Do not eat raw cookie dough (or cake mix or anything else like that)

Winchester · Jun 30, 2016

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-you-should-never-eat-raw-dough/

I have eaten raw cookie dough since I was a little girl. Especially chocolate chip cookie dough.

That stuff just rocks! It's so good.

Well, tonight, I put together a couple cookie doughs to (hopefully) bake tomorrow, if the oven does get fixed. Even though I was using King Arthur flour, I didn't lick the spoon or the bowl when I was finished. I didn't sneak a couple pinches of dough. I didn't let Rick have anything, much to his chagrin. I also washed my hands very thoroughly when I was done. It's sad and depressing, darn it. My cookie dough eating days are over, evidently.

raina21 · Jun 30, 2016

Hmmm. I always thought you weren't supposed to eat it due to the risk of getting salmonella from the raw eggs. So I've been eating eggless cookie dough for a while.

P.s. you can still make edible peanut butter cookie dough with only peanut butter and white sugar

denice · Jun 30, 2016

I also didn't eat it because of raw eggs. I had never thought of bacteria in the flour.

foxxycat · Jun 30, 2016

oh for PEATS sake!!! the MEDIA is soooo annoying. I have been eating raw egg dough for 41 yrs and I didnt die yet. I think take it like a grain of salt. remember when Bacon was so horrible to eat?? now they realize all the manmade fats are what is causing trouble...everything in moderation..

ok let me read this article..sounds like a bunch of huey,

ok why are they coming forward about this now? what about breads and cereals? cereals are raw isnt it? I just wonder what company pushed wtih the most money to bring this to light. the government doesnt work to be good-everything has a purpose=its usually money related.

Although its good to bring this issue up but now we need to consider how many other raw foods do we consume and not have to think about this?

This makes me want to grow my OWN food and OWN animals for slaughter. I think I understand now why so many are opting for organic or otherwise-local grown food.

my last question-where is the ingredients sourced for this flour etc? is it grown in USA or elsewhere? Things to think about...

by the way this will be the end of me buying mass produced food. I am going to stick to local grown etc. That is DISGUSTING!. WHAT person wants to eat POOP! so if there is bacteria on it-I dont even want to eat it. GOD SO GROSS!

raysmyheart · Jun 30, 2016

I remember having great stomach upset when I was about 7 after licking the batter from a cake my mother was making. I really haven't done it since because of that, but in just the last year or two, I have been sneaking the batter of cranberry-orange bread. It has such a tang to it, I can't resist!

raina21 · Jun 30, 2016

foxxycat said:
oh for PEATS sake!!! the MEDIA is soooo annoying. I have been eating raw egg dough for 41 yrs and I didnt die yet. I think take it like a grain of salt. remember when Bacon was so horrible to eat?? now they realize all the manmade fats are what is causing trouble...everything in moderation..

ok let me read this article..sounds like a bunch of huey,

ok why are they coming forward about this now? what about breads and cereals? cereals are raw isnt it? I just wonder what company pushed wtih the most money to bring this to light. the government doesnt work to be good-everything has a purpose=its usually money related.

Although its good to bring this issue up but now we need to consider how many other raw foods do we consume and not have to think about this?

This makes me want to grow my OWN food and OWN animals for slaughter. I think I understand now why so many are opting for organic or otherwise-local grown food.

my last question-where is the ingredients sourced for this flour etc? is it grown in USA or elsewhere? Things to think about...

by the way this will be the end of me buying mass produced food. I am going to stick to local grown etc. That is DISGUSTING!. WHAT person wants to eat POOP! so if there is bacteria on it-I dont even want to eat it. GOD SO GROSS!

I was also thinking like that to some extent. My family owns a restaurant (just celebrated the restaurant's 20 year anniversary!) And we understand that all the healh codes/rules MUST be followed. So no question we always prepare/handle food the right way in the restaurant.

But at the same time I feel like the likelyhood of getting E-coli from flour is slim to none (by the way E-coli is everywhere in our environment, HOWEVER there are only a few strains that can make you sick, the other types are either harmelss or beneficial).

Also any type of naturally fertilized (by animal waste) produce (some organic produce is fertilized with chicken poo) is going to have been exposed to E-coli. But as I said there are only very few strains of E-coli that can make you sick.

rickr · Jun 30, 2016

foxxycat said:
<snip> what about breads and cereals? cereals are raw isnt it? I just wonder what company pushed wtih the most money to bring this to light. the government doesnt work to be good-everything has a purpose=its usually money related. <snip>

The article concerns the risks of eating raw flour. Breads, of course, are baked. And while there may very well be some raw cereals on the market, all of the ones I am familiar with are fully cooked (e.g. corn flakes, granola, etc.) or the variety that you cook before eating (e.g. oatmeal).

foxxycat · Jun 30, 2016

I was also thinking like that to some extent. My family owns a restaurant (just celebrated the restaurant's 20 year anniversary!) And we understand that all the healh codes/rules MUST be followed. So no question we always prepare/handle food the right way in the restaurant.

But at the same time I feel like the likelyhood of getting E-coli from flour is slim to none (by the way E-coli is everywhere in our environment, HOWEVER there are only a few strains that can make you sick, the other types are either harmelss or beneficial).

Also any type of naturally fertilized (by animal waste) produce (some organic produce is fertilized with chicken poo) is going to have been exposed to E-coli. But as I said there are only very few strains of E-coli that can make you sick.

I thought E coli already lived in our guts. That was according to my vet-when pumpkin got a kidney infection. She said it already lives inside of us-

by the way I wasnt implying anyone here purposely eats something or whatever-I just wanted to say it may come out worded wrong-but either way=This seems just weird I guess. Someone must want to be reelected and decided to push this issue because of a certain person who donated x amount of dollars to said person to "fight" against said issue.

It would be nice if the media stopped using these weird headlines to scare people. it would be nice if they said why this has come up and who is pushing the issues...someone needs reelecting so they are pushing to go with people's emotions instead of FACTS.

Willowy · Jun 30, 2016

How do you think organic, local producers fertilize their crops? How will you fertilize your crops if you grow them yourself?

Poop is everywhere. Apparently when I get a good whiff of cow odor, this means there is poop in the air. . .

. Can't avoid it.

Most healthy people won't get sick if exposed to a small amount of e. coli. It's the immune-compromised people who have trouble.

blueyedgirl5946 · Jun 30, 2016

I don't like raw cookie dough. But I know a lot of people who do. :lol3:

donutte · Jun 30, 2016

I take most studies with a grain of salt, which is why I hate when people (not this case but in general) throw studies at me to prove they are right about something. What they don't seem to get is - I don't care. Studies come and studies go, and they conflict with each other and agree with each other. Par for the course. Won't change what I do as a result though. We've done a full 180 in terms of what people say we should eat from 20 years ago based on these studies. Another 20 years, we'll be back to what we were 20 years ago.

But, it is interesting that they gave us another reason not to lick the spoon. I think bacteria are our friends!

micknsnicks2mom · Jun 30, 2016

just my opinion, but it sounds just like the usual drivel about various foods going to give us cancer or such. and then several years later, they change their minds and that food is okay to eat again.

honestly, i worry more about the unknown long term effects of GMO's on people. i mean, many countries have banned GMO's. to my knowledge, only a few counties in California are the only places in the US where GMO's have been banned. and that was a very big part of why i cook from scratch, try to eat healthy and wholesome foods. however, GMO's can be in pretty much any foods we buy, without any indication that they're in them.

but back to this specific topic. i agree with @Willowy, that 'Most healthy people won't get sick if exposed to a small amount of e. coli. It's the immune-compromised people who have trouble.' and i'll take this a bit further by saying that our bodies need to have a strong immune system, which one way we build is to successfully fight off something like 'a small amount of e. coli'.

i'm not one who eats cookie dough, but i don't have any problem eating a fried egg cooked 'sunny side up' with runny yolk. this is not the 'stuff' of my worrying. just do some online research about what the FDA considers 'safe' (foreign matters, and the amounts of them, considered safe by the FDA), as far as manufactured food goes......that'll make your stomach queasy.

Winchester · Jul 1, 2016

I don't know.....normally I'd think along the same lines. But with the Gold Medal flour recall, I'm thinking that's what brought this on. The egg thing doesn't bother me; the flour thing, well, yeah, that does.

I completely agree that foods that were once considered to be the worst foods on the face of the earth are now OK. Remember the "OMG, you can't eat eggs! Don't drink coffee! Dear heavens, don't use butter! Don't wear blue jeans; blue jeans cause cancer!" And now? It's ok. In fact, not only can you now wear blue jeans, evidently, you're not even supposed to wash them!

We never stopped eating eggs. We never stopped using butter. I do have some light margarine in the fridge, but I bake only with butter. I never stopped drinking coffee....you will pry my coffee mug out of my cold, dead hands. Period. And I live in jeans.

But the flour thing? Yeah, it kinda gives me the skeevies. And this comes from somebody who has always thought that raw chocolate chip cookie dough should be considered a major food group.

Willowy · Jul 1, 2016

We do need to be cautious. Food contamination used to be a major cause of illness and death (trivia: Abe Lincoln's mother died from milk-related food poisoning). So what seems like the FDA being overly cautious is what's keeping us alive! But you can't be worrying about every little thing. Flour was almost certainly contaminated before and they just didn't test it so nobody knew.

muffy · Jul 1, 2016

raysmyheart said:
I remember having great stomach upset when I was about 7 after licking the batter from a cake my mother was making. I really haven't done it since because of that, but in just the last year or two, I have been sneaking the batter of cranberry-orange bread. It has such a tang to it, I can't resist!

I remember when I was a kid I got a horrible stomach ache after eating cake batter and I have not eaten it since. I do like cookie dough and have never had a problem with the dough.

micknsnicks2mom · Jul 1, 2016

Winchester said:
But the flour thing? Yeah, it kinda gives me the skeevies. And this comes from somebody who has always thought that raw chocolate chip cookie dough should be considered a major food group.

yes, i agree. but really, all manufactured foods give me the same skeevies. and i worry more about exactly what chemicals are used to treat the grain(s) -- ' "Flour is derived from a grain that comes directly from the field and typically is not treated to kill bacteria," Leslie Smoot, Ph.D., a senior advisor in FDA's Office of Food Safety and a specialist in the microbiological safety of processed foods, said in a statement.' my personal comfort level is no chemicals in my food, especially unknown chemicals. i do understand that there are all sorts of additives/chemicals in most of the very basic foods bought at almost all grocers though.

hbunny · Jul 1, 2016

I won't eat anything with raw flour anyway--I am skeeved out by those little worm things that get in flour, or those weevils or what my granny used to call "mealy-bugs" that get in flour.

I don't normally eat the raw dough, or anything with uncooked flour, but those little bugs just absolutely wig me out! I have thrown out two bags of flour in the past month because I would get home with it to put in my sealed container, open the bag, and EWWWWW!!! I ran straight outside to the edge of the woods and dumped it. It just gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about it. I made the big mistake of googling about those worms/bugs...and everything I found said that most all commercially processed flour has at LEAST the larva in it and that it's recommended to bring it home, freeze it for 3 days before using to kill any larva.

I can't get it out of my head. Even if I freeze it, it will still have the dead larva in it.

hbunny · Jul 1, 2016

foxxycat said:
oh for PEATS sake!!! the MEDIA is soooo annoying. I have been eating raw egg dough for 41 yrs and I didnt die yet. I think take it like a grain of salt. remember when Bacon was so horrible to eat?? now they realize all the manmade fats are what is causing trouble...everything in moderation..

ok let me read this article..sounds like a bunch of huey,

ok why are they coming forward about this now? what about breads and cereals? cereals are raw isnt it? I just wonder what company pushed wtih the most money to bring this to light. the government doesnt work to be good-everything has a purpose=its usually money related.

Although its good to bring this issue up but now we need to consider how many other raw foods do we consume and not have to think about this?

This makes me want to grow my OWN food and OWN animals for slaughter. I think I understand now why so many are opting for organic or otherwise-local grown food.

my last question-where is the ingredients sourced for this flour etc? is it grown in USA or elsewhere? Things to think about...

by the way this will be the end of me buying mass produced food. I am going to stick to local grown etc. That is DISGUSTING!. WHAT person wants to eat POOP! so if there is bacteria on it-I dont even want to eat it. GOD SO GROSS!

Cereals are cooked. Right now, here at work, I'm in a building next door to one of the largest Kellogg factories....it's all cooked. I know too many folks that work there that complain about their stringent policies (all the while I'm sitting there going YESSSS! while they are complaining)

handsome kitty · Jul 1, 2016

hbunny said:
I won't eat anything with raw flour anyway--I am skeeved out by those little worm things that get in flour, or those weevils or what my granny used to call "mealy-bugs" that get in flour.

I don't normally eat the raw dough, or anything with uncooked flour, but those little bugs just absolutely wig me out! I have thrown out two bags of flour in the past month because I would get home with it to put in my sealed container, open the bag, and EWWWWW!!! I ran straight outside to the edge of the woods and dumped it. It just gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about it. I made the big mistake of googling about those worms/bugs...and everything I found said that most all commercially processed flour has at LEAST the larva in it and that it's recommended to bring it home, freeze it for 3 days before using to kill any larva.

I can't get it out of my head. Even if I freeze it, it will still have the dead larva in it.

Just consider it extra protein.

micknsnicks2mom · Jul 1, 2016

hbunny said:
I won't eat anything with raw flour anyway--I am skeeved out by those little worm things that get in flour, or those weevils or what my granny used to call "mealy-bugs" that get in flour.

I don't normally eat the raw dough, or anything with uncooked flour, but those little bugs just absolutely wig me out! I have thrown out two bags of flour in the past month because I would get home with it to put in my sealed container, open the bag, and EWWWWW!!! I ran straight outside to the edge of the woods and dumped it. It just gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about it. I made the big mistake of googling about those worms/bugs...and everything I found said that most all commercially processed flour has at LEAST the larva in it and that it's recommended to bring it home, freeze it for 3 days before using to kill any larva.

I can't get it out of my head. Even if I freeze it, it will still have the dead larva in it.

if you store your flour in the freezer, you won't get bugs in them. yes, pretty much all commercially processed flour has larva in it. but seriously, all manufactured foods have (icky, gross, skeevie, etc) foreign matter in them. we cannot avoid it, and we must eat.

i do understand how you feel though......

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