TheCatSite.com › Forums › General Forums › IMO: In My Opinion › Thoughts on a Trump government
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Thoughts on a Trump government

post #1 of 4149
Thread Starter 

OK, let's start over and we'll try to keep it on more courteous level. 

 

But we need something to make us smile, too, and I chuckled this morning when a friend sent this to me. It's all over FB as well. Some of these are simply hilarious. (Long live Barack and Joe! :D....and besides, I didn't know where else to put this.)

 

https://www.inverse.com/article/23764-best-joe-biden-memes (warning: may contain some cuss words)

post #2 of 4149

It's really too soon to tell.  I don't like some of the names floating around but that doesn't mean they will be the picks.  They were talking about this on Morning Joe.  They were saying that when people want a job they will start leaking to the press, it doesn't mean they will be the pick.  

 

I certainly don't like John Bolton or Rudy Guilliani for State.  I don't think John Bolton will be picked.  He is a neo-con on steroids and Donald Trump has said that we shouldn't be getting involved in all these conflicts around the world.  Rudy unfortunately did work on the Trump  campaign but he has no relevant experience.  He has also taken money from foreign governments and an organization tied to an Iranian terror group for speaking fees, those are the same issues that were used against Hillary Clinton when  she was at State.  I  have heard the name of Bob Corker though not nearly as much.  What I do know about him I think he would be a good pick.

 

He has talked to Chuck Shumer which is a good sign.  Shumer has said that they could work together on an infra structure bill.  I guess they go way back and Donald Trump has been a consistent donor to his campaign fund.

post #3 of 4149
Haha, those are hilarious! I always thought Joe Biden seemed like a clumsy overeager puppy biggrin.gif.

Apparently asking people questions and/or pointing out angles you don't think they have considered isn't "courteous" so I won't say everything I want to say. I'll just say that the thought of Trump in any position of power terrifies me. It's highly likely that very bad things are going to happen to people he and his cronies don't consider fully human, and I don't want to be here for that. But there aren't a lot of options, are there?

Seriously, any other candidate would have been fine with me. Agree with them, disagree with them, whatever. If they play by the rules it all works out in the end. This guy does not play by the rules and is showing all signs of becoming a populist dictator. I don't want to live in a country under the rule of a populist dictator.
post #4 of 4149

Donald Trump is going to be the next President. I don't think there is much point now in getting upset about what he might do. Why not just wait and see what he actually does and then comment on that?

 

I'm glad he jettisoned Chris Christie. Well, I'm glad because Christie would be a poor fit for any cabinet position. BUT, rumor is that Trump fired him as retribution for  distancing himself from Trump after the Access Hollywood tapes came out. I've heard that Trump demands absolute loyalty and that he is big on taking vengeance on anyone who disappoints him. That is not a good sign. A President needs people around him who aren't afraid to criticism him.

 

I think Rudy Guilliani as Secretary of State is as hard to imagine as Donald Trump as President. And for pretty much the same reasons.

 

I think I read that Corker claims no one has spoken to him about the job even though his name keeps coming up in the press.

post #5 of 4149

Rudy Giuliani for anything is a nightmare.,,,

 

He just seems too bulldogish to be able to have a civil conversation about anything..and could never agree to bend or compromise on anything...

 

Just my opinion

post #6 of 4149

I did hear something about Frank Gaffney getting involved with the transition team.  That is bad news.  He is another one in the same mold as John Bolton.  That is not good.  We have had entirely too much of that kind of stuff in the government already.  I don't know what it is with these neo cons but they seem to always find a way to worm their way into things.   

post #7 of 4149
The most alarming is Steve Bannon. Any other politician who got caught looking in his general direction would have lost his career. Yet he's going to be Chief Strategist. If you've never read Breitbart or other alt-right stuff. . .well, I can't say I recommend reading it, because it's so vile, but then you'd understand why so many people are so scared. They literally and openly say that women and minorities are not fully human and don't deserve to have any rights at all. And that man will have a lot of influence over the way the country is run.
post #8 of 4149

I know Breitbart traffics in conspiracy theories.  I know that Alan Dershowitz has said that he has seen no evidence that he is anti-semitc.  I know that he is very much into class politics and thinks that Wall Street needs cleaned up  http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/16/steve-bannon-could-be-wall-street-worst-enemy.html   I know that the Washington Post has walked some things back and taken a 'wait and see' attitude.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-steve-bannon-really-as-bad-as-all-that/2016/11/15/3c74af12-ab81-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html?utm_term=.ab063560d3ef

 

Given Donald Trump's campaign and at the very least the willingness of Steve Bannon to use race as a means to an end, he was not a good choice.  I don't know exactly what he will be doing, that job tends to vary by the President and the person holding that job.  It is the same job that Karl Rove and John Podesta has held.  Karl Rove and to a lesser extent John Podesta,  tended to be political hacks.

 

He was not a good choice though if nothing else simply because it pours more gasoline on the fire.

post #9 of 4149
I saw the memes on another site - hilarious.

I was shocked that Hillary lost but DT will be with us for at least 4 years so we must bear it. My biggest fear is that he will get us unto WWIII.
post #10 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Primula View Post

I saw the memes on another site - hilarious.

I was shocked that Hillary lost but DT will be with us for at least 4 years so we must bear it. My biggest fear is that he will get us unto WWIII.

That is why I don't want to see neo cons anywhere close.  I saw Rand Paul on Morning Joe and he was adamant that John Bolton would not be Secretary of State.  He said that he knew there would be enough Democrats and Republicans to stop his appointment.  He wasn't as adamant about Rudy Guilliani but he did say he would have some serious questions about his business ties outside of the U.S.

post #11 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denice View Post

That is why I don't want to see neo cons anywhere close.  I saw Rand Paul on Morning Joe and he was adamant that John Bolton would not be Secretary of State.  He said that he knew there would be enough Democrats and Republicans to stop his appointment.  He wasn't as adamant about Rudy Guilliani but he did say he would have some serious questions about his business ties outside of the U.S.

Neocons are terrifying. Shades of George W. who, amazingly to me, got two terms.
post #12 of 4149

I just saw another Rand Paul interview.  Now he is saying that he also cannot support Rudy Giulliani and that he would join a fillibuster against both he and John Bolton.

post #13 of 4149
Oh good. I don't think I could stomach RG as S of S. Wonder what changed his mind? It will be interesting to see how often the Repubs feel they have to block a Trump action.

Let the fun begin!
post #14 of 4149

I have always liked Rand Paul.  He isn't as extreme as his father and better at cooperating then his father was but he has core principles and will buck his party if he feels he needs to.  It's ironic that he and Mitch McConnell are from the same state.  Mitch McConnell has no core principles beyond taking care of the big money interests.  That is probably why Mitch McConnell worked against Rand Paul the first time he ran for Senator.  Rand Paul actually was in the mix early in the Republican presidential primaries but dropped out fairly early.  He was one of the ones that couldn't get noticed.

post #15 of 4149
A spokesman for a major super PAC backing Donald Trump said that the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII is a precedent for what they want to do to Muslims: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/17/japanese-internment-is-precedent-for-national-muslim-registry-prominent-trump-backer-says/?client=ms-android-verizon

I didn't know that the ruling allowing race-based internment of innocent American citizens was never overturned. I suppose nobody has challenged it because it hasn't happened since then.
post #16 of 4149

I will say something about this when it is something advanced by the administration.  Just as I don't smear Democrat's with radical ideas from people like George Soro's and his funded PAC's that back Democratic candidates I don't smear Republicans with radical ideas from the PAC's that back Republican candidates.

post #17 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denice View Post

I will say something about this when it is something advanced by the administration.  Just as I don't smear Democrat's with radical ideas from people like George Soro's and his funded PAC's that back Democratic candidates I don't smear Republicans with radical ideas from the PAC's that back Republican candidates.

But all this hateful rhetoric is a huge problem in and of itself. People have stopped wearing their hijabs because it's too dangerous. It's reckless NOT to talk about what all this means and where it could go. Hate crimes have rocketed!
post #18 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denice View Post
 

I have always liked Rand Paul.

 

Oops! I mis-read your post. I thought you said Paul Ryan was opposing Guilliani's appointment. Ryan's opposition would have more sway than Rand Paul's.

post #19 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denice View Post
 

I will say something about this when it is something advanced by the administration.  Just as I don't smear Democrat's with radical ideas from people like George Soro's and his funded PAC's that back Democratic candidates I don't smear Republicans with radical ideas from the PAC's that back Republican candidates.

 

I agree. We really shouldn't get our knickers in a twist until there substantial evidence that there is something to get twisted about. But the registry idea is something to watch out for. It isn't just coming from the super PAC. Trumps immigration advisers are said to be contemplating it:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/17/japanese-internment-is-precedent-for-national-muslim-registry-prominent-trump-backer-says/

 

Quote:
Higbie’s remarks came a day after a key member of Trump’s transition team, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, said Trump’s policy advisers were weighing whether to send him a formal proposal for a national registry of immigrants and visitors from Muslim countries. Kobach, a possible candidate for attorney general, told Reuters that the team was considering a reinstatement of a similar program he helped design after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks while serving in the Justice Department under President George W. Bush.

 

As discussed it would apply to non-citizens. Not that that makes it much better. And it does seem to be, what, third hand information? They can propose it but what matters is what Trump does in response. I know he has said in the past that he supports that kind of registry but that was then, this is now. Wait to see what he does.

post #20 of 4149

He is talking to Nikki Haley today.  The press is jumping to the conclusion that it is for State.  I can't see that, she has no experience or special knowledge for that.  She is a popular governor and seen as a rising star in the Republican party.  The clips I have seen of her she is very well spoken even in press conferences.  It would be good to put her somewhere in the cabinet but not at State.

post #21 of 4149

Trump is meeting with Mitt Romney at one of his golf courses this weekend.  Mitt Romney was one of, if not his harshest Republican critics.  

post #22 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denice View Post
 

Trump is meeting with Mitt Romney at one of his golf courses this weekend.  Mitt Romney was one of, if not his harshest Republican critics.  


I have a feeling that Trump is going to pick Romney because of the health care overhaul. When Romney was Governor in Massachusetts, he set up the "RomneyCare"  which was what the Obamacare is based on.   

 

I am thinking Romney's job will be to fix Obamacare...

post #23 of 4149

This morning Joe Scarborough said he talked to Donald Trump yesterday and asked him about the rumor that he was meeting with Mitt Romney.  He asked him because Mitt Romney was so hard on him all through the campaign and said that he did not vote for him.   Donald Trump told him that he had been pounding on Mitt Romney for five years and that politics is a rough business and you have to be able to take it as well as dish it out.  I hope that is true, that he does really feel that way.

post #24 of 4149

He named Jeff Sessions as AG.  I don't know if that is a good idea.  He will probably get confirmed but that is going to add to the negative narrative.  He is an older Senator from the deep South.  Like most older politicians from the deep South they can go well into his past and dig up things about race that are not good.  Unfortunately going back that far politicians in the deep South had to at least pay lip service to unfavorable things about race to get elected and stay elected.  Any other President elect would not have issues with this except from the very hard left but this is not good for Donald Trump.

post #25 of 4149

Japanese internment camps is a sore spot for me because I know very many people whose parents and grandparents were rounded up and shipped away from their home towns.  Despicable.  If Mr. Trumps Muslim registry (would Christians from Syria, Turkey and Lebanon be on it?) is as efficient as the present no-Fly List, then little old ladies, people with common names, as well as the rest of us...are in trouble.

 

People named Ted Kennedy, David Nelson (Ozzie & Harriet) and Bill O'Reilly have been detained for additional scrutiny at airports.

post #26 of 4149

It's a program that was in effect up until 2011.  The program is actually still there but they merely quit using it.  I forget now how many or which countries were on it but all but North Korea were countries that were mostly Muslim.  Yes it is anyone coming to this country on a visitor's visa.  It was started because the 911 terrorists had overstayed their Visas, blended in and then started taking flying lessons.  The objections to it is of course it targets Muslims because there are very few people who are not Muslim in those countries.  It also does not address European and American homegrown terrorists.  

 

It does not have anything to do with American citizens.  The horrible thing that was done to Japanese Americans targeted all Americans that were of Japanese descent.


Edited by Denice - 11/18/16 at 8:17am
post #27 of 4149
Thread Starter 

IMO, another reason to do business with Penzey. YMMV and that's OK. I will continue to support them.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/17/1601088/-Wow-Penzeys-Spice-Re-Racism

 

(I didn't know where else to put this.)

post #28 of 4149
The "this is fine" dog has updated to keep up with the times biggrin.gif: https://mobile.twitter.com/hbons/status/798268184503545856
post #29 of 4149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artiemom View Post
 


I have a feeling that Trump is going to pick Romney because of the health care overhaul. When Romney was Governor in Massachusetts, he set up the "RomneyCare"  which was what the Obamacare is based on.   

 

I am thinking Romney's job will be to fix Obamacare...

 

Trump was or is considering Romney for Secretary of State. Yes, the guy who made gaffe after gaffe during his campaign until his handlers shut him up.

post #30 of 4149
Thread Starter 

Jeff Sessions for Attorney General? I have to seriously wonder if Trump is purposely making the worst decisions he could possibly make, just to say "Screw you!" to everybody. IMO, Sessions is a racist, plain and simple. 

 

I think I would sooner see Mitt Romney than John Bolton as S of S. If Bolton had his way, we'd be smack in the middle of a war with Iran. 

 

I also wonder if Bannon didn't come in the campaign back in August, saying, "Look, I'll make sure you win, but I want something out of this." and Trump agreed. Why else would anybody in his right mind choose Bannon for anything? Oh, never mind.....I just answered my own question.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: IMO: In My Opinion
TheCatSite.com › Forums › General Forums › IMO: In My Opinion › Thoughts on a Trump government