Newly tamed feral hisses instead of meows -- common?

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About three weeks back, I saw a kitten (2-3 months old) walking in circles in an alarming manner in the middle of the street... I went outside right away to try to get him, and as I got close, he alerted to my presence and outpaced me to a neighbor's backyard. I went through the gate into the backyard and saw another kitten who quickly joined him before they both disappeared into an adjacent yard. The next day, I went back to look for either of them, this time with traps, and found the first cat dead, likely of disease or malnourishment--almost certainly no physical trauma. I'll never forget that I found out about this litter just days too late... I was able to determine the litter was likely birthed under the neighbor's deck (house had been unoccupied for weeks and I knew a female had been around for the last ~8 months, but I had not imagined she was not spayed), set up many traps, and eventually got the second kitten I saw as well as a third I didn't know existed. At this point, I'm content I have all of the surviving litter (yes, I'm keeping them both :p).

The first cat I trapped (the one I didn't know existed until I found him in the trap) is doing great. He was tame within a single day. He still has a constant starvation mindset and I think he was likely days from succumbing like his brother. I would be surprised if he had ever hunted on his own before I caught him. The second I caught far from the litter site and it's obvious to me he had struck out on his own first of the litter. He isn't starvation-minded as I think he was quite successful before I came along, and his range was relatively large for a cat of his age--I saw him all over the place (only once near the litter site) after the death of the first kitten before finally managing to trap him. This cat being more worldly was totally feral. He was extraordinarily stressed out for a week and had diarrhea more often than not, but has settled down to the point where picking him up is no issue. He purrs, kisses, longs for affection, plays with people and his brother, is cool with the dog, and is in almost all ways a normal cat after not even two weeks.

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He hardly ever meows. Maybe a few meows in the morning when he's lonely and first sees people. With friendly eyes and ears, he hisses when he sees people the rest of the time. When he wants to be taken out of his cage and messed with, he hisses repeatedly likely his brother meows. He's truly not scared anymore--this is just his default vocalization. "Here comes dinner! *hiss* *hiss* *hiss*". It's really cute, actually, and I'm just wondering if it's common for a feral who was so used to hissing out of fear to just stick with it and adapt their familiar hiss into a positive social gesture? It's certainly no problem and not something I want to change (though it may naturally change in time), but stranger would be pretty freaked out by a cat running up to them hissing repeatedly. No one will back this cat into a corner and make him hiss--he'll back them into a corner while hissing. :p

If anyone wondered, the mother cat has, I believe, been dealt with and she won't be having anymore dumpster babies. She's diurnal and well-fed by her people (yes, she has people--irresponsible people), which means I was unable to kidnap her for a totally unauthorized catch-and-release of dubious legality. Most would say it isn't my business, but I don't care--I found the owner who proceeded to lie to me about having an unspayed female pumping out unwanted kittens (there is no other possible mother--I know my neighborhood and watched that cat closely all year), but I left convinced that she was embarrassed and had either found out about the kittens before I did and had the mother spayed afterward, or that she would promptly have her cat spayed upon being informed of this litter by a perfect stranger who apparently knew her cat's outdoor life better than she did. I've known people who didn't realize just how young female cats were capable of becoming pregnant, and I can understand how first-time owners might assume a cat has to be fully grown before she can become pregnant.

In any event, it's a mostly happy ending I think.
 

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 Welcome to TCS and bless you for rescuing those kittens!!! You are a real cat's hero 
 Since the hissing isn't accompanied by aggressive/defensive behavior, it is cute indeed as well as unusual! I would be interested in hearing a cat behaviorist's opinion - I sure hope that one comes along soon. and while we are waiting....Pix are always welcome here at TCS 
 

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The last feral kitten I brought into my house 5 months ago (she was about 5 months old) didn't meow except for crying a tiny bit her first two days in my house after her spay surgery. She learned to meow by imitating my other four cats, two of whom are quite vocal in the kitchen when asking for food treats. She's developed this adorable little roar which melts my heart, and I pamper and spoil her rotten lol. I'm not sure how your feral kittens will learn to meow if they don't have a domestic cat to imitate. One thing that will help domesticate them in general is to have a few interactive play sessions a day with them using a wand toy. Do they have the run of a room yet? Catnip toys are also great. The more time and space they have to play, the happier they will be and the sooner they'll become completely domesticated. I would also advise you leave out bowls of kitten chow or regular chow for them 24/7 not only because they need the nourishment, but because they need to know they no longer have to stress over food. Provide them with some canned food, too, if you can. They will very likely need a de-wormer, because almost all rescued outdoor cats get parasites. The worms rob the cats of their ability to absorb nutrition, and kittens especially can become very ill. You're going to have so much fun with these kitties and they will love you so much for rescuing them!
 

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Chester, the cat in my avatar, was 6 months old when we trapped him.  We did everything wrong.  He's now 10 years old and still hisses at us if he's caught off-guard.  It's just his go-to response.

I think your kitty is trying communicate in the only way he knows how to right now.  Feral cats do not usually meow - it is not their native language, so to speak.  Meowing is the way cats communicate with humans.

He may learn in years to come, he may not.  The only time Chester meows now is when one of the other cats tries to dominate him (he's so shy).  He'll give this tiny, little meow that actually is so cute, I have to smile.

Thank you for helping them.  And I tend to agree with you.  Anytime anyone was irresponsible enough to allow an unfixed cat to roam our neighborhood, I trapped and had them fixed, especially if they came into our yard.  I did not want more kittens to find homes for.  I was never confronted and I honestly I do not think their "owners" ever even noticed.
 
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I appreciate the welcome and kind words from everyone.

The hiss is a full-fledged hiss with no sort of vocal cord movement at all. Well, I guess a full-fledged hiss is accompanied by swept ears, arched back, and wide eyes, none of which are present, but the mouth part of it is certainly a classic hiss. I agree that it's just the only way he knows how to communicate effectively right now. He still meows a little, but his go-to way of casual communication is the hiss. His brother is as much a talker as I've ever had, and his stepsisters also talk quite a bit (though not to each other--like you said, meowing is used for communicating with people--and with dogs :p), so I think it's likely to rub off on him.

The kittens have been de-wormed, which made them a bit sick for a couple days, but all better now... They both had roundworm and tapeworms. Tested negative in the combo test, will be neutered pretty soon (at the same time so that one can't point and laugh at the other for losing his manhood), etc., so everything is kosher there. The kittens right now are free in a spare bedroom several hours a day, but love their cages as well where they spend the night, separate when eating, together in one cage when not so they can play and curl up together. By the way, two formerly starving kittens eating together in the same cage is not pretty.

They're fed at fixed intervals currently, but once they're free 24/7 in the entire house (should be in a month or so at the current rate of progress) they'll be more or less free-feeding on homemade catfood. The tame-on-arrival one with the food issues is probably more than capable of eating himself sick if given unlimited food, so I'm hoping the interim period is long enough for him to relax a little bit about food. If not, I guess he'll have to learn not to over-eat the hard way after he starts free-feeding. I just hope he learns so I don't have to manually feed four cats--when I was growing up my pets were all overfed, fat and unhealthy, and it had a major effect on their longevity, so even a remote possibility of an overweight cat scares me...

Chester looks a lot like my hisser actually... The hissing does not help with the black cat stigma. I guess Chester's hissing when caught off-guard is kind of like waking up a marine who served in Vietnam. Given their experiences, a hair trigger isn't surprising. These kittens were so young when trapped, though, that I think the one will grow up to be like any other cat, and the hisser not too far removed. He's already doing well enough that a less experienced owner could probably handle him without issue.

I'm glad to hear no one was horrified by my willingness to kidnap the mother cat (given the chance) and have her organs harvested like those of an unwitting tourist operated on in a bathtub in Kolkata. I'd like to think this case would have been morally justified. :p
 

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You were most assuredly morally justified having her fixed, although I've never heard it put that way.  


I think you are correct, too.  Sooner or later, he will adjust.  Chester does give us blinkies and will occasionally allow us to scratch his head (for about ten seconds).  I would say he's a happy cat, even though he isn't too fond of humans.
 
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Well now you'll always associate unauthorized trap and release with the illegal human organ trade. You're welcome. :)

I'm sure Chester's better off now than he was before. I think we probably both feel like we're here for cats, and not the other way around (as sappy or self-aggrandizing as that may sound), so if they're not terribly fond of us, no matter--it's like kids who you just have to be there for regardless. :p
 

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Well now you'll always associate unauthorized trap and release with the illegal human organ trade. You're welcome. :)

I'm sure Chester's better off now than he was before. I think we probably both feel like we're here for cats, and not the other way around (as sappy or self-aggrandizing as that may sound), so if they're not terribly fond of us, no matter--it's like kids who you just have to be there for regardless. :p
 

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There is another post on the feral forum that CatSnip404 wrote called "Hissing in the Circle of Certain Death" which was really interesting.  The post offered some really good observations into what their hissing/meowing during different levels of trust and interaction could actually mean. If you haven't read that post you might want to check it out because it is very insightful, and may help explain what you are experiencing.      
 
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