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Several of us recommend goat's milk frequently. Call and ask your favorite health food stores if they carry fresh goat's milk.

However, my choice for kitten formula is the powdered PetAg. Royal Canin is good too.

It's up to you.
 
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Several of us recommend goat's milk frequently. Call and ask your favorite health food stores if they carry fresh goat's milk.
However, my choice for kitten formula is the powdered PetAg. Royal Canin is good too.

It's up to you.
Is it safe to switch off between the two or should I just pick one?
 
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Is it safe to switch off between the two or should I just pick one?

Several of us recommend goat's milk frequently. Call and ask your favorite health food stores if they carry fresh goat's milk.

However, my choice for kitten formula is the powdered PetAg. Royal Canin is good too.

It's up to you.

I haven't been able to get goats milk yet because I can't convince my sister it's safe. She's worried to try anything that isn't made for kittens especially since he never drank from his mother. Have you personally used goat milk?
Okay so I ordered some fresh goats milk from my local health foods store (it should be in later this week) but I was curious once I get it, how do I serve it?
 

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Okay so I ordered some fresh goats milk from my local health foods store (it should be in later this week) but I was curious once I get it, how do I serve it?
You serve it as it is.  Warm up a little, so its almost body warm, as you do with everything else for a kitten.
 

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I would pick one that your kitten has reacted well to and stick with it. Cats have very sensitive digestive systems.
 
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You serve it as it is.  Warm up a little, so its almost body warm, as you do with everything else for a kitten.
okay thanks. so you do prefer goats milk over formula?
 

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You said I can get goats milk at Walmart but do you think there is a healthier version available at a health foods store? I don't know if you have them but such as Lassens, sprouts or trader joes
Yes.  But these shops arent everywhere. Also, the raw goats milk there tends to be quite pricey.  If frozen, its not that costly.
 

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I haven't been able to get goats milk yet because I can't convince my sister it's safe. She's worried to try anything that isn't made for kittens especially since he never drank from his mother. Have you personally used goat milk?
Ridicolusly, I havent.  Goats milk is difficult to get in Sweden.  Im happy if I sometimes manage to find canned goats milk in some shop owned by immigrants from Middle East...   But we do have access to decent kmr in pet shops and veterianry shops, so its seldom a necessity.  So both PetAgs KMR and RC, and some others too.

My eyeopener was a forumit, whom was a while in ex-Jugoslavia shortly after the wars, and she did some rescuing there.  No kmr in this war haunted country, but she found goats milk worked.

So I knew - in an emergency, goats milk is OK. 

But now I had my eyes open, and I noticed some rescuers and breeders DID mentioned goats milk, and ALL were happy with it.  Again and again...

I had found two exceptions during the years.

1. In a polish forum, there was a lenghy tread by polish breeders and some rescuers, whom tried goats milk.  Some were happy with it, but some not.  After a while the smoke cleared.  It become clear the bad experience were all from one particular brand of goats milk.

Lesson?  It is possible to destroy even a so excellent product as goats milk...

2.  On this forum, here was one forumit once whose kitten got constipated with goats milk.  She was forced to dilute that milk some.  After diluting, it worked OK.   Although this is nothing particular, this is a quite common advice on most kmr brands, and thus, no real problem...

Every other whom uses goats milk and I know of, are happy,or at least, OK with goats milk...

Please, let your sister read this my post.   :)

I dont think bottled / powdered goats milk is better than a good brand of kmr.   Even if its an alternative sometimes.

But I do think, raw goats milk, containging some enzymes and antibodies destroyed in the usual processing - may sometimes be a difference with a sick cat.  When desperate you try anything, and this is one of the more sympathetic tries...
 
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Ridicolusly, I havent.  Goats milk is difficult to get in Sweden.  Im happy if I sometimes manage to find canned goats milk in some shop owned by immigrants from Middle East...   But we do have access to decent kmr in pet shops and veterianry shops, so its seldom a necessity.  So both PetAgs KMR and RC, and some others too.

My eyeopener was a forumit, whom was a while in ex-Jugoslavia shortly after the wars, and she did some rescuing there.  No kmr in this war haunted country, but she found goats milk worked.
So I knew - in an emergency, goats milk is OK. 
But now I had my eyes open, and I noticed some rescuers and breeders DID mentioned goats milk, and ALL were happy with it.  Again and again...

I had found two exceptions during the years.
1. In a polish forum, there was a lenghy tread by polish breeders and some rescuers, whom tried goats milk.  Some were happy with it, but some not.  After a while the smoke cleared.  It become clear the bad experience were all from one particular brand of goats milk.
Lesson?  It is possible to destroy even a so excellent product as goats milk...

2.  On this forum, here was one forumit once whose kitten got constipated with goats milk.  She was forced to dilute that milk some.  After diluting, it worked OK.   Although this is nothing particular, this is a quite common advice on most kmr brands, and thus, no real problem...

Every other whom uses goats milk and I know of, are happy,or at least, OK with goats milk...


Please, let your sister read this my post.   :)




I dont think bottled / powdered goats milk is better than a good brand of kmr.   Even if its an alternative sometimes.

But I do think, raw goats milk, containging some enzymes and antibodies destroyed in the usual processing - may sometimes be a difference with a sick cat.  When desperate you try anything, and this is one of the more sympathetic tries...
okay thank you. I will go and get some petAg formula today and am getting some goats milk later this week. I can always do like 1 bottle of goats milk a day or something like that
 
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Ridicolusly, I havent.  Goats milk is difficult to get in Sweden.  Im happy if I sometimes manage to find canned goats milk in some shop owned by immigrants from Middle East...   But we do have access to decent kmr in pet shops and veterianry shops, so its seldom a necessity.  So both PetAgs KMR and RC, and some others too.

My eyeopener was a forumit, whom was a while in ex-Jugoslavia shortly after the wars, and she did some rescuing there.  No kmr in this war haunted country, but she found goats milk worked.
So I knew - in an emergency, goats milk is OK. 
But now I had my eyes open, and I noticed some rescuers and breeders DID mentioned goats milk, and ALL were happy with it.  Again and again...

I had found two exceptions during the years.
1. In a polish forum, there was a lenghy tread by polish breeders and some rescuers, whom tried goats milk.  Some were happy with it, but some not.  After a while the smoke cleared.  It become clear the bad experience were all from one particular brand of goats milk.
Lesson?  It is possible to destroy even a so excellent product as goats milk...

2.  On this forum, here was one forumit once whose kitten got constipated with goats milk.  She was forced to dilute that milk some.  After diluting, it worked OK.   Although this is nothing particular, this is a quite common advice on most kmr brands, and thus, no real problem...

Every other whom uses goats milk and I know of, are happy,or at least, OK with goats milk...


Please, let your sister read this my post.   :)




I dont think bottled / powdered goats milk is better than a good brand of kmr.   Even if its an alternative sometimes.

But I do think, raw goats milk, containging some enzymes and antibodies destroyed in the usual processing - may sometimes be a difference with a sick cat.  When desperate you try anything, and this is one of the more sympathetic tries...
I haven't figured out how much or how I am going to give it to him but I am going to use it since studies prove that it helps improve their immune system and that is very important since he wasn't able to drink from his mother for at least two days
 
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okay thank you. I will go and get some petAg formula today and am getting some goats milk later this week. I can always do like 1 bottle of goats milk a day or something like that
now he has diarrhea so should I stop the oil or just start using powder with oil until I get the goats milk
 

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now he has diarrhea so should I stop the oil or just start using powder with oil until I get the goats milk
Ok, begin with stopping the oil, or just a tiny droplet - how much did you gave?

If its much diarrhea, use pedialyte, to recompensate for loss of salts and electrolytes.  Say, diluting the powder or what you use, half water, half pedialyte.

If you use a liquid formula - he needs extra fluids anyways, having diarehea.  So either give some extra water, or dilute the fluid some.

Im giving a longer essey on pedialyte. You use some reasonable receipt which is comfortable for you.

Pedialyte:

Re homemade pedialyte, Im reusing a couple of my older posts.  If it seems lenghy, the most important recipe is at the end.

Pedialyte:

Now, as the sugar source, I use always glucose sugar (dextrose  / dextropur ) Its easy to get in Sweden, most well equipped food shops do carry the powder.    There are also flavored sweeties, heavily used by students and  wanna be sportsmen,  made of glucose sugar.   

So for me its no big deal to use the proper ingredient, instead of using emergency replacements.

For american forumites whom have difficulties to find glucose sugar proper, there is always white caro syrup, or even honey - honey does contain some glucose, and white caro syrup contains much glucose sugar.  In some brands its perhaps even essentially liquid glucose sugar.

Common sugar works too, but much slower, as it must be digested..  While glucose doesnt need to be digested, it goes into blood directly from the stomach, yes, even from the lips and mouth.

These whom tried both, are astonished how quickly glucose works, practically instantly.

As salt source, I use  minerale salt.  Also common in shops here in Sweden.  This salt contains  several different minerales, not just the NaCl in the usual kitchen salt. Including this potassium K salt.

A nice base for salt sources is simple a bottle of good minerale water.   These do typically contain a lotsa of different salts, in suitable concentration. Look at the label!

Let the gas out, add the glucose sugar source, and voilá!  you got a terrific home made pedialyte...

Common kitchen salt is OK if you dont have anything else, but its too "poverty"  if you use the pedialyte more than occasionally.

A third recipe is,  you use water from well cooked rice.   In practice its heavily over cooked.

And add  salt to it, preferably  such a minerale salt mentioned above...

This rice water contains lotsa of glucose sugar.   This variation of  pedialyte probably extra useful in some types of diarrhea, as water from overcooked rice is in itself  one of the remedies against diarrhea.  At least, the emergency doc gave us the recipe when I was a child and sick in diarrhea...   :)

A nice combination should be,  a  homemade pedialyte on such an overboilded rice, in water of mineral water.

Here we get both natural glucose sugar, lotsa of good mineral salts, and the rests from rice whom are good when having a diarrhea.  After all, such rice water is a classical home remedy for humans with diarrhea...

There is of course bought pedialyte, which can be used too.  Some of the brands have too much funny ingredients, though.  But if desperate, can be used.

My recommendation for bough pedialyte is, flavorless pedialyte for babies.   This is OK for cats.
 

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As I warned you, the diarrhea has now hit. Stop the oil for now and get the powdered PetAg going.
 
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As I warned you, the diarrhea has now hit. Stop the oil for now and get the powdered PetAg going.
okay so I have the petAg formula and I have used it the last two feedings. do you think it will start to harden by morning
 

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It takes about 24 hours to see the results from switching foods. Please stay with the PetAg for now. His stool will firm up.
 
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It takes about 24 hours to see the results from switching foods. Please stay with the PetAg for now. His stool will firm up.
okay that's what I am using right now.
 

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PetAg in powder is good.  Goats milk would be given alternative if you didnt had it, and had to return to the 21Century.  But PetAg is reliable,  and NOW you do have it, so.  :)
 
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PetAg in powder is good.  Goats milk would be given alternative if you didnt had it, and had to return to the 21Century.  But PetAg is reliable,  and NOW you do have it, so.  :)
 
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I am just worried he will get constipated again because I cut him off of the premade stuff and oil all at once. last night he still had some diarrhea and this morning he didn't really poop maybe I should just wait and see. it's still early it is only 7:05 AM
 
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