I need help with problems with my kitty's Breeder

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I am sorry! Please believe me when I say not all breeders are cut from this cloth. As advised, I would lodge a complaint with every association she uses to register her cats. Since you paid cash for the cat it is possible that she is not reporting the income for tax purposes - maybe contact the IRS and your local/state government body? In the past it was common practice that if a kitten was not neutered before leaving the breeder to go as a pet (what most do now ) that the papers be withheld until proof of spaying/neutering. I would also check into going to small claims court - sometimes just the threat of it will get action.  Just don't threaten that if you don't intend to follow through. At this point you probably never will get the papers, but I would be a squeaky wheel - that is just me though, I am stubborn.

For anyone considering a purchase of a kitten I know the CFA has a page of breeders who have been disciplined. It may be worth it to check out the names before buying. Not fool proof, but can help.

http://www.cfa.org/Portals/0/documents/org/disciplinary-suspensions.pdf

I know breeders who have offered full price of the kitten back with the purchaser keeping the kitten or returning it (their choice) because of a health issue not discovered before the kitten left the breeder - I have done this myself. A good breeder does not make money, they do it for love of the breed. My last litter required a c-section, which cost more than the one kitten I placed from the litter  and that isn't even figuring in food, litter etc. My only regret is that we lost one of the kittens and Mom had to suffer from an operation - the money was secondary to the cats and their health.
 
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Tica wont get involved unless their is a health issue with the cat your got from the breeder. If the breeder is ignoring you or your complaining the breeder isnt supportive they do nothing. Trust me, I know from experience, I feel so bad for this person. Ive been through a different issue with the breeder.
 
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I wrote to CFA, early Wednesday morning. I would like to just know that the person got my email. I have heard nothing back. Very very dismayed by my whole experience in buying what I thought was a purebred Applehead Siamese.  My first experience with my Seal Point Ziggy could have not been better. Unfortunately after having him for 10.5 years he died of cancer.
 

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I am a breeder, and there are some things said in this topic that are kind of offensive. I understand some of you are disappointed with the way some breeders handled things, but not all breeders out there are as bad as you are saying. I can with 100% honesty say that my kittens and cats mean everything for me and are my number one priority. I also want to make families happy with our kittens, so if anything bad happens I will be the first one to help and assist where I can. Please don't see all breeders like the same kind of group; some might be bad, but certainly not all are.

The best thing to do for the person starting this topic is to write to the club of the cattery. Clubs can have a large influence on a cattery and they can also put them on a blacklist making it a lot harder for a cattery to do anything. I am sure that this cattery will not risk being blacklisted over a pedigree you have all right to, to get. Also, if this does not work, you can go to court and fight it with the contract that you have. You will have a decent case, but it will be more for your own feeling than to gain much from it. I personally wouldn't go that far.

If you have any questions or want my help any further, you are always free to send me a PM. 
 
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I am a breeder, and there are some things said in this topic that are kind of offensive. I understand some of you are disappointed with the way some breeders handled things, but not all breeders out there are as bad as you are saying. I can with 100% honesty say that my kittens and cats mean everything for me and are my number one priority. I also want to make families happy with our kittens, so if anything bad happens I will be the first one to help and assist where I can. Please don't see all breeders like the same kind of group; some might be bad, but certainly not all are.

The best thing to do for the person starting this topic is to write to the club of the cattery. Clubs can have a large influence on a cattery and they can also put them on a blacklist making it a lot harder for a cattery to do anything. I am sure that this cattery will not risk being blacklisted over a pedigree you have all right to, to get. Also, if this does not work, you can go to court and fight it with the contract that you have. You will have a decent case, but it will be more for your own feeling than to gain much from it. I personally wouldn't go that far.

If you have any questions or want my help any further, you are always free to send me a PM. 
Hello Biancavd:

Thank you for responding. One bad experience, can cloud the way we might feel about things. I am glad you answered. I think we can pretty much all agree that not all breeders are bad. I know I wanted my kitty experience to be a good one, if only as good as what I had with my Ziggy. I spoke with a breeder of Applehead Siamese in another state and she was impressive. At the time I hesitated about going to another state, and she didn't have a kitty ready.

What is the "club" of the cattery?  How would I find this out? As I stated I wrote to the CFA and have heard nothing back. I followed all of the rules, and just want to finish with what I was lead to believe in a contract that I would receive. 

Thank you again,  for responding.
 

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I'm sure cat breeders are the same as people in any other profession.  There are some good, ethical, honest breeders and there are some dishonest shysters.  That is just the way of the world.
 

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Papers?
What's their purpose? 
Are you going to sell your cat?
Are you going to show your cat?
Bragging Rights?

If it's that important to you....If your cat's just not the same without official paperwork and you just "have to have it".  
IF it's really THAT BIG A DEAL...

You paid cash...
You can assume you're not the only one that paid cash...

I'd ask very nicely for the paperwork, and a receipt.   "You know, for TAX REPORTING purposes".

Betcha that gets paperwork in your hands within a couple days.
But, regardless of right/wrong/good/bad/he said/she said.   Do you REALLY need to worry about this?
 

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^^^

If you pay for a cat with papers, then you need to get those papers regardless of the use. Papers are important. Even for pets.
 
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Papers?
What's their purpose? 
Are you going to sell your cat?
Are you going to show your cat?
Bragging Rights?

If it's that important to you....If your cat's just not the same without official paperwork and you just "have to have it".  
IF it's really THAT BIG A DEAL...

You paid cash...
You can assume you're not the only one that paid cash...

I'd ask very nicely for the paperwork, and a receipt.   "You know, for TAX REPORTING purposes".

Betcha that gets paperwork in your hands within a couple days.
But, regardless of right/wrong/good/bad/he said/she said.   Do you REALLY need to worry about this?
Papers: You are really off the mark, and it's  NOT for you to say. However, I may just try the tax reporting purposes, cause I'm really getting tired of getting no where. This is my kitty I paid hundreds, close to a thousand and I did all that was required of me. I expect the same to fulfill this contract between the new kitty parent and breeder. I'm just about to go public everyplace I can with  the name of this breeder. I've had enough. 
 

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Papers: You are really off the mark, and it's  NOT for you to say. However, I may just try the tax reporting purposes, cause I'm really getting tired of getting no where. This is my kitty I paid hundreds, close to a thousand and I did all that was required of me. I expect the same to fulfill this contract between the new kitty parent and breeder. I'm just about to go public everyplace I can with  the name of this breeder. I've had enough. 

Also, if people find papers un important, then why buy a purebred in the first place?

You have a contract with this woman? If it says after doing XXY and then you'll get her papers, then you may want to try small claims court. She is obligated by law to give you those papers. Of course if something isn't in her contract, then there isn't much anyone can do. :(

Again, I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. Been there done that.
 
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Also, if people find papers un important, then why buy a purebred in the first place?

You have a contract with this woman? If it says after doing XXY and then you'll get her papers, then you may want to try small claims court. She is obligated by law to give you those papers. Of course if something isn't in her contract, then there isn't much anyone can do.


Again, I'm so sorry you're dealing with this. Been there done that.
I agree Oldgloryrags regarding my kitty's papers. I set out to specifically buy a purebred Siamese kitty. I had a contract which I followed, I expect the same. Not cold shouldered being ignored. I'm wondering how small claims works. She lives in southern CA and I'm in northern Ca. Do I have to go to her area to sue her?

 My husband years ago sued someone who ran into his car, and never paid. He sued and won in small claims court yet was never paid the settlement.
 

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Papers are not just  papers. It's your 'proof' that you have a purebred kitten. You have the right to look into their history(/lines) and know about hereditary diseases. It also gives a sense of security, as pedigree cats are bred on a whole different level than those without.

Aside from that, if she won't give the paper, it makes you wonder if maybe there is something wrong you are not allowed to find out. And it also makes you wonder if the contract is even worth anything (I assume it's also filled with health insurances and other promises). It's not just about the papers. It's about every promise you make between the breeder. It's honestly, basically a scam if she won't deliver what's rightfully yours.

You can indeed try the sueing as I said before also. Most breeders budge when you only mention going to court. Because their name is more important to them then keeping that one pedigree is.
 
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Papers: You are really off the mark, and it's  NOT for you to say. However, I may just try the tax reporting purposes, cause I'm really getting tired of getting no where. This is my kitty I paid hundreds, close to a thousand and I did all that was required of me. I expect the same to fulfill this contract between the new kitty parent and breeder. I'm just about to go public everyplace I can with  the name of this breeder. I've had enough. 
I disagree.  (read the ENTIRE post, couple of times, with the assumption that I'm attempting to HELP).  
  From what I understand this was a "cash and carry" deal, with either a few promises made by the seller, and/or, a misunderstanding. 
The seller is telling you that cat's, with papers, cost twice as much as what you paid.
You say the seller promised you papers though.

Again, regardless of what's been said, promised, assumed.  Look at where you are right now.  (your word against hers and nothing to indicate anything either way).

SO, from where you are right now, if you want something from the seller, use the only leverage you have.  Which is an assumption that she's probably not reporting her cash sales.  (and that's probably a very good assumption).

That should get you what you want.
 

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Also, if people find papers un important, then why buy a purebred in the first place?

 
Papers are NEEDED to Show, Sell, Breed, Offspring.     Aside from that, wanted is fine, but, not "needed".

If you take her to court, you'll need written proof and/or direct witnesses that were there at the time the exchange took place.  Without written proof, they with the most witnesses wins.  (so make sure she has none, or can find none).

IE: Make sure she doesn't have other buyers from the past that pay less for cat's without papers, or pay more for cats with papers.  Lots of breeders have "regulars" that buy cats every year or so.

And foresee the outcome.  She may just not be able to provide paperwork. There's is a CHANCE that the reason she's not accommodating you is because your kitten isn't what she said it was.

If so, RETURN for REFUND may be a judge's way of setting all this straight.

I just wouldn't want to take that chance.
 
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Papers are NEEDED to Show, Sell, Breed, Offspring.     Aside from that, wanted is fine, but, not "needed".

If you take her to court, you'll need written proof and/or direct witnesses that were there at the time the exchange took place.  Without written proof, they with the most witnesses wins.  (so make sure she has none, or can find none).
IE: Make sure she doesn't have other buyers from the past that pay less for cat's without papers, or pay more for cats with papers.  Lots of breeders have "regulars" that buy cats every year or so.


And foresee the outcome.  She may just not be able to provide paperwork. There's is a CHANCE that the reason she's not accommodating you is because your kitten isn't what she said it was.
If so, RETURN for REFUND may be a judge's way of setting all this straight.
I just wouldn't want to take that chance.


I've been involved with my breed for the past 12, going on 13 years. I have Ragdolls. I am not a breeder, just a show exhibitor and owner. I am also a member in TICA. There is no excuse for a breeder to not give you papers. You're paying for a purebred and papers are part of the deal. There is no "well, you've purchased a pet so you don't need papers". Papers are proof (even if you're only buying a pet) that whatever you bought is indeed what you're expecting. There is no way I am spending $500+ on a cat that a breeder can not prove is a Ragdoll (for example, but any breed) that is complete and utter BS on the breeder's part. Papers are $10-$25 for a whole litter registration. From what the OP is saying, she needs her Siamese's papers regardless of the use. That's all I meant.
 

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Papers are not just papers. It's your 'proof' that you have a purebred kitten. You have the right to look into their history(/lines) and know about hereditary diseases. It also gives a sense of security, as pedigree cats are bred on a whole different level than those without.

Aside from that, if she won't give the paper, it makes you wonder if maybe there is something wrong you are not allowed to find out. And it also makes you wonder if the contract is even worth anything (I assume it's also filled with health insurances and other promises). It's not just about the papers. It's about every promise you make between the breeder. It's honestly, basically a scam if she won't deliver what's rightfully yours.

You can indeed try the sueing as I said before also. Most breeders budge when you only mention going to court. Because their name is more important to them then keeping that one pedigree is.

Thank you for pointing that out that first sentence! Exactly.
 

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I agree Oldgloryrags regarding my kitty's papers. I set out to specifically buy a purebred Siamese kitty. I had a contract which I followed, I expect the same. Not cold shouldered being ignored. I'm wondering how small claims works. She lives in southern CA and I'm in northern Ca. Do I have to go to her area to sue her?

 My husband years ago sued someone who ran into his car, and never paid. He sued and won in small claims court yet was never paid the settlement.


Not sure there. I've never sued. Can you PM a copy of the contract? I believe you need to sue where they are, but that is in my state I think.
 

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I'm sure cat breeders are the same as people in any other profession.  There are some good, ethical, honest breeders and there are some dishonest shysters.  That is just the way of the world.
You're 100% right. Unfortunately the backyard breeders make the good ones look bad too and it's not fair. There are many excellent, ethical breeders out there. The bad ones are too easy to find it seems. :sigh:
 
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I disagree.  (read the ENTIRE post, couple of times, with the assumption that I'm attempting to HELP).  
  From what I understand this was a "cash and carry" deal, with either a few promises made by the seller, and/or, a misunderstanding. 
The seller is telling you that cat's, with papers, cost twice as much as what you paid.
You say the seller promised you papers though.

Again, regardless of what's been said, promised, assumed.  Look at where you are right now.  (your word against hers and nothing to indicate anything either way).

SO, from where you are right now, if you want something from the seller, use the only leverage you have.  Which is an assumption that she's probably not reporting her cash sales.  (and that's probably a very good assumption).

That should get you what you want.
What is wrong with you?

The funniness with cash was NOT on my side. I went in complete honesty and good faith. I paid nearly One Thousand Dollars for my Siamese cat. Nothing funny what- so- ever. I had to sign a contract. The written agreement was for my cat to be neutered by a certain age OR I WOULD BE FINED $750.00.    I did just that.   Do I expect papers?   You bet !  

So you are telling me under your guise a cat with papers would cost me $2,000? Come on - This is completely ridiculous.

So you are telling me , I threaten her with going to the IRS? Oy Vey.
 
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Not sure there. I've never sued. Can you PM a copy of the contract? I believe you need to sue where they are, but that is in my state I think.
Yes, I sadly think that could be correct. More hotel stays and traveling.  This woman advertises on the Internet and is on FB all of the time. 
 
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