6 mo feral adopted from military base, need socialization tips

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Hi all- I am hoping this group of saints can help a newcomer to the feral cat socialization process. My partner and I adopted a six month old from our base shelter, and although she hissed a bit when we first met her, she tolerated being held and petted. Since we brought her home, she really despises both of those things, and we only manage to pet her when she is eating. We've had her for 2.5 weeks now. I've checked out straypetadvocacy.org as well as various threads on here. We weren't really expecting such feralness when we adopted her, nor did we have any idea what taming her would entail, but we are committed and not going to give her up. (Her name is Gertrude, Gertie for short).

Advice I've taken so far:

1. She lives in our bedroom; all the cracks and hiding spots are plugged except for her cat carrier, where she retreats when she feels threatened (which seems like constantly). She also crawls under our comforter to escape. We live in a Japanese house, and only a few of our rooms are air conditioned- this is the smallest and most private we could manage.

2. We have her on a regular feeding schedule- morning and evening food, and in the late morning (about 11) and mid-afternoon (about 2:30) we feed her some snacks- greenies and ground chicken baby food. 

3. We try to make all of our interactions with her positive, and incentivize with food. At worst, we leave on a stalemate, if she decides she's had enough and we bother her into hissing.

4. She plays easily with us- she has a mouse toy on a string/rod and comes out to play as soon as she hears the bell.

5. We leave her alone when she's sleeping, and try to come back soon afterward until she shows herself to be awake.

Concerns I have that I'm hoping someone might allay or advise:

1. She still hides the second we come in the room. She can hear us coming up the stairs and is usually hidden by the time we enter the room, but sometimes runs to hide after we enter. She knows who we are, I think, and that we are bringers of food and fun, so this is confusing. We can usually persuade her to come out with food sounds and her toy.

2. We haven't really made any progress toward voluntary interaction for the past week and a half. It feels like a stalemate. She will tolerate us for food and play, but does not really want our company. She ducks and runs the first couple times I try to pet her while she is eating, and once she settles in she wolfs her food, seemingly so she can end the torture. It has been like this, unchanged, since she started tolerating touch while she eats.

3. She absolutely spits and hisses when I try to get her used to my hand under her belly- I've been working toward petting her in a way that will get her accustomed to the pre-touches of picking up, but she knows exactly what I'm about and is having none of it.

Hopes: 

1. She runs around the room freely at night while we're sleeping. She even walks right up to us sometimes, including when I'm reading, to sniff and examine. 

2. She made fast progress to eating from our hands and playing.

Questions:

1. It seems like there are two methods for taming kittens- forced and cultured. So far we have tried to find a middle ground, but I wonder if, since she is a six month old female, I should treat her more as if she were a grown cat and not a kitten, and take a longer view toward her training. I have the patience, just need a better idea of milestones.

Thanks for any help!
 

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First of all, thank you for your patience.  A lot of people would just give up.  Two+ weeks isn't actually a long time in cat terms. They do not like change and it may take them what seems like forever to adjust.  Also, she may just not have the lap cat personality.

You didn't say if she was spayed.  If not, do that ASAP.  You will be surprised at how much calmer she'll be.

You can try sitting quietly in the room with her - no attention, just your presence.  I read out loud to my fosters.  It gets them used to my voice and presence.  Whenever you go in, talk quietly to her.  Tell her about your day and ask her about hers.  No rushing or sudden moves.

I do not like being rushed or forced, so I use the go-slow approach.  It  may take more time but I'm most comfortable with it.  I would definitely not try to touch her belly yet.  That is a cat's most vulnerable spot and they protect it at all costs.  None of my cats like being picked up.  Yet, whenever I sit down, two or three are lined up to sit in my lap.

Many people here also use the more forced approach.  There is a trick of using a blanket to wrap her in a burrito and pet her that way.

If she is coming up to you when your are engaged in a quiet activity, it tells me she is willing to make friends.  But it sounds like it needs to be on her terms, at least for now,

She is still a kitten, so I would approach it that way.  As she grows older, you will learn more about her.
 
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Thanks for the tips! I feel more comfortable with going slowly, but was just worried that I might miss a window of quicker socialization as she ages. I will try just coming into the room more and not paying attention to her.

She is not spayed yet. I have been planning to do it but was just worried that it would traumatize her into hating us. I am a big advocate of spaying/neutering, though, so it was going to happen regardless... I'll see if I can get it done this week.
 

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I really love this guide for socializing cats: bestfriends.org/resources/socializing-cats-how-socialize-very-shy-or-fearful-cat

You can use her carrier instead of the cage, since that's where she spends most of her time anyway, and then just follow the steps and tips!

I took in a feral kitten who was about 6 months old, and while I'm sure going to the clinic was a frightening experience for him, I picked him up the same day after the surgery when his anesthesia hadn't really worn off yet, and he was too sleepy to be scared! That was the first time he let me pet him for more than a second or two, and he purred so happily while falling asleep. It was a really great turning point for us. He didn't want to go in the carrier after that though, so I gave him a cardboard box instead.

I don't know if you have a box spring mattress with your bed, but if you do be careful because that is a favorite kitty hiding spot and it's very hard to get them out of there.

Her behavior sounds completely normal for her situation, and I think you can be successful! The hissing is kind of a nice sign. It means at least she is strong enough and confident enough to tell you to stay away. And when you can, you can show her that she can trust you by responding when she hisses and backing off so she feels she's being listened to.

Food was the main motivator I used with my kitten in the beginning, but once he started getting just a tad more comfortable, play became the motivator that he really went for. Kittens usually can barely resist playing, so experiment to find a toy or game that she likes, and she'll start realizing this whole house cat deal is pretty great!
 
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This is a great guide!!! Thank you so much. I had done a decent amount of googling but did not find this one. I am reading it now, it's very thorough.

I will keep the carrier/box transition possibility in mind when I take her to the vet. She really likes her carrier right now- we have it tricked out with a nice fluffy cat bed and a blanket/towel, and it's one of her two favorite sleeping spots. I was thinking of getting her a cat tower to have a couple more hidey holes and something besides our nightstand to jump up on- do you think this will make her too independent too soon?

It's good to know that hissing is a positive sign- she is very, very strong-willed, then. Gertie is a very engaged playtime cat- but mostly because she forgets I'm there when she has a mouse on a string to bat around. When she looks at me during playtime she gets skittish again and runs off, but then comes back when she hears the bell. I can tell she's conflicted. 
 

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Hi @ShadyFlowers

Congratulations on your new cat. I actually think you are doing very well with a cat that's only been with you for 2 weeks. Almost all of mine were feral to begin with. There really are no rules about how long it should take for a feral cat to become comfortable with you, every cat is different. Most of mine were close to 6 months old and some were much older when I first met them. I think you've got every chance of getting Gertie socialised.

One thing that helped a lot with my cats is a wand toy. You can use this to play with them and to pet them. You can use it to focus their attention away from your hand so that you can pet them while you play with them. It's also a great way to guide them into or out of a room when they are ready to start exploring the rest of your house.

Are you going to take her to the shelter on your base to be spayed? I guess they are used to handling semi-feral cats?  If you have to take her to another vet I suggest you call around and find one that is willing to treat feral cats. There are TNR programs set up around Kobe and Fukushima and some shelters around Tokyo also do TNR. I've had vets refuse to treat ferals though, so check first.

If she is comfortable in her carrier it will be easy enough to shut her in there to get her to the vet. I suggest you weigh the carrier with her blanket or whatever and write the weight on a label and stick it on the carrier. When you get her to the vet they can weigh the carrier with her in it, work out her weight and give her the surgery anesthetic without taking her out of the carrier. Much less stressful for her.

Can't wait to see some pictures. Is she a bob-tail?

Good luck.
 
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@Norachan  - thanks for the vet advice! I did not know vets might not treat ferals. We adopted her at PAWS Yokosuka, and they have a vet on base, as well as one in town that they recommended. We live in Atsugi, though, so I was going to try and find a vet nearby before I go back to Yoko. I will definitely weigh the carrier with its accoutrements first so we can spare her the grabbing and wrestling. My friend recently adopted a dog and had him neutered locally, so I was going to start with his vet and work from there. If you know of any that specialize in feral cats though, I am happy to travel. I just want this little girl to enjoy life as a member of our family. I'll be as patient as necessary, but am impatient, so to speak, to get there. 

She is a bobtail! How did you guess? Are many feral cats in Japan bob-tailed? I have been wondering intensely about that- almost all the cats at the shelter were the same. I thought maybe it fell off in the winter from hypothermia or some other horrible event. She has about 3 inches of tail, maybe 4- it curls at the end and has a bit of a poof of hair. 

 
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I emailed the Yokosuka VTF and am going to go there- tried to go to the local vet (Yamaguchi) but could not even find anyone who would talk to me. 

Digby looks just like Gertie, very strong ginger tones. Gertie is pretty laid back about proximity when I'm on her level, but when I get tall, she hisses no matter how far she is. 

Gertie and I just seem to be at a stalemate lately- I think spaying should be a big step, and give me new cues for how to interact with her. I am going to make a new petting wand for her, and see if that gets us anywhere in the meantime. 

Thanks again!
 

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I think a cat tower would be great! You just don't want her hiding in places that are completely inaccessible to you, so you can continue to work with her, and so she can watch you during the day and get used to you, but from the safety of her hiding place.
 
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Thanks!

One thing that I have noticed: she neither purrs nor meows, ever. I have never once heard her meow. She growls and hisses, and that is the limit of her vocabulary. Is that common with ferals? 
 

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Thanks!

One thing that I have noticed: she neither purrs nor meows, ever. I have never once heard her meow. She growls and hisses, and that is the limit of her vocabulary. Is that common with ferals? 
Yes, that's normal at first. Feral cats don't meow at people because they don't realise there is any point in trying to "talk" to us. Once she learns that a meow will get her food or a bit of affection she'll start doing it.

It's so sweet when they give you their first little mew when they're hungry or whatever. You'll be wrapped around her furry little paw in no time.

 
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Great news- I finally managed to make an appointment with a local vet to get Gertie spayed. I'm excited but a little nervous for her- I'm going to get her carrier weighed in the meantime in case the vet can administer her anesthesia with her in the cage. Here is the vet, in case anyone in Japan needs an English-speaking local doc: http://yamec.net/english.html

Gertie has been much more social since I stopped petting her while she eats. She is highly food-motivated- she comes IMMEDIATELY when she hears her treat bag or food bowl, even if she had just retreated because a big human walked in. If anyone has any step-further advice based on a cat that loves food, I am open to suggestions. She is still skittish about touch in general, but I have been going in with the wand every now and again when she eats. 

She also attacks my feet promptly at 5 in the morning, every morning. I'm grateful for the interaction but would love it if she could wait an hour and just be like my kitty alarm clock. I'm not sure how to discourage this without going a step back in the trust department.
 

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Great! I'd give her a yummy treat every time you finish a short petting session, so she's rewarded for it and she remembers that the most. I don't know if they sell the same kinds of baby food, but if you can find something that's just plain chicken and water (or maybe puree your own), or something else of that consistency that she likes, you can put it on your finger tips so she can lick it off and get more positive associations with hands.

Aw, for the feet thing, either she likes playing with your feet or it's her way of asking you to get up and get her some food! Either way, the best way to stop it is to just ignore it completely. Pretend you're still asleep, and don't move your feet, because either that's what's making the game fun or it's how she knows that you're awake, which means you might get out of bed and feed her. Just be consistent, and she'll eventually give up, depending on how persistent she is. It's cute that she's comfortable enough to start being a little naughty, though!
 

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So she will come up to you when you are lying down or quietly reading and ignoring her.  That's how she will begin to trust you.  Slowly.  For some reasons some cats LOVE to be ignored.  It's intriguing to them.  I've found that even now, my kitties who were once 2nd generation ferals do not want me to look them in the eye when I approach them.  I still have to look away.  Eye contact is a threat to them so pretend she's not there for a while until she gets more used to you, and even then limit your eye contact with her.  

I always remember the lesson I learned with my mom's cats.  They weren't properly socialized even though they were born to a breeder.  They did not like me at all because I wanted them to love me so bad!  But mom's neighbor, who feels nothing for cats - not hate really, and certainly not love, just nothing, came by one day to visit.  She totally ignored them and they were all over her!  One of them even stepped on her legs and tried to make eye contact with her, but she would not look at them.  (She loved to talk and talk and talk and talk.) 

Of course you don't want to ignore her forever, but just until she feels more comfortable around you and lets you pet her.  I'd still talk to her and let her hear your voice.  Sit down on the floor to make yourself smaller too.  
 
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