Dry food for my persian flat face cat- Blackwood?

Hi i need suggestion for my persian... I always feed them Royal Canin but ive read that it is not good for their health... So i plan to give a BLackwood brand instead and mix a quarter of ROyal Canin Persian/Hair&Care (correct me if the name is wrong)

Is this mixture will be okay? And we cant find lots of brand cat food here other than Royal Canin Blackwood and some cheap brand like smartheArt friskies and whiskas... Which im not gonna gve to my persian

Other than this.. I heard about boiled chicken for the persian... How can i do this? Is it simply boiled the meaty part of the chicken and serve?

And one last thing.. Which blackwood suitable for my indoor persian as there are a lot of type that i can see...

Please help me give best suggestion for my persian health inside out... I love him and want the best for him

Hi there,

My name is Tim. Nice to meet you. So Royal Canin...I would say, as I do to anyone looking at buying cat food, read the ingredients! Sometimes they seem fine, sometimes unclear or a bit of mixture and you feel like you need a deep, scientific understanding to know what the heck they're talking about. But don't worry, this is a simple process/equation which I'll go on to in a bit!

As a carnivore, a cat's main source of energy must be animal protein. Carbs, whilst they can be digested, should be limited to, ideally a maximum of 5% as cats don't contain the necessary enzymes that omnivores have to begin the digestion of them. So on cat food, ideally look for a grain free food (as grains cause all sorts of issues in many cases) and secondly, one with as fully disclosed ingredients as possible. (Here in the Uk -not sure where in the world you are ?- but labelling laws are a bit crummy-as long as the ingredients are listed in highest to lowest ranking they don't have to declare an accurate %). So ideally for wet canned food you would want 60-70% meat and by products (meat = muscle meat and by products = organs/heart). To work out the carb content, as many won't list it, do this simple equation. Start with 100. Subtract the protein, fat, ash, fibre and moisture %s - the remaining number is the carb content. Ideally, you want this below 10 but I would suggest 3-5 is a much more suitable number.

Regarding boiling the chicken...all wet canned food is cooked. Nutrients are often lost in the cooking process so nutrients and minerals are added in to compensate. If you cook the food at home, then it is kind of like giving empty calories to your cat as many essential nutrients/vitamins/minerals are lost. If you are comfortable with it, give the meat raw! Kitty will love you forever...and often with a. Predominantly raw fed diet, the litter box parcels are smaller and stink free! The best type of meat to give is dark meat - this is because they are harder working muscles than say breast meat so as a result contain more taurine/kg and taurine is essential to immunity, eye and heart health for cats. Just follow the same hygiene practices you would when handling raw meat for a meal time...or do what I do - get kitty a harness and feed him the raw stuff outside. Always have a good play time before meals as it helps to complete the natural predatory hunt, catch, kill, eat cycle for cats.

Hope this helps? Any more info you'd like, let me know and I'll help if I can! I run a feline nutrition company here in the uk but I don't think I'm allowed to tell you what it's called until I've been here a bit longer...sad face!

eviliony said:

Other than this.. I heard about boiled chicken for the persian... How can i do this? Is it simply boiled the meaty part of the chicken and serve?
 

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Boiled chicken is ok as less than 10% of the diet but not ok to give as the only source of food because it lacks essential vitamins and minerals a cat needs. A few pieces of chicken with the regular dry cat food is ok.

If you want to make the boiled chicken a larger part of the diet then you do need to supplement it. There is a separate forum here on TCS if you wan to post there for recommendations on how to supplement cooked chicken: http://www.thecatsite.com/f/65/raw-amp-home-cooked-cat-food

Thank you for the information it is very helpful but somewhat too technical for me since im a noob .. Anyway regarding blackwood do any of u guys have idea how good it is? And regarding raw chicken.. I think i can provide a few small cut raw if that is ok maybe once per day? Which part of the chicken is best for them? And lastly i live in Brunei, Asia and here choices of good foods for pets are quite limited

Hey, raw chicken...I would always say go for leg and thigh meat. This is because the dark muscle meat works harder than the light meat (breast) and therefore contains more taurine which is essential to eye, heart and immune system health. If you can, grab some chicken hearts and feed these raw and if you are going to feed liver, keep it limited as liver can lead to a runny tummy and other long term issues if fed too much. Most meats are fine...I would avoid giving anything that has already been minced (fine to mince it yourself) and never feed raw pork as cats can't seem to cope very well with the parasites from raw pork. But lamb, beef, turkey, duck, pheasant, chicken are all great and easily bought. You can go for the less popular cuts as well such as chicken necks or beef heart if you are on a budget. As a general rule cats need anything from 2-4% of their bodyweight in food weight so a 4kg cat needs anything from 80-160g day depending on their activity levels. Raw meat diets tend to be in the lower side as they can digest nearly all the food so therefore need less compared to canned/dry commercially prepared foods.

If you'd like any more support, please just ask. Tim
Here's my cat. He's a 1 year old 5th generation pedigree Russian Blue. Mr Finley's the name and cuddling is the game

For the Blackwood food, I would select one of the grain-free options. As for which flavor, that depends on your cat and which one the cat prefers.

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 Hey, raw chicken...I would always say go for leg and thigh meat. This is because the dark muscle meat works harder than the light meat (breast) and therefore contains more taurine which is essential to eye, heart and immune system health. If you can, grab some chicken hearts and feed these raw and if you are going to feed liver, keep it limited as liver can lead to a runny tummy and other long term issues if fed too much. Most meats are fine...I would avoid giving anything that has already been minced (fine to mince it yourself) and never feed raw pork as cats can't seem to cope very well with the parasites from raw pork. But lamb, beef, turkey, duck, pheasant, chicken are all great and easily bought. You can go for the less popular cuts as well such as chicken necks or beef heart if you are on a budget. As a general rule cats need anything from 2-4% of their bodyweight in food weight so a 4kg cat needs anything from 80-160g day depending on their activity levels. Raw meat diets tend to be in the lower side as they can digest nearly all the food so therefore need less compared to canned/dry commercially prepared foods.
If you'd like any more support, please just ask. Tim

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Okay i think i can grab few dark meat to feed my Furby today... i think im gonna go with drumstick as it is easier to chop into smaller pieces thank you... im still quite beginner in terms of the measurement though and wow that cat is so handsome and the fur!! love it!!

 For the Blackwood food, I would select one of the grain-free options. As for which flavor, that depends on your cat and which one the cat prefers.

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Thank you will keep this in mind!

And lastly, i have problem with my persian drinking always wet his coat.. any suggestions? i tried water bottle, although he can drink from it but i noticed that hes not drinking a lot i guess because few waters are dropping from it and he got frustrated... so then i quit giving the water bottle but waterbowl instead scared that he will dehydrate.. but yea his coat :S

Well, considering you have a Persian, which notoriously has a flat face and long hair, I think getting the fur wet is just going to happen. I've never owned one, but imagine they must practically stick their faces in the water to drink?

We do have several long-haired cats in the rescue and some of them certainly get wetter than others. I just figure it's a small price to pay for that long luxurious coat!

CatPack said:

Well, considering you have a Persian, which notoriously has a flat face and long hair, I think getting the fur wet is just going to happen. I've never owned one, but imagine they must practically stick their faces in the water to drink?

We do have several long-haired cats in the rescue and some of them certainly get wetter than others. I just figure it's a small price to pay for that long luxurious coat!

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lol yea they practically stick their faces.. its funny to look at but oh the water.. its soaking like hes just having some face wash :S ... so how do u deal with that? u just leave it? haha

anyway i have another question regarding the dryfood.. at the moment im still feeding my persian the Royal Canin ... its a combination of

1) Royal Canin Persian Adult (My Persian is still 5 months old, should i feed him the kitten version or this is still fine? he was fed to this by the previous owner) - https://www.royalcanin.com/products/royal-canin-breed-health-nutrition-persian-dry-cat-food/2552

2) Royal Canin Sensible/Special (Is this really necessary? cause it was recommended by the previous owner) - https://www.royalcanin.com/products...pecial-33-dry-cat-food/2521?bvstate=pg:2/ct:r

3) Royal Canin Hair and Skin (I think this is needed by my persian and he loves it) - https://www.royalcanin.com/products...on-hair-amp-skin-care-adult-dry-cat-food/2528

please give some comments thank you

You can certainly dry his face after he's had a drink if you're home; but, yes, I find the cats are pretty good about cleaning themselves up afterward. They basically just go ahead and wash their faces.

As for the Royal Canin...I personally don't see any need to continue to mix this once your cat is fully transitioned over to the Blackwood food. I am nearly certain that the Blackwood food is an "All Life Stages" food and this is certainly fine for a 5 month old.

I just want to add that there is often little to zero difference between the "breed specific foods" that certain companies offer.

In doing a quick glance, the biggest differences I see with the "Persian" food are:

it contains less protein (28%) than the other Royal Canin varieties.

It also contains L-Lysine (a supplement often used to less symptoms of Feline Herpes Virus)...but I have been told the the effectiveness when put in food this way is lessened. Much better to give this supplement yourself on a daily basis only if your cat has FHV.

Lastly is that is contains powdered cellulose...or wood pulp. This is a cheap filler/fiber source.

okay thank you very much for the sugestions.. im slowly transitioning the food atm... currently i slowly introduce the blackwood but from the looks of it he doesnt really like it.... there will always b leftover of blackwood :S lol hope he likes it