eye color in Shaded silver and golden persians

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I hope this is allowed - if it isn't please accept my apologies and delete it. I want to share my experience with not so great and great eye color. I started out with a copper eyed stud. While I dearly love my Spencer and other than eye color he is everything I would want  it made it difficult. If I had started out with the correct eye color in my cats, my breeding program would have progressed faster. Let me introduce the first 2 cats I bred - Savannah Rose
who has wonderful green eye color. She is a shaded golden. I bred her with a copper eyed silver, Spencer. Now copper eyes are not allowed in silvers here in the States but in some registries over seas they are called Pewter Persians. Spencer is a silver from a silver (green eyes) and cream (copper eyes)breeding.

That breeding between Savannah Rose and Spencer produced various eye colors. First a silver girl, Lottie who has washed out yellowy eye color.


Tabitha, a brown tabby with correct copper eye color.

Next is Zippy, a golden. Her eye color, while better than her sister Lotties, still isn't good.

Solidago, another golden. He had wonderful green eye color.

I bred Lottie to another boy, a golden named Boo.
From that breeding (an attempt to fix the eye color) I got these cats:

This is a silver boy that the owner named Boo-Boo. His eye color is so-so.

His sister, Mimi who has nice eye color. and lastly from that litter, Jack.

The best advice to new breeders that I can give is to learn the breed standard BEFORE you buy a cat. You can save yourself time and lots of money by getting a correct start. Spencer was bought even though I knew the breed standard and knew the chances of him having green eyes were only 50/50, but  he was just too good otherwise. So do as I say not as I do!
 
 
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They are all gorgeous! Too bad it's hit and miss with the breeding regarding the certain features that you want. Mind you, you do end up with a lot of gorgeous babies. :D
I adore the copper eyes colour and would love a cat with those eyes. I'm really surprised to learn that it isn't favoured.
 
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It isn't really hit or miss if you do your homework and study pedigrees. In the beginning ( late 1800s to sometime early in the 1900s cooper eyes were the color of choice for silvers. Then the green eyes took over as desirable.
 

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I love this thread! Thank you posiepurrs posiepurrs for writing it! I see now your earlier advice to me was based on your own first hand personal experience.
It's always enlightening & interesting to see other people's results in their breeding programs.
 

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I was lucky that it only took a short time to correct the bad eye color because I used a boy for the second breeding that has wonderful eye color, BUT I ran into another problem that I believe is goes back to the cream.  Two of the silvers from the Lottie/Boo breeding have tarnish (tipping is reddish in spots instead of black). While this isn't a DQ in the show ring, you lose points and if bad enough the judge will with hold. One girl was bad enough that I only got her championship and then kept her home as a pet. The other is just a little tarnished so I kept showing her. She got her grand championship last year. I would love to breed her to see what I would get but I don't have a boy for her and I don't want to send her off to be bred at a friends cattery - she is my baby and pillow buddy so I would miss her too much. I am going to spay her and show her in premiership instead. I am adding a photo of her so maybe you can see the tarnish. if you look at the tail just above the  copyright symbol and just a smidge to the right, you will see a hint of red in her tail, also the color around her eyes that look like staining is tarnish.
This is GC Posiepurrs Camellia (Camie), not the best photo of her, but shows what I am talking about the best. Her eye color is washed out in this photo too - it is a beautiful green.
After a closer look i can definitely see the tarnish. She's absolutely stunning regardless! How many generations back in her pedigree was the cream? I don't blame you for not wanting to take her to your friends cattery, I'd miss that beautiful, snuggly pillow ornament too ;)
 
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The cream was her great grand-sire. She is more of  pillow hog than snuggly at night! I get a tiny corner while she sprawls out, but truthfully I don't think I could sleep if I didn't have 5 or 6 cats piled up around and on me.
 

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The cream was her great grand-sire. She is more of  pillow hog than snuggly at night! I get a tiny corner while she sprawls out, but truthfully I don't think I could sleep if I didn't have 5 or 6 cats piled up around and on me.
Hahaha! I know what you mean lol. They are all so beautiful! My two newest babies have made their preferred sleeping spots right on either side of my pillow now too :)
 
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