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post #31 of 53
Thread Starter 
Let's be real here, this guy is way past tattoos and piercings. It's not even in the same league. I appreciate how Ziggy is being compassionate towards this guy's situation, but we all stereotype. We all go "hmmmmm" when we see him.

Is it wrong to judge him? Yes, do we all have preconceived notions about him whether we like to or not? unfortunately yes. That's how we stay alive, it's called 'instinct'. We avoid what we think is trouble or unknown.

In this case, this guy is just in a dimension of his own, and that is bizarre to us, we don't understand it, so the definition of FREAK means "A Thing or Occurance Marked Irregular". Are you telling ME this guy is regular? We are not saying he is a rapist, or a kitten killer. We are saying he is WEIRD, and a FREAK, which even he would probably admit.

So as critical as YOU are of us juding him, don't place the same judgement on us. I personally am just curious about this guy, I never thought he was a bad person, or gave a crap about how he spent his money.

And to conclude, Ziggy you are really cool, I am not directing this towards you in backlash or hate. I am just expressing my opinion And it is the internet.
post #32 of 53
I have never personally met the tiger man, but have seen several interviews with him. Listening to him speak, he seems seriously disturbed. He may be good at what he does, and even a nice person, but he presents himself in a way so as to seem as strange as he looks to most people. No matter what question the interviewer asked, about the weather, whatever, he answered with something concerning his obsession with himself becoming a tiger. I would also think that someone that loves tigers so much would be abhorred at owning pelts of dead ones. He promotes himself, not his love for tigers. If he wanted to, he might even be able to do some good at educating the public on the plight of tigers in the wild, and those being kept as pets, but he does not do that. he blathers on about how much he wants to be one. He seeks out attention, and has asked to be interviewed for magazines at several tattoo conventions, at least some of which have been declined. My former boss, a colorful character, and a tattoo artist for many years, has met him, and says he is too weird, even for him.
I would generally agree that he should'nt be judged as a freak or weirdo, but that is how he presents himself.
Ziggy, you sound like you have a great heart and a lot of sense. Too bad a lot of people don't look for it under the hair, tattoos and piercings.
post #33 of 53
Do any of you remember the cat woman? She was a pretty woman with a rich husband and spend tons of money on plastic surgery to get her face to look like a cat's.

http://home.insightbb.com/~dishhead/cat.html
post #34 of 53
Ew, hes taken it much too far. I absolutely love tigers, and the only thing Id do is have "Tiger" tattooed on my shoulder in Chinese. Anything beyond that is just creepy if you ask me.
Yeah Im one of those people on the street who will make an offensive comment at people like the above mentioned, and I am by no means an "Ignorant moron" Your being a little judgemental yourself Ziggy.
Im stopping my bad teenage habits, but what are people like that trying to get across? I don't belive "its just me" and all that, there has to be something else behind it.

-Brandon
post #35 of 53
No one is judging you here Ziggy, are they?

But IMO seriousely he has taken it to far with skin grafts!

This thread gives me the heebie jeebies!
post #36 of 53
I thought that woman was plastic surgery gone horribly wrong! You mean she is supposed to look like that?! I don't think she looks much like a cat at all.
post #37 of 53
QUOTE]Originally posted by Cougar
Im one of those people on the street who will make an offensive comment at people like the above mentioned, and I am by no means an "Ignorant moron"
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Im sorry but I don't understand this. You've just said two things in one sentance which completely contradict: 'I make abusive comments towards people just because they're different' and then 'Im not ignorant'.
I have NO problem with people looking at me in the street, after all, you have to expect it if you go out looking like I do, Im not so stupid that I expect people not to be people. After all, I look when I see someone out of the ordinary walking along. We all do.

BUT

There is a HUGE difference between LOOKING at someone who is a little odd and actually SAYING something offensive. You have just admitted that you make offensive comments. If you know they're offensive, why make them? What are you getting out of it? Why can't you let people do what they want and dress as they want? You honeslty think the people you abuse are going to say 'wait a sec! You're right! I better go home and dress more like you because you're who we should all strive to be!' No. The people who dress this way are probably doing so to be as UNLIKE you as possible because you're the sort of person who's probably bullied them their entire life!
As long as they're not harming you then whats the problem? I feel it's insecurity on your part. Theres a lot of people I see in the street who are wearing things that I think look dumb or I don't like, but I would NEVER in a million years dream of calling them a name or being offensive because there is no point, Im happy with who I am so I have no problem with them being who they are too. It's when you don't feel happy with yourself, when you don't have the balls to be who you really want to be, THATS when those who do will bother you. Dare I say jealousy?. I have found that the 'freaky' people usually don't give a damn about how other people dress, they go about their life quite happily. It's the so called 'normal' people who seem to spout the abuse.
Really, please tell me why you feel compelled to pick on someone else just because of what they're wearing? If you don't mind me saying, it's rather animalistic. Monkeys will abuse and drive out that which is odd because they don't understand it and they fear it. I like to think we have evolved past that stage.
Maybe some of us haven't.

As for there being some other reason people do it: no.
Let me explain. If you went shopping and saw a pair of red trousers and a pair of blue ones and you chose the blue ones, why did you do that? Simple. You preferred the look of the blue ones. No alterior motive, no hidden agenda, you just LIKED THEM. It's the same with these 'freaky' people. They just LIKE the way they look. They find piercings/tattoos/spikes/ attractive in the same way you may find the things you find attractive. There is NO other motive.

I agree that SOME of the freaky people DO dress that way purely to get a reaction and you'll find these people tend to grow out of it after a while. But Im 22 now. I've been dressing this way since I was 11. I don't think Im likely to change anytime soon. I know I don't do it for attention, infact, I'd rather people left me alone!
On the other side of the coin, I have noticed that a lot of people who dress alternatively have had some sort of issues in their life which has made them that way. I for example was bullied constantly from the age of 6 for being the fat kid. It never ceased and I got very very depressed at the tender age of 10! For me, I realised that people in this world weren't prepared to accept me or try and relate to me so I became something that they in turn couldn't relate to. I didn't want to be like them. Not to mention that black clothes hid the fat better and the habit stuck!

Im also in a band so, like it or not, image is an issue.

If you can tell me exactly WHY you think it's ok to yell abusive comments at someone in the street who aren't even affecting you, I'd like to hear it. Untill that point, I will maintain that the folk who do this are ignorant for sure, and likely morons too.
post #38 of 53
Well put, Ziggy! That was one of the best replies I have heard to such a comment. I don't see why people have to stick their nose in other people's business when it does not affect them at all, especially if it someone they do not even know. Who cares if some stranger walking down the street does not look or dress dress to their taste? I think people that wear their baseball caps with the bill to the side and their pants hanging to their butt with their drawers hanging out look like ignorant fools, but I keep my mouth shut about it.
post #39 of 53
I was a jerk throughout school, and I did make fun of people all the time. Im not proud of it, its just a fact. My offensive comments are a teenage habit, and I said Im stopping them. Call it a reaction, I do it without even knowing it. Ive read through it again, and it seems like I might have worded it a bit wrong.
Animalistic? Mabye, I don't really care. Making personal jabs like that is very mature.
I may not be exactly what I would like, but " have the balls to be who you really want to be"? Thats rather crude, and untrue. Theres more to being who you want to be then just having the balls.
Oh and I don't believe people that dress like that do it ONLY because they like it. I think the majority does have something else they are trying to portray. I also don't think the only reason a person would choose the blue pants is because of like for them. They may be considering social acceptability, and to not draw attention to themselves. Not only like.
Its this that makes me feel that people like you (not specifically you, but people who dress similar) have other motives to. Mabye the opposite: they want to be non-conformist, and they want attention.



Peace,
Brandon


Quote:
Originally posted by Ziggy
QUOTE]Originally posted by Cougar
Im one of those people on the street who will make an offensive comment at people like the above mentioned, and I am by no means an "Ignorant moron"


Im sorry but I don't understand this. You've just said two things in one sentance which completely contradict: 'I make abusive comments towards people just because they're different' and then 'Im not ignorant'.
I have NO problem with people looking at me in the street, after all, you have to expect it if you go out looking like I do, Im not so stupid that I expect people not to be people. After all, I look when I see someone out of the ordinary walking along. We all do.

BUT

There is a HUGE difference between LOOKING at someone who is a little odd and actually SAYING something offensive. You have just admitted that you make offensive comments. If you know they're offensive, why make them? What are you getting out of it? Why can't you let people do what they want and dress as they want? You honeslty think the people you abuse are going to say 'wait a sec! You're right! I better go home and dress more like you because you're who we should all strive to be!' No. The people who dress this way are probably doing so to be as UNLIKE you as possible because you're the sort of person who's probably bullied them their entire life!
As long as they're not harming you then whats the problem? I feel it's insecurity on your part. Theres a lot of people I see in the street who are wearing things that I think look dumb or I don't like, but I would NEVER in a million years dream of calling them a name or being offensive because there is no point, Im happy with who I am so I have no problem with them being who they are too. It's when you don't feel happy with yourself, when you don't have the balls to be who you really want to be, THATS when those who do will bother you. Dare I say jealousy?. I have found that the 'freaky' people usually don't give a damn about how other people dress, they go about their life quite happily. It's the so called 'normal' people who seem to spout the abuse.
Really, please tell me why you feel compelled to pick on someone else just because of what they're wearing? If you don't mind me saying, it's rather animalistic. Monkeys will abuse and drive out that which is odd because they don't understand it and they fear it. I like to think we have evolved past that stage.
Maybe some of us haven't.

As for there being some other reason people do it: no.
Let me explain. If you went shopping and saw a pair of red trousers and a pair of blue ones and you chose the blue ones, why did you do that? Simple. You preferred the look of the blue ones. No alterior motive, no hidden agenda, you just LIKED THEM. It's the same with these 'freaky' people. They just LIKE the way they look. They find piercings/tattoos/spikes/ attractive in the same way you may find the things you find attractive. There is NO other motive.

I agree that SOME of the freaky people DO dress that way purely to get a reaction and you'll find these people tend to grow out of it after a while. But Im 22 now. I've been dressing this way since I was 11. I don't think Im likely to change anytime soon. I know I don't do it for attention, infact, I'd rather people left me alone!
On the other side of the coin, I have noticed that a lot of people who dress alternatively have had some sort of issues in their life which has made them that way. I for example was bullied constantly from the age of 6 for being the fat kid. It never ceased and I got very very depressed at the tender age of 10! For me, I realised that people in this world weren't prepared to accept me or try and relate to me so I became something that they in turn couldn't relate to. I didn't want to be like them. Not to mention that black clothes hid the fat better and the habit stuck!

Im also in a band so, like it or not, image is an issue.

If you can tell me exactly WHY you think it's ok to yell abusive comments at someone in the street who aren't even affecting you, I'd like to hear it. Untill that point, I will maintain that the folk who do this are ignorant for sure, and likely morons too.
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post #40 of 53
Quote:
Originally posted by Cougar

Its this that makes me feel that people like you (not specifically you, but people who dress similar) have other motives to. Mabye the opposite: they want to be non-conformist, and they want attention.

As I said, SOME people do. But take it from someone who DOES dress that way and moves in circles with other people who dress that way: most of us want to be left alone and dress this way just because we like the look, in the same way you like your look, and you don't see me saying that you must be doing it for attention do you?. Look at me for example, Im 6ft tall and in school was always head and shoulders above the other kids. That made me VERY conscious of people noticing me and looking at me, so I've grown up actually preferring to be left alone. I just want to be able to dress how I wish and not be abused for it. I don't think it's too much to ask.
On the other hand, even is someone IS doing it for attention, and once again most people AREN'T, then does that mean they deserve abuse? Do you deserve abuse for the way you look? No. Neither does anyone else. Do you say comments to fat people in the street too?

But you've said you're trying to stop, which is good I suppose but it's the whole mindset of 'you're different, I am allowed to ridicule you' that bothers me. This is the year 2004.
post #41 of 53
I've also seen interviews with this guy. Sure, live and let live, but honestly, I am a subscriber of the belief that anything done to excess is no good. It's pretty plain that this guy has suffered some type of trauma in his life, and his personal coping mechanism is to turn the tables and elicit the shock effect. Sorry, but I have a hard time swallowing that this guy is just exercising personal taste. He has devoted his life to seeking attention. Underneath it all, I suspect him to be very unhappy, and that's just plain sad.
post #42 of 53
Ok well thanks for the information.

Peace,
Brandon
Quote:
Originally posted by Ziggy
As I said, SOME people do. But take it from someone who DOES dress that way and moves in circles with other people who dress that way: most of us want to be left alone and dress this way just because we like the look, in the same way you like your look, and you don't see me saying that you must be doing it for attention do you?. Look at me for example, Im 6ft tall and in school was always head and shoulders above the other kids. That made me VERY conscious of people noticing me and looking at me, so I've grown up actually preferring to be left alone. I just want to be able to dress how I wish and not be abused for it. I don't think it's too much to ask.
On the other hand, even is someone IS doing it for attention, and once again most people AREN'T, then does that mean they deserve abuse? Do you deserve abuse for the way you look? No. Neither does anyone else. Do you say comments to fat people in the street too?

But you've said you're trying to stop, which is good I suppose but it's the whole mindset of 'you're different, I am allowed to ridicule you' that bothers me. This is the year 2004.
post #43 of 53
He mentioned cross-dressers...Please. Cross dressers and female impersonators do become themselves when they're done being their alternate persona. This guy is just plain wierd. (This coming from a drag queen.)

My brother is in San Diego...I wonder if he's ever come across this guy. I certainly hope not.

Take care, all.
Jim
post #44 of 53
You know growing up being called names such as geek, fatty, nerd, wannabe, and other such names. Which I am sure most of us were teased and called names as children. Most people call people names because they look differently, or act differently, say it's because it's not normal. But like I am sure most of us have heard a million times. WHAT EXACTLY is normal?? The people who go around wearing ambercrombie and fitch? the people who die their hair all different colors of the rainbow? all the people who drive and SUV because they just think it looks cool??? How do we know that these so called "weirdos" aren't the normal ones? I have a tattoo and my tongue pirced does that mean that I am a weirdo/freak? Because I choose to do something different then what people deem "normal" no that just means that it's my body I do as I please and if you don't care for it then don't do it to your self. and EXCEPT the fact that is was something that I enjoyed doing otherwise I wouldn't have done it. you all realize that back in the 20's , 30's and what not would have considered us girls wearing PANTS freaks!!!!!!! I don't know if many of you have more then one Peircing in your ears but I myself have 3 in one ear and 2 in another. This also would have gotten me considered a "freak". Socioty changes and people grow to accept those changes. AS for the Guy in the band the Valanhb with the tattoo covering his head. It's becoming more common then uncommon for people to have Tattoo's Hidden or not. I know of a Decent hard working WHITE collar buisness man who has a tattoo on his neck. Very easily seen. He got his job despite his tattoo.


I wonder if this world will ever get passed the way people look and deal with what's in their hearts, minds, and souls. I know for one thing that one of the greast men I have ever met was covered head to toe with tattoo's had peircings on his face and other unmentionable parts of his body. But yet you cold never meet a man more willing to bend over backwards to make you happy. He was always being stared at for his looks, he was always being called weird and strange. It's wrong. let people look how they want, and don't jugde them that's the LORD's job not ours.
post #45 of 53
HOLY MOLY! That is one freaky man. I just wonder why people would want to do that to themselves anyways. Maybe they want attention or something like that because WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!
post #46 of 53
Quote:
Originally posted by DuncansDaddy
He mentioned cross-dressers...Please. Cross dressers and female impersonators do become themselves when they're done being their alternate persona. This guy is just plain wierd. (This coming from a drag queen.)

My brother is in San Diego...I wonder if he's ever come across this guy. I certainly hope not.

Take care, all.
Jim
uhhhhh ???? your a drag queen?
post #47 of 53
Quote:
Originally posted by Cougar
uhhhhh ???? your a drag queen?
Do you have a problem with that?

My uncle is a cross dresser and my family is all okay with it. He feels more comfortable wearing womens clothes even though he is married.

I love being around drag queens, they are just awesome to watch, they look so good and look better than a lot of women do. And their sense of makeup is fabulous.

Do you have any pics of you in your attire Duncan's Daddy? I would love to see some pics!!!!! hint hint
post #48 of 53
Nevermind


Later,
Brandon
post #49 of 53
Thread Starter 
gosh, i didn't expect this thread to get so touchy.

This debate is like abortion, it'll never end. It's just a big ol' gray area. Let's just let it be, if you think he's a weirdo, good, if you don't great!
post #50 of 53
Agreed.

Later,
Brandon
post #51 of 53
hes done pretty good to mess up his life, but he can do whatever he wants to his body
post #52 of 53
I must admit this made me raise an eyebrow, but after reading the article (several times) I am a bit curious about what he will be doing for a tail..Also, will he be dressing in clothing and I have to wonder if he will continue to walk on two feet or will he resort to four? I dont think he is disturbed or freakish, rather an interesting sort really.
post #53 of 53
They had Humanimals (?) that I missed last night on Discovery. I caught a few parts of the show ... the cat man, was that him on the show, the guy with the long hair? I saw another glimpse of the showe with the guy who took a drill gun to his nose, and then attached things to his ears.
To me, it's bizarre in a way, but if someone wants to go and tatoo and have implants to looks like an amimal, that is their choice... it's their body, and I wont say mean things to them. Hey, for all we know, they could be the most nicest people someone could ever meet. I just cant imagine the pain they went thru
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