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Seeing through his facade is actually what gave me pause about voting for him.  I DID notice that he bragged and put his foot in his mouth and was quick to say just exactly what he thought, and it kind of worried me that he might aggravate some other world leader or start fights with them.   So it's wrong to say we didn't see through his facade.  What we did see is someone who actually had a plan to get our country back on course (jobs/infrastructure/secured border/eliminate waste and fraud/etc...) and someone with the guts to actually do what he promised - unlike all these other smooth politicians who promise the moon with their polished persona (which is a red flag to me) and deliver NOTHING.  And we see we were right!  He's actually doing what he promised!!!  The US is a capitalist nation, but Obama tried to make it socialist.  Trump is righting all those wrongs. One of those wrongs is putting refugees and illegals before the rightful legal citizens of this nation and especially the elderly and veterans.   

Does the press have the right to lie?  I don't think that's covered.  That's what's got Trump and the rest of us all riled up.  We want to hear the truth, not what the politicians of both parties want us to hear.  All the news stations - even Fox - predicted HRC would win.  They were so wrong.  That should make most people suspect that maybe the press are biased.  He not only has the right to be angry about the press not reporting the whole truth, he has an OBLIGATION to correct them.  No other president than Trump has the guts to do it, except Reagan.  

In reading what you wrote, it seems that the problems you have with him is  simply you don't like the guy.  He sort of rubs me the wrong way too at times, but he's the right person for the job.  He's got a plan, and he's got the guts to follow through where ALL our previous leaders failed - yes even the Bushes.  

Does it not bother you that Trump himself lies frequently?
post #2402 of 2802
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Originally Posted by Ginny View Post
 

 

 He's got a plan, and he's got the guts to follow through where ALL our previous leaders failed - yes even the Bushes.  

 

 

And just as the American people supported Mister Obama, Mister Trump should have the backing of America as well.  Philip of Macedon's, "divide et impera," is true in every case, and whether that division is spurred from within or from without, perhaps it's time that the Democrats took a page from their own playbook, and listened to Mrs. Clinton's admonition that America is, "stronger together."  A division of any entity - whether a nation, and organism, or an ideology - only weakens the whole.

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post #2403 of 2802
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And just as the American people supported Mister Obama

I don't know where you live but this was definitely not true these last 8 years. There were plenty of gun nuts who were vocal about their assassination fantasies.
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post
 

 I feel like we were the laughing stock of the world for 8 years under Obama.

 

If you don't think that the entire world is laughing at us now, I don't know how to help you.

 

You may agree with Trump and that's certainly your right; however, you have to admit that his public behavior is awful.  He is clearly careening out of control, no matter what he says, and he comes off  as petulant and childish.  He's the emperor and if anyone dares to admit that they can't see his new clothes he goes crazy.

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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post


I don't know where you live but this was definitely not true these last 8 years. There were plenty of gun nuts who were vocal about their assassination fantasies.

 

There may have been gun nuts with fantasies, but the majority of Americans approved of and supported President Obama.

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There may have been gun nuts with fantasies, but the majority of Americans approved of and supported President Obama.


The sheer number of comments about assassinating this president have far outweighed any talk about Obama.  The reason for that is the right is far less inclined to be so overly-emotional about the results of an election.  

 

Do you recall all dangerous riots started by the right when Obama got elected in '08 or '12?  Right, neither do I.  It didn't happen.  

 

Plenty of us were upset and scared of having a far left career politician in the WH taking us down the communist route.  But did we riot and protest and burn things and destroy property?  No.  If it did happen then it has been FAR eclipsed by what the left is now continuing to do over 3 months past the election.  

 

And just because those riots didn't happen in '08 or '12, doesn't mean a majority of the nation approved/supported Obama.

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Originally Posted by Ginny View Post
 


The sheer number of comments about assassinating this president have far outweighed any talk about Obama.  The reason for that is the right is far less inclined to be so overly-emotional about the results of an election.  

 

Do you recall all dangerous riots started by the right when Obama got elected in '08 or '12?  Right, neither do I.  It didn't happen.  

 

Plenty of us were upset and scared of having a far left career politician in the WH taking us down the communist route.  But did we riot and protest and burn things and destroy property?  No.  If it did happen then it has been FAR eclipsed by what the left is now continuing to do over 3 months past the election.  

 

And just because those riots didn't happen in '08 or '12, doesn't mean a majority of the nation approved/supported Obama.

 

No, but the polls do.

 

Did Obama turn us into communists?

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Aren't the Russians Communists? I find the sudden switch from "dang commie libruls!" to "we love the Russians!" to be rather amusing tongue.gif.

I literally have no idea what Obama did that was supposed to be Communist dontknow.gif. The majority of Americans, even Republicans, now support a "socialized medicine" model of some sort. Other than that I can't think of a single thing.
post #2409 of 2802
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Originally Posted by DreamerRose View Post
 

 

No, but the polls do.

 

Did Obama turn us into communists?


I said he was taking us down the communist route, a more extreme form of socialism.   He definitely had socialist leanings considering his mom was a "cultural Marxist" and his dad's friend was Obama's mentor, who was the head of the Communist Party/ USA (Hawaii).  

 

The polls do what?

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Scott Pruitt has been confirmed as head of the EPA.  Scott Pruitt has been a frequent opponent of the EPA throughout his career, having sued them over a dozen times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/17/scott-pruitt-long-time-adversary-of-epa-confirmed-to-lead-the-agency/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_ee-epanominee-125pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.9cfc57cdeb1c

 

A bill to eliminate the EPA by the end of 2018 has been introduced into the House.

  https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861

 

Senate Republicans held a hearing yesterday to discuss eliminating or gutting the endangered species act.  

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/endangered-species-act-republicans-congress/index.html

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/republicans-launch-attempt-to-repeal-endangered-species-act/

 

At a time, when we are wiping out species at an unprecedented rate, and the environment has never been more fragile, these kinds of actions ONLY make sense if the goal is the pursuit of short- term profit above all else.  I really fear this mentality will be one of the major contributing factors if our species ends up going extinct itself. 

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Yeah. SCARY.ohwell.gifsweat.gifEEK2.GIF3a.gif

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Originally Posted by Denice View Post
 

I do wish that he would send Kellyanne Conway packing.  A big part of her job is being able to communicate and she isn't very good at it at least in the role she is in now.  She was good for the campaign but not doing what she is trying to do now.  They need to keep Steven Miller away from any and all microphones, he shouldn't try to write anymore EOs on his own.  Not only is he really bad at communicating but his style is downright scary.

 

That dude shouldn't be anywhere near the White House. I don't care about his history with the GOP, he was a press officer for a senator in a tiny state with very little media to speak of. Not ready for the big time, not a person who should be a major surrogate.

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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post

Aren't the Russians Communists? I find the sudden switch from "dang commie libruls!" to "we love the Russians!" to be rather amusing tongue.gif.

I literally have no idea what Obama did that was supposed to be Communist dontknow.gif. The majority of Americans, even Republicans, now support a "socialized medicine" model of some sort. Other than that I can't think of a single thing.

 

Russia is a federal republic. In reality, it's nominally a federal republic with a quasi-dictatorial leader. The USSR was a socialist/communist state.

 

It is, however, difficult to tell where one begins and the other ends because the same apparatus is in place and the Russian government has fallen back into the old habits of the USSR days.

 

Obama was frequently criticized along those lines because he was a professorial type who genuinely seemed to believe in the socialist model, at least to some degree. The thing is, to paraphrase Milton Friedman, socialism requires faith that the people at the top are going to be fair-minded, transparent, and extraordinarily disciplined. But who are these angels who can be trusted with that responsibility? There has never been a socialist or communist government in the history of mankind that worked out the way it's supposed to work out on paper.

 

Aside from ideological differences, I think one problem people had with Obama was that he was almost too cerebral, too content to sit back and think things through instead of acting. Which is fine, in moderation. But it can also be a hindrance when it prevents action, and I think that's where Obama got into trouble.

 

But you could also see Obama's style reflected in the people he surrounded himself with. Look at Samantha Power, who was the ambassador to the U.N. during the latter half of the Obama administration. Power, by the way, is married to Cass Sunstein. So you have people who have no real-world experience, who were hired on the strength of their ideas or -- in Power's case -- an ultra-idealistic book which won a Pulitzer because of its politics. But again, things are nice and neat on paper, but messy in the real world.

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Originally Posted by LavishSqualor View Post
 

 

If you don't think that the entire world is laughing at us now, I don't know how to help you.

 

You may agree with Trump and that's certainly your right; however, you have to admit that his public behavior is awful.  He is clearly careening out of control, no matter what he says, and he comes off  as petulant and childish.  He's the emperor and if anyone dares to admit that they can't see his new clothes he goes crazy.

If the world is laughing at us they are laughing at childish and stupid way the sore loser's on the Left are acting. It's embarrassing for this country.

You will have to pardon President Trump for not talking in the idiotic way Obama did. I remember when people would ask Obama a question and he would ramble on for five

minutes and still not answer the question.

 

All this moronic fake news isn't helping either,now even the Wall St. Journal is printing lies.

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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post


I don't know where you live but this was definitely not true these last 8 years. There were plenty of gun nuts who were vocal about their assassination fantasies.

I didn't see anybody out throwing rocks through windows, throwing rocks at law enforcement, setting cars and buildings on fire, did you?

Did you see anti-Obama peeps out assaulting Obama supporters and spitting on them?  I didn't 

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Originally Posted by xlpooper View Post
 

If the world is laughing at us they are laughing at childish and stupid way the sore loser's on the Left are acting. It's embarrassing for this country.

You will have to pardon President Trump for not talking in the idiotic way Obama did. I remember when people would ask Obama a question and he would ramble on for five

minutes and still not answer the question.

 

All this moronic fake news isn't helping either,now even the Wall St. Journal is printing lies.


The press is empowered with free speech and just like the rest of us the responsibility that comes with it. I cannot watch my local news and haven't for years because of the lopsided reporting on everything.

Again you can hear the superior tone that says voting for Trump makes you stupid. It is the elitists and liberal teaching in schools that is ruining this country. College age children that needed safe spaces from imaginary boogeymen. After the debacle on several college campuses shutting down free speech through the threat of violence I don't see where any liberal educator has a right to open their mouth about anything.

post #2418 of 2802
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Originally Posted by LavishSqualor View Post
 

I watched the whole thing live and it was like watching a horrible accident from which I just couldn't look away.  How anyone in their right mind could watch that press conference today and not think that Donald Trump has some very real psychological problems is beyond me.  I'm not being hyperbolic and I'm not saying that in jest:  I honestly think he's mentally ill.  

Lol, talk about being melodramatic. hahahahaha   I thought the presser was great, I loved it.  It was classic Trump.

 

And boy he sure made the Coal miner's happy yesterday didn't he?  Oh, I notice that hasn't been mentioned, I wonder how many people even KNOW about that.

post #2419 of 2802
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post
 


The press is empowered with free speech and just like the rest of us the responsibility that comes with it. I cannot watch my local news and haven't for years because of the lopsided reporting on everything.

Again you can hear the superior tone that says voting for Trump makes you stupid. It is the elitists and liberal teaching in schools that is ruining this country. College age children that needed safe spaces from imaginary boogeymen. After the debacle on several college campuses shutting down free speech through the threat of violence I don't see where any liberal educator has a right to open their mouth about anything.

Boy, isn't that the truth. for sure.

post #2420 of 2802
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Originally Posted by Kittens Mom View Post
 


I think the barrage of reporters is what gets him.  Most people even very experienced speakers do not go up there with out notecards. He got elected being just who he was today. Like him or not there is this honest unfiltered man and you know exactly where you stand. Again this isn't politics because today I just watched him. He is a known workaholic. One thing Trump is 100% right on is we are better finding a common ground with Putin than not. That doesn't mean he loves Russia. I'm sure he views Russia as a rival competing superpower that it would be easier to do business with than launch a negative ad campaign.  That doesn't mean he's under Putin's thumb.

I totally agree

post #2421 of 2802
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Originally Posted by xlpooper View Post
 

Lol, talk about being melodramatic. hahahahaha   I thought the presser was great, I loved it.  It was classic Trump.

 

And boy he sure made the Coal miner's happy yesterday didn't he?  Oh, I notice that hasn't been mentioned, I wonder how many people even KNOW about that.


Now everyone can relax and  know there will be enough of that magic stuff in the electrical socket to charge their green cars.

There has been little to no connection to how the world works beyond lofty ideas and regulations stacked on regulations.

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These are the kinds of illegal aliens that California is protecting.

 

 

http://abc7ny.com/news/details-of-41-arrested-during-illegal-immigrant-raids-released/1759955/

 

 

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DETAILS OF 41 ARRESTED DURING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ROUNDUP IN NYC AREA RELEASED

 

Federal officials have released details about the dozens of illegal immigrants arrested in the New York City area during a multi-state sweep last week.

The series of arrests prompted concerns in several immigrant communities.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials arrested 41 people in the five boroughs and surrounding areas. Of those, 38 had criminal convictions.

Here's a breakdown of where the arrests occurred:
- New York City: 22
- Long Island: 14
- Rockland County, NY: 2
- Orange County, NY: 2
- Putnam County, NY: 1

The immigrants arrested were previously convicted of crimes ranging from rapes and sex assaults, including of children, to robberies, burglaries and larcenies. Some were convicted of driving while intoxicated.

The list revealed the immigrants hailed from a wide cross section of countries in Central America and from Mexico.

Officials stressed that last week's arrests were part of their normal, targeted enforcement operations in the works before the Trump executive immigration order was released. Their timing prompted concern in several immigrant communities.

No names were released in the list sent by federal officials, but details about their criminal past and location of arrest were included.

Here's the full list:

1. A 31-year-old El Salvador national with a criminal conviction for assault with a dangerous weapon in aid of racketeering and self-admitted MS-13 gang member. He was arrested in New Hyde Park, NY

2. A 49-year-old Jamaican national with a criminal conviction for first degree sexual assault of a victim under the age of 11. convicted of sexual assault carnal abuse. He was arrested in Bronx, NY.

3. A 60-year-old Mexican national with a criminal convicted for first degree sexual assault of a victim under the age of 11 and endangering the welfare of a child. He was arrested in Staten Island, NY.

4. A 23-year-old Guyana national with a conviction of rape. He was arrested in Richmond Hill, NY.

5. A 29-year-old Guatemala national convicted of rape. He was arrested in Bronx, NY.

6. A 30-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of rape. He was arrested in Jamaica, NY.

7. A 51-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of a sex offense against a child/fondling. He was arrested in College Point, NY.

8. A 54-year-old Guinea national convicted of sexual assault carnal abuse. He was arrested in Bronx, NY.

9. A 38-year-old Ecuador national with a conviction of sexual assault carnal abuse. He was arrested in Jackson Heights, NY.

10. A 43-year-old Mexican national with a conviction of sexual assault carnal abuse. He was arrested in New York, NY.

11. A 30-year-old Ecuador national convicted of sexual assault. He was arrested in New City, NY.

12. A 35-year-old Mexican national with a conviction of a sex offense. He was arrested in New York, NY.

13. A 34-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of a sex offense. He was arrested in College Point, NY.

14. A 30-year-old Honduras national with a conviction of assault. She was arrested in Monroe, NY.

15. A 40-year-old Mexican national with a conviction of assault. He was arrested in Staten Island, NY.

16. A 34-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of endangering the welfare of a child. He was arrested in Hempstead, NY.

17. A 29-year-old Mexican national convicted of family neglect. He was arrested in Elmhurst, NY.

18. A 30-year-old previously removed Mexican national convicted of robbery. He was arrested in Brooklyn, NY. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation.

19. A 56-year-old El Salvador national convicted of robbery. She was arrested in Riverhead, NY.

20. A 25-year-old Trinidad national convicted of robbery. She was arrested in Roosevelt, NY.

21. A 31-year-old Honduras national convicted of larceny. He was arrested in Island Park, NY.

22. A 27-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of burglary. He was arrested in Bayshore, NY.

23. A 44-year-old Colombia national with a conviction of conspiracy to distribute cocaine. He was arrested in Brooklyn, NY.

24. A 41-year-old previously removed Dominican Republic national convicted of cocaine sale. He was arrested in Bronx, NY. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation.

25. A 46-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of cocaine possession. He was arrested in Elmont, NY.

26. A 38-year-old previously removed Dominican Republic national convicted of drug possession. He was arrested in Bronx, NY. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation.

27. A 44-year-old previously removed El Salvador national with a conviction of police obstruction. He was arrested in Roosevelt, NY. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation.

28. A 40-year-old Mexican national with a conviction of invasion of privacy. He was arrested in Bronx, NY. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation.

29. A 35-year-old previously-removed El Salvador national convicted of driving under the influence. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation. He was arrested in Hempstead.

30. A 54-year-old Guatemalan national with convictions of driving under the influence/Human Rights Violator. He was arrested in New York, NY.

31. A 26-year-old previously-removed Guatemala national with a conviction for driving under the influence. He was arrested in the Riverhead, NY.

32. A 28-year-old Guatemala national convicted of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Brewster, NY.

33. A 36-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Copiague, NY.

34. A 40-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Brentwood, NY.

35. A 52-year-old Mexican national with a conviction of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Suffern, NY.

36. A 41-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Wyandanch, NY.

37. A 36-year-old El Salvador national with a conviction of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Brentwood, NY.

38. A 57-year-old Trinidad national with a conviction of driving under the influence. He was arrested in Richmond Hill, NY.

39. A 35-year-old Honduras national who is considered a fugitive with a final order of removal was arrested in Newburgh, NY.

40. A 25-year-old Ecuador national who was considered a fugitive with a final order of removal was arrested in Brooklyn, NY.

41. A 33-year-old previously-removed Mexican national. He will be prosecuted federally by the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York for re-entry after deportation. He was arrested in New York, NY.

Federal officials are expected to release more information Friday. Keep checking abc7NY for the latest on this developing story.

post #2423 of 2802
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I didn't see anybody out throwing rocks through windows, throwing rocks at law enforcement, setting cars and buildings on fire, did you?

Did you see anti-Obama peeps out assaulting Obama supporters and spitting on them?  I didn't 

Yeah,  I did.  It wasn't considered newsworthy, however.

post #2424 of 2802
Yep. Cars with pro-Obama bumper stickers were regularly vandalized here. Nobody put it in the news though.

There's a story in the local news about a guy who was brought to the state illegally as a child, married a local farm girl and is trying to make things right. He went back to Mexico for his visa interview and now they won't let him back in. His wife is pregnant with their 5th kid and they have 140 head of cattle to care for. Yeah, really keeping the riff-raff out :/.
http://www.keloland.com/news/article/investigates/bring-bertin-home
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Just want to note that the locations in xlpooper's post above are all locations in my neck of the woods, and DWI and sexual assault are the two major, most common crimes illegal immigrants get popped for.

 

A police lieutenant put it to me this way once: A lot of these guys are coming from countries where it's either legal, or acceptable for a 35-year-old man to hit on and have sex with a 16-year-old girl, and when they come here they don't respect our rules and cultural values regarding that kind of behavior. Many don't even see it as wrong or troubling. It happens constantly. In addition to that, Latin American culture is very different when it comes to treatment of women, and what's acceptable in regard to behaving around women, addressing them, respecting them, etc.

 

As for the DWIs, you have guys who come to the U.S. to make money and send it back home, which means they're leaving their families behind. Often they're living with other guys, all renting the houses or apartments together, and they've got two main forms of entertainment -- going to the local taxi dance place and paying Latin women to dance with them, or picking up a few cases of beer and getting savagely drunk while playing FIFA.

 

Now just to put this in perspective, a lot of people won't even shop in the towns with high illegal immigrant populations, because if you get hit by one of them, it's your insurance that's going to pay for it, and your premium that goes up. These people are not driving with licenses, much less insurance. Likewise, if you park your car and it gets dinged (which happens all the time), these guys aren't going to leave a note. They're just going to take off. Again, no license, no insurance.

 

So the societal costs here are much higher than the tally of education, healthcare and social service resources provided to illegal immigrants. We've got millions of people driving without licenses or car insurance, and we've got a cultural and language divide that will never be bridged because these are people who do not plan on staying in the country or making it their home.

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Yep. Cars with pro-Obama bumper stickers were regularly vandalized here. Nobody put it in the news though.

I think there was quite a bit in the news at the time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27738018/ns/us_news-life/t/obama-election-spurs-race-threats-crimes/#.WKdzNpE76hA

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-hatecrimes-idUSTRE4AN81U20081124

https://www.romper.com/p/why-comparing-trumps-election-to-republicans-loss-in-2008-is-misguided-gaslighting-22579
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This idea that Obama was accepted even by people who voted against him isn't really true.  Yes, some people did accept him.  However, who can forget the birth certificate debacle and the attempt to prove he wasn't a natural born citizen so that he could be removed from office?  And I read plenty of right wing blogs where the hatred people felt for Obama and his family took extremely ugly and repulsive forms.  The Breitbart comment section was like a cesspool. Did I imagine all those racist memes that popped up on Facebook and all the emails that went around filled with reprehensible racist jokes? 

 

Conservatives can certainly urge liberals to be more accepting of Trump and to give him a chance.  However,  I think it's best not to try to model the desired behavior on that of the right wing during Obama's tenure.


Edited by Margd - 2/17/17 at 2:24pm
post #2428 of 2802
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post

There's a story in the local news about a guy who was brought to the state illegally as a child, married a local farm girl and is trying to make things right. He went back to Mexico for his visa interview and now they won't let him back in. His wife is pregnant with their 5th kid and they have 140 head of cattle to care for. Yeah, really keeping the riff-raff out :/.
http://www.keloland.com/news/article/investigates/bring-bertin-home

 

 

What you've linked to is a poorly-written, poorly-reported, slanted "story" that presents things entirely from the side of an illegal immigrant, without any effort made to independently verify the claims or get any facts.

 

All we know is what Bertin Flores said in the story: That he's an admitted illegal alien, that he had kids with an American woman, that he tried to get his visa and was denied because the doctor determined he's an alcoholic. According to Flores himself, immigration officials said he could try again.

 

So you're linking us to a sob story about a guy who entered the country illegally, almost certainly broke the law in many different ways just to live here, and is being told to reapply and enter the country legally, the right way. They're not denying him entry ever again, they denied him entry one time.


What's terrible about this? Is it the government's fault that this guy entered the country illegally? Is it the American people's fault? Is it Trump's fault?

 

Do we know the government's reason for denying him a visa? Do we know if he's telling the truth that he isn't an alcoholic? Do we know he's telling the truth that a doctor cited alcoholism, and that that was the deciding factor when immigration authorities denied him re-entry?

 

No. We don't know any of those things, because again, the person who wrote the story didn't even try to verify the facts and, judging by the language in the story, did not even bother reaching out to the proper government agencies to get answers about the case. All we know is what Flores says. And despite the implication that this is something to do with Trump's policies or executive orders, buried all the way down at the bottom of the story, we learn it is not -- Flores' application was rejected on Nov. 9, the day after the presidential election. That means Barack Obama was president when this happened, and Flores was rejected under rules and guidelines set by Obama's administration. Trump wasn't even sworn in until another 2 1/2 months later. That's a pretty important point to make clear, don't you think, if this story is being presented as some sort of anecdote about life under the terrible and dystopian Trump regime?

 

This is a spectacular example of media bias and incompetence, and this is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about when we complain about fake news, deceptive news and slanted news.

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Originally Posted by Ginny View Post
 


I said he was taking us down the communist route, a more extreme form of socialism.   He definitely had socialist leanings considering his mom was a "cultural Marxist" and his dad's friend was Obama's mentor, who was the head of the Communist Party/ USA (Hawaii).  

 

The polls do what?

 

The polls show his high approval ratings. Have you been listening to the news? This has been frequently pointed out. And don't ask me for a citation; if you want to see the polls, google them.

 

Obama didn't grow up with his dad, so I don't know how he would know his dad's friend, much less be Obama's mentor.

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Originally Posted by Plan View Post
 

Just want to note that the locations in xlpooper's post above are all locations in my neck of the woods, and DWI and sexual assault are the two major, most common crimes illegal immigrants get popped for.

 

A police lieutenant put it to me this way once: A lot of these guys are coming from countries where it's either legal, or acceptable for a 35-year-old man to hit on and have sex with a 16-year-old girl, and when they come here they don't respect our rules and cultural values regarding that kind of behavior. Many don't even see it as wrong or troubling. It happens constantly. In addition to that, Latin American culture is very different when it comes to treatment of women, and what's acceptable in regard to behaving around women, addressing them, respecting them, etc.

 

As for the DWIs, you have guys who come to the U.S. to make money and send it back home, which means they're leaving their families behind. Often they're living with other guys, all renting the houses or apartments together, and they've got two main forms of entertainment -- going to the local taxi dance place and paying Latin women to dance with them, or picking up a few cases of beer and getting savagely drunk while playing FIFA.

 

Now just to put this in perspective, a lot of people won't even shop in the towns with high illegal immigrant populations, because if you get hit by one of them, it's your insurance that's going to pay for it, and your premium that goes up. These people are not driving with licenses, much less insurance. Likewise, if you park your car and it gets dinged (which happens all the time), these guys aren't going to leave a note. They're just going to take off. Again, no license, no insurance.

 

So the societal costs here are much higher than the tally of education, healthcare and social service resources provided to illegal immigrants. We've got millions of people driving without licenses or car insurance, and we've got a cultural and language divide that will never be bridged because these are people who do not plan on staying in the country or making it their home.


New Mexico spent years handing out DL to illegals saying this would let them buy insurance. It hasn't worked but it attracted illegals from all over the planet looking for an easy legit form of ID. More than one DMV worker has been found guilty of working on the side selling them for big bucks and letting them use their personal info to establish residence. But not so much on buying insurance. You get hit by an illegal here you better have full coverage and uninsured.

This doesn't begin to touch the petty property crimes and shoplifting issues. ( one store had a monitor that played in a loop explaining why shoplifting is bad and what the consequence would be in Spanish.) Medicade fraud was costing our one clinic thousands because they would share one ID. Read about the drug cartels in NM.  Break the law go to jail get deported. Come back go to jail for some hard time and then get deported.

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