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post #31 of 55
He is on a probiotic, Just Food for Dogs probiotic live due to transitioning fro wellness to hound and Gatos. They have only been on HG for a month now and I am transitioning again, I may need to go real slow, like a teaspoon a day!
post #32 of 55
I think the ingredients are great but why have they not answered the questions asked by Dr Lisa Pierson so she can add their nutritional calories of protein, fat and carbs? Right now she does NOT recommend this brand? Anyone????
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

I think the ingredients are great but why have they not answered the questions asked by Dr Lisa Pierson so she can add their nutritional calories of protein, fat and carbs? Right now she does NOT recommend this brand? Anyone????

They respond to this question all the time on their FB page. They have most of the info listed on their website, they have the calories info on their FB as well as the info on phos levels. 

post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

I think the ingredients are great but why have they not answered the questions asked by Dr Lisa Pierson so she can add their nutritional calories of protein, fat and carbs? Right now she does NOT recommend this brand? Anyone????

I wondered the same thing when I saw that on Dr. P's site: I've seen Feline Natural nutrition info on Facebook and here. I totally trust their foods and our cats love both their canned and freeze-dried!
post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

I thought so, it seems like every time I open a can I am scraping the gum like substance off, don't know if this is ok on the food like that???

What gum? FN is gum free. I noticed some of the food sticks to the smaller cans more so than the larger ones.
post #36 of 55
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Originally Posted by LisaHE View Post

I wondered the same thing when I saw that on Dr. P's site: I've seen Feline Natural nutrition info on Facebook and here. I totally trust their foods and our cats love both their canned and freeze-dried!

Did Dr. Pierson update her list? I'm on a phone now, hard to access her charts.

Let me just say this: FN has offered transparency of their ingredient sourcing via the pledge, (you all know which one I'm talking about), they are also one of the very few cat foods to make "the list" of approved foods, year after year after year ... so not sure what happened with Dr. P, however, I trust FN. Get the info you need, as missmimz suggested, via posting to their FB page. I needed phosphorus info and they responded to my inquiries.
post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by LisaMarie12 View Post


Did Dr. Pierson update her list? I'm on a phone now, hard to access her charts.

Let me just say this: FN has offered transparency of their ingredient sourcing via the pledge, (you all know which one I'm talking about), they are also one of the very few cat foods to make "the list" of approved foods, year after year after year ... so not sure what happened with Dr. P, however, I trust FN. Get the info you need, as missmimz suggested, via posting to their FB page. I needed phosphorus info and they responded to my inquiries.


Yes, she updated her list. She added lots of foods and data. But she no longer lists phosphorus or dry matter carbs... I got very used to dry matter carbs!

post #38 of 55
I am concerned that the protein is so low 6.8 for lamb and chicken, and the fact they are almost all water, so where is the bulk of the nutrients? I don't like GA min and that is what they are giving us? I have asked for their dry matter analysis lets see what info I get.
post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

I am concerned that the protein is so low 6.8 for lamb and chicken, and the fact they are almost all water, so where is the bulk of the nutrients? I don't like GA min and that is what they are giving us? I have asked for their dry matter analysis lets see what info I get.

The chicken and lamb is the lowest. Their other varieties that have fish are higher. I wouldn't feed the chicken and lamb exclusively. 

post #40 of 55
I agree. I don't like any fish because of toxins. Can you tell me what you feed ur kitties? I have never rotated and am not sure how to start. Right now I give them hound and Gatos rabbit, chicken and lamb. I hope this is a good food with the new cannery and everything, then I will give occasionally FN lamb and chicken and I may try Fromm canned? Your thoughts on Fromm canned? Thanks.
post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

I agree. I don't like any fish because of toxins. Can you tell me what you feed ur kitties? I have never rotated and am not sure how to start. Right now I give them hound and Gatos rabbit, chicken and lamb. I hope this is a good food with the new cannery and everything, then I will give occasionally FN lamb and chicken and I may try Fromm canned? Your thoughts on Fromm canned? Thanks.

They use NZ Hoki fish and salmon. Hoki is supposedly supposed to have less issues with contamination. I've fed both the lamb/salmon and beef/hoki. I don't really have an issue feeding it in rotation, but I'm probably not repurchasing either of those just because my cats aren't that excited about beef anymore, and don't really love lamb either. I feed mostly raw, I keep FN around as a snack. I don't know much about Fromm. Feeding rotation is easy. You just feed different foods AM and PM, or do one food for one week, another food for another week. I think daily rotation is better, personally. If i fed canned I would rotate at least 4 flavors/brands. 

post #42 of 55
Thanks for your input. When feeding raw do you make your own supplements or get a premix? All our vets here shutter when they hear raw food. What is your experience with cooking chicken thighs and liver then use a premix at each serving with warm water? Anyone any thoughts? I can't really find a canned food that is good out there? I won't feed friskies or Sheba as one got sick on sh ba and one cannot tolerate rice?
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

Thanks for your input. When feeding raw do you make your own supplements or get a premix? All our vets here shutter when they hear raw food. What is your experience with cooking chicken thighs and liver then use a premix at each serving with warm water? Anyone any thoughts? I can't really find a canned food that is good out there? I won't feed friskies or Sheba as one got sick on sh ba and one cannot tolerate rice?

I use EZcomplete, alnutrin with eggshell calcium, and alnutrin for meat and bone. I use different pre-mixes for different meats, or for different cats. My vet is pro-raw, but there are a lot that aren't. I think homecooking is way better than canned, and it's a good step towards raw for those that aren't really comfortable with raw yet. EZcomplete you can use with cooked, or alnutrin with eggshell. You don't need liver for EZcomplete. I don't give my cats anything with rice in it, cats can't digest rice. 

 

I think the best foods for canned are Feline Naturals and Ziwipeak 

Freeze dried raw like Primal, Stella and Chewy, Northwest Naturals, Fresh is Best

Commercial raw like Rad Cat

post #44 of 55
Thank you so much! I contacted FN to ask for dry matter protein, fat and carb and they informed me that their ingr didn't list is under watch dog key and lock and cannot disclose that? I asked for them to confirm my own calculations of 22% carbs based on their can percentages. I used Dr Pierson equation adding everything up and guessing on ash content and in last step took 4.07% divide by 17.7 and came up with 22%. I have asked for them to at least verify that let's see. I will research you mixes, thanks again!
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

Thank you so much! I contacted FN to ask for dry matter protein, fat and carb and they informed me that their ingr didn't list is under watch dog key and lock and cannot disclose that? I asked for them to confirm my own calculations of 22% carbs based on their can percentages. I used Dr Pierson equation adding everything up and guessing on ash content and in last step took 4.07% divide by 17.7 and came up with 22%. I have asked for them to at least verify that let's see. I will research you mixes, thanks again!

There's no way the carbs are 22%. There isn't anything in the food to drive the carb content up that much. I used the carb calculator based on the info on their website and guessed 2% for ash and I got under 1% carbs, which sounds accurate. 

 

http://fnae.org/carbcalorie.html

post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by missmimz View Post
 

There's no way the carbs are 22%. There isn't anything in the food to drive the carb content up that much. I used the carb calculator based on the info on their website and guessed 2% for ash and I got under 1% carbs, which sounds accurate. 

 

http://fnae.org/carbcalorie.html

I think @Ivory is computing the percentage of calories from carbohydrates, while the calculator you are using gives the dry matter percentage.

 

In the right column, you will find the values per 100 g of food, and you can divide the calorie estimate by the total calories in 100 g of food.

 

The Chicken & Lamb Feast seems to be higher in calories from carbs (~26 out of ~93 calories in 100 g of food).  I didn't plug in a value for ash, however, which would lower this value slightly.

 

@missmimz I do agree with you though... I'm not sure what ingredients are contributing the carbs.  I don't feed this food so I haven't done much research into it.  It might just be that the data we have from the can/website is not close enough to the actual values to get an accurate estimate.


Edited by dorimon - 3/22/17 at 7:34am
post #47 of 55
Thank you so very much!!! I may not continue use with this food anyway. I am researching home cooked food right now so will stick to hound and Gatos only because I don't want to upset their stomachs again until I get enough info I need to make my own food for them. Anyone with any suggestions.
post #48 of 55
You are right. Thanks for checking for me. This is the response I got from K9"
We can confirm that there are absolutely no carbohydrates in any of our Feline Natural products. For a cat's optimum nutrition as an obligate carnivore, our recipes are made up of over 99% meat, blood, bone and offal, with the last of our recipe made up from green-lipped mussels and essential nutrients."
Thanks everyone!
post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ivory View Post

You are right. Thanks for checking for me. This is the response I got from K9"
We can confirm that there are absolutely no carbohydrates in any of our Feline Natural products. For a cat's optimum nutrition as an obligate carnivore, our recipes are made up of over 99% meat, blood, bone and offal, with the last of our recipe made up from green-lipped mussels and essential nutrients."
Thanks everyone!

So while not it is not possible to have "absolutely no carbohydrates" (the only food group which is free of carbohydrates is fats and oils), it is great to hear that Feline Natural is low in carbohydrates.

post #50 of 55

I wouldn't feed the FN chicken and lamb exclusively, just because it is rather low in protein and calories. My only assumption for that is because it's a very soft pate that it does have a lot of water added. I think it's good food though. My cats don't like the changes to ZP so I'm not using that any longer and I'm going to just stick with FN only for their night snack. Mostly sticking with the chicken and venison, chicken and lamb, maybe rotating in the beef too. 


Edited by missmimz - 3/22/17 at 12:30pm
post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by Manx View Post

FN has also come out with two new flavors. Beef and Hoki and Lamb and Salmon. My cat likes these and as long as you only feed occasionally then the fish shouldn't be an issue.
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I fed my cats FN and their preference is the Hoki (fish) 🤠. Why should fish be fed on an occasional basis ?
post #52 of 55
^^ Sorry *feed* not *fed* 😺
post #53 of 55
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Originally Posted by KimberlyG View Post

I fed my cats FN and their preference is the Hoki (fish) 🤠. Why should fish be fed on an occasional basis ?

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/can-i-feed-my-cat-a-fish-based-or-fish-flavored-diet

post #54 of 55
Thanks, Dorimon 😺.
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by missmimz View Post
 

I wouldn't feed the FN chicken and lamb exclusively, just because it is rather low in protein and calories. My only assumption for that is because it's a very soft pate that it does have a lot of water added. I think it's good food though. My cats don't like the changes to ZP so I'm not using that any longer and I'm going to just stick with FN only for their night snack. Mostly sticking with the chicken and venison, chicken and lamb, maybe rotating in the beef too. 

 

Sigh...

I've been feeding ZP Rabbit and Lamb but now I'm afraid to buy an entire case from Chewy only for them to reject it. 

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