimidated. I think it would be a good idea if he received a pat on the back and encouragement now and again instead of the endless criticism and negative press he is constantly barraged with. I hope he can hold up !
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Originally Posted by JamesCalifornia View Post

Kittens Mom said :
Something has to change if we want to preserve SS and Medicare
~ Hopefully President Trump's "America First" agenda will change a lot of things for the better. If he can balance the budget, improve our economy and industrial capacity while also strengthening our military this will be a big improvement. His recent meeting in Germany is an example. He is letting other NATO countries know that the US spending on military protection around the world is out of balance and needs to be shared fairly. Past administrations complained about this but did nothing . Keeping manufacturing in the US will create more jobs and reduce unemployment - another good strategy and the total opposite of what past Presidents have done. Strict enforcement of immigration laws and being selective of who we take into the country is another good policy. We cannot continue to import poverty and crime as past administrations have allowed. Reducing crime is also a big agenda for Trump and much needed as drug cartels continue to infiltrate the US as they have in Mexico .
President Trump is certainly different and talks off-the-cuff a bit too often. Some are quite bothered by his style , but he has a huge job ahead of him and so far it looks like he off to a pretty good start and is not going to be intimidated. I think it would be a good idea if he received a pat on the back and encouragement now and again instead of the endless criticism and negative press he is constantly barraged with. I hope he holds up !

He is exactly the person who was elected. Balancing the budget and doing what is needed is going to cause a lot of hysterics although I doubt cutting up a spend-a-holics credit card is ever a pretty sight. We cannot continue to import poverty or breed it at home. We need a single payer healthcare system where Everyone who use it pays something and limits on tax deductions for families and the passing or reinstatement of welfare caps in all states. It's about time the members of NATO paid their fair share. Next we can barge the UN out to sea about 500 miles and dump it.

We also need to print up maps and instructions so the illegals unhappy here can find their way to Canada. Those open arms ya know. I bet Canada would beat us in building a wall.

Sanctuary cities loose any federal funding that can be pulled.

Illegals no matter what race who have a baby here or use medical services should be handed a bill and pursed relentlessly. You know like all the rest of us.

We have inner cities full of refugees born here to parents on welfare whose parents were on welfare.

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Today FBI Director Comey testified at a hearing at the House and stated pretty definitively that Obama did not wiretap or order surveillance on Trump's presidential campaign.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/2017/03/20/af9cabfc-0d83-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_trumpdamage-0628pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a1ab5087d2d4 

 

In the same hearing, Comey acknowledged that there is indeed an FBI probe into possible coordination between members of Trump's campaign team and Russia.  This isn't saying there was coordination, only that a probe is underway.  He also confirmed that a widespread investigation was underway into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-to-testify-on-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/2017/03/20/cdea86ca-0ce2-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-banner-high_comey-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.76217187045e

 

Do the Trump supporters posting here think that Trump's original tweets and his subsequent refusal to admit his error damage his credibility at all?  What about his insistance that the investigations into the Russian connection were just an example of Democrats feasting on sour grapes?  All of this seems like a very big deal to me.  I can't even keep track of all the connections and possible connections between Trump advisors and Russians that are being brought to light.  I'm just wondering what Trump supporters think of this?

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~ Quote of the Day ~
We need to print up maps and instructions so the illegals unhappy here can find their way to Canada.
~😄`
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Originally Posted by Margd View Post
 

Today FBI Director Comey testified at a hearing at the House and stated pretty definitively that Obama did not wiretap or order surveillance on Trump's presidential campaign.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/2017/03/20/af9cabfc-0d83-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_trumpdamage-0628pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a1ab5087d2d4 

 

In the same hearing, Comey acknowledged that there is indeed an FBI probe into possible coordination between members of Trump's campaign team and Russia.  This isn't saying there was coordination, only that a probe is underway.  He also confirmed that a widespread investigation was underway into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-to-testify-on-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/2017/03/20/cdea86ca-0ce2-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-banner-high_comey-banner%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.76217187045e

 

Do the Trump supporters posting here think that Trump's original tweets and his subsequent refusal to admit his error damage his credibility at all?  What about his insistance that the investigations into the Russian connection were just an example of Democrats feasting on sour grapes?  All of this seems like a very big deal to me.  I can't even keep track of all the connections and possible connections between Trump advisors and Russians that are being brought to light.  I'm just wondering what Trump supporters think of this?

I don't believe he had a reason to tweet that unless he had a genuine reason to believe. That doesn't mean it was valid. Do I think the Russians tried. They had nothing to gain either way but causing instability would be a major goal. Do I think Trump had the Russians fix the election. No. There were lots of reasons Hilary lost and all of them were by her own actions and words. I exercised my white privilege today and haven't watched the news. I do know the hatred of trump extends well into the Republican party. He's set up a lot of sacred cows in the budget and is about to use them as bowling pins.

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Originally Posted by JamesCalifornia View Post

~ Quote of the Day ~
We need to print up maps and instructions so the illegals unhappy here can find their way to Canada.

~😄`

 http://www.redstate.com/mickeywhite2/2017/01/28/canadian-prime-minister-tweets-welcome-message-refugees-banned-trump...-just-one-problem/

 

Of course most of the illegals are here for economic gain but having their illegally obtained benefits and illegally obtained ID and illegally obtained jobs taken away should help them qualify.

Point your big Canadian finger at us and we'll show you what it feels like. We're going to sic the illegals on your country and see how Mr. Prime Minister likes that. 50% of his country wants illegals deported. They aren't coming back here. We need safe routes getting them to the border. I know we'll call the coyotes. Even better it appears Canada has birthright citizenship. Justin Trudeau can give President Trump a call when he's ready to yell uncle.

 

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~ This wiretap issue reminds me of when former Central Intelligence Agency employee Edward Snowden copied and leaked some classified information to the press and why many believe that James Clapper lied to Congress under oath .
FBI Director Comey serves at the pleasure ( really ? ) of the President. Trump could have replaced him but did not. Apparently he wants to trust him. All I heard was that no evidence was found that Obama ordered surveillance on Trump. Comey did not answer many questions. Very suspicious! Was Trump Tower tapped ? Is the White House tapped? Is the CIA involved? I think anyone who speaks to foreign intelligence can probably be monitored. I think it's very likely somebody was watching Trump .
I believe President Trump is learning very fast that the world of politics is far more sinister and back-stabbing than the business environment of real estate.
Edited by JamesCalifornia - 3/20/17 at 9:15pm
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Everything in Washington is so hyper-partisan, there is so much corruption and lying in Washington, I just can't get all bent out of shape about the investigation of the day.  Agencies that aren't supposed to be are politicized.  Comey is a political puppet which means I know he is probably lying because his lips are moving. What gets me is how people's opinion on Comey changes.  During the thing with the Clinton private server he was Democrats best friend then he was the one that cost Hillary Clinton the election, but wait a minute the Russian's did that. Putin did hate Hillary Clinton but there was a whole lot of that going on.  Hillary Clinton lost the election because she was a horrible candidate with too much baggage, end of story.  

 

Putin is having fun interfering in elections in Western Europe the same way he is here, I guess he is colluding with people in every European country as well.  


Edited by Denice - 3/21/17 at 1:47am
post #3862 of 4150
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Originally Posted by JamesCalifornia View Post

~ This wiretap issue reminds me of when former Central Intelligence Agency employee Edward Snowden copied and leaked some classified information to the press and why many believe that James Clapper lied to Congress under oath .
FBI Director Comey serves at the pleasure ( really ? ) of the President. Trump could have replaced him but did not. All I heard was that no evidence was found that Obama ordered surveillance on Trump. Was Trump Tower tapped ? Is the White House tapped? Is the CIA involved? I think anyone who speaks to foreign intelligence can probably be monitored. I think it's very likely somebody was watching Trump.

 

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Originally Posted by Denice View Post
 

Everything in Washington is so hyper-partisan, there is so much corruption and lying in Washington, I just can't get all bent out of shape about the investigation of the day.  Agencies that aren't supposed to be are politicized.  Comey is a political puppet which means I know he is probably lying because his lips are moving. What gets me is how people's opinion on Comey changes.  During the thing with the Clinton private server he was Democrats best friend then he was the one that cost Hillary Clinton the election, but wait a minute the Russian's did that. Putin did hate Hillary Clinton but there was a whole lot of that going on.  Hillary Clinton lost the election because she was a horrible candidate with too much baggage, end of story.  

 

Putin is having fun interfering in elections in Western Europe the same way he is here, I guess he is colluding with people in every European country as well.  

Nail on the head. Putin is getting the desired result.

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I remember people were concerned that Trump would take away our clean water. 

 

 

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First Real Hope for Flint Water as Trump Bestows $100 Million
 
Under authority granted the agency by the Water Infrastructure Improvements for the Nation Act of 2016, the EPA just issued a $100 million grant to the beleaguered city of Flint, Michigan, to help in the effort at replacing the city’s badly corroded and lead-tainted system of water pipes.

Some progressive critics of President Donald Trump have pointed to his proposed budget cuts at the Environmental Protection Agency as proof that he is a terrible president who doesn’t care about ensuring that Americans have clean air and water.

However, the recent report from The Daily Caller about Trump’s EPA grant just threw that narrative into a tailspin.

Refusing to acknowledge that a key tenet of their anti-Trump narrative had just been disrupted, CNN reported that the grant actually stemmed from efforts begun in 2016 by former President Barack Obama and the prior Congress, insinuating that Trump had nothing to do with it, apparently oblivious to the president’s repeated promise to update the crumbling infrastructure of this country as soon as possible, something Obama never seemed to consider a high priority.

CNN further dwelt on the proposed budget cuts of 31 percent to the EPA under Trump’s administration, but declined to mention the fact that programs dealing with water system infrastructure would remain intact and fully funded.

Flint has been dealing with this water crisis for roughly three years, but Obama’s EPA did next to nothing to address the problem. Now that Trump is in office and reorienting federal agencies to their actual purposes, the things that are truly necessary are already getting done post haste.

http://conservativetribune.com/3-years-obama-flint-water-trump/

 

There's more at the link

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Originally Posted by Tarasgirl06 View Post
 

Yes, it is, and it's absolutely on topic, even though we veered from DT in our conversations about birth control and kids and all.  

 

Many of us are extremely concerned and cannot understand why those who beat their breasts in defense of "Pro-Life" seem not to care about the LIFE of those their extremists take when they bomb family planning clinics/doctors, and seem to care not at all about the millions of starving children and adults as well as members of other species -- all created by the same Creator they profess to believe in, because there is only One -- whose lives are lost as a direct consequence of out-of-control overpopulating. :sigh:  I am absolutely stymied by some of the "celebs" as well as some of the brightest minds we have on this earth, who seem to think it a very great thing to produce more and more babies.  It takes absolutely no talent to get pregnant! 

Nice of you to put all pro-life people in the same basket, like all feel exactly the same.  Talk about insulting, wow.

and the statement, " seem not to care about the LIFE of those their extremists take when they bomb family planning clinics/doctors," if over-the-top and really crosses a line.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't have any extremists doing my bidding.

 

I'm okay with birth control, there are WAYYYY to many people on this Earth, I'm okay with the Morning After Pill and even terminating a pregnancy after the first missed period.

What I'm NOT okay with and never will be, is aborting a baby that can been in the womb, by ultrasound, sucking his/her thumb. That is too late IMO. 

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Originally Posted by xlpooper View Post
 

Nice of you to put all pro-life people in the same basket, like all feel exactly the same.  Talk about insulting, wow.

and the statement, " seem not to care about the LIFE of those their extremists take when they bomb family planning clinics/doctors," if over-the-top and really crosses a line.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't have any extremists doing my bidding.

 

I'm okay with birth control, there are WAYYYY to many people on this Earth, I'm okay with the Morning After Pill and even terminating a pregnancy after the first missed period.

What I'm NOT okay with and never will be, is aborting a baby that can been in the womb, by ultrasound, sucking his/her thumb. That is too late IMO. 

There are pro lifers on both sides. The majority of people seem to fall into the pro choice and find this constant rehashing of the Roe vs. Wade stupid.  Seems that it was covered in the conformation hearing today that the government did not have jurisdiction over a woman's body or the first trimester. BC, the morning after pill, first trimester abortion and voluntary sterilization for men and women over the age of 21 should be available and free.  Now that might out liberal some liberals and had some on the right screaming. We are a nation based on personal freedom. That includes the right to make good and bad choices.

I am so impressed with this man. Trump did a magnificent job in picking him for the SC. And in the back of my mind I can't help but think Why isn't Neil Gorsuch sitting in the oval office. And it makes me sad for our country.

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Originally Posted by xlpooper View Post
 

I remember people were concerned that Trump would take away our clean water. 

 

 

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First Real Hope for Flint Water as Trump Bestows $100 Million
 
Under authority granted the agency by the Water Infrastructure Improvements for the Nation Act of 2016, the EPA just issued a $100 million grant to the beleaguered city of Flint, Michigan, to help in the effort at replacing the city’s badly corroded and lead-tainted system of water pipes.

Some progressive critics of President Donald Trump have pointed to his proposed budget cuts at the Environmental Protection Agency as proof that he is a terrible president who doesn’t care about ensuring that Americans have clean air and water.

However, the recent report from The Daily Caller about Trump’s EPA grant just threw that narrative into a tailspin.

Refusing to acknowledge that a key tenet of their anti-Trump narrative had just been disrupted, CNN reported that the grant actually stemmed from efforts begun in 2016 by former President Barack Obama and the prior Congress, insinuating that Trump had nothing to do with it, apparently oblivious to the president’s repeated promise to update the crumbling infrastructure of this country as soon as possible, something Obama never seemed to consider a high priority.

CNN further dwelt on the proposed budget cuts of 31 percent to the EPA under Trump’s administration, but declined to mention the fact that programs dealing with water system infrastructure would remain intact and fully funded.

Flint has been dealing with this water crisis for roughly three years, but Obama’s EPA did next to nothing to address the problem. Now that Trump is in office and reorienting federal agencies to their actual purposes, the things that are truly necessary are already getting done post haste.

http://conservativetribune.com/3-years-obama-flint-water-trump/

 

There's more at the link

 

Likely only because there was nothing he could do to stop it:

 

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/flint-epa-grant-water-crisis/97008638/

 

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Michigan’s U.S. senators and a key congressman want to know if a reported freeze on all new Environmental Protection Agency grants and contracts under the Trump administration will impact $100 million approved late last year to help Flint in the wake of its water crisis.
 
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 While any broad freeze on grants could potentially impact Flint’s funding under the legislation passed in December, it’s unlikely to halt it altogether, given that the bill made clear that the $100 million was to be awarded to a municipality that is or has been the subject of an emergency declaration due to lead contamination — a category only Flint falls under. And since it was written into legislation, the administration would most likely be required to follow through on granting it.
post #3867 of 4150

Lol, if the 100 million was approved last year, why wasn't it distributed last year? Flint, MI has had undrinkable water for three years or longer now.

 

Also, you may have missed this part in my post.

 

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CNN further dwelt on the proposed budget cuts of 31 percent to the EPA under Trump’s administration, but declined to mention the fact that programs dealing with water system infrastructure would remain intact and fully funded.

 

Trump did not ever want to stop it.

post #3868 of 4150
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why wasn't it distributed last year?

Because the government takes forever to do anything.


Hmm, let's see how much this administration likes the EPA. . .
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the EPA just issued a $100 million grant to the beleaguered city of Flint, Michigan
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H.R.861 - To terminate the Environmental Protection Agency.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861

Well I guess this is the last they'll be giving out.
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but declined to mention the fact that programs dealing with water system infrastructure would remain intact and fully funded.

If the EPA is terminated, none of its programs will continue.
post #3869 of 4150
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Originally Posted by xlpooper View Post
 

Lol, if the 100 million was approved last year, why wasn't it distributed last year? Flint, MI has had undrinkable water for three years or longer now.

 

Also, you may have missed this part in my post.

 

 

Trump did not ever want to stop it.

There is the need to understand that dismantling a bloated out of control government agency does not mean Trump wants to destroy the planet.

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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post


Because the government takes forever to do anything.


Hmm, let's see how much this administration likes the EPA. . .

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861

Well I guess this is the last they'll be giving out.
If the EPA is terminated, none of its programs will continue.

 

Lol, the EPA won't be terminated IMO, but if it is the programs will be rolled into another agency.

 

There is so much redundancy in the Federal Govt. it's ridiculous.

 

Sorry, but the excuse that "the government takes forever to do anything" doesn't cut it. Flint, MI

has had undrinkable water for 3 years. Obama did not make Flint a priority like he should have.

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