Fighting Cats - Exasperated HELP!!!

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Hello,

this is going to be a  long post, so bare with me (i like to apologise for any grammar mistake, english isn't my first language).

I have 3 cats (all neutered), 1 big orange male (Simao) 8ys old, and 2 females (a black cute one (Mia) 6yrs old, and one sassy calico (Buffy), 7yrs old). One of the females (the calico of course) was always the alpha, and the male as always the shy one. The calico, Buffy, and the male, Simao, never were the best of friends, but they got along, and in the cold days their were often spotted sleeping together, and the black, Mia, one always got along with the other two, but especially with the calico.

Since December we decided to stop having food available all the time, to giving them 3 meals along the day, cause the black cat and the male were getting fat so they needed to loose weight and only controlling the food we could do it.

This changing was along with the changing of the type of food their were getting, higher in animal protein (=more active).

And was along with this last changing Mia started to get sick (colitis, still trying to resolve, with other food too, next friday are going to do one new exam to see we can resolve the problem).

Well in the end of March one night while all sleeping with us, they all starting to have the fight of their lives (they never fought like that before). We immediately separated them, and on the next morning they were great, after one week at the end of their 2nd meal of the day, the Buffy started fighting with Simao (male), and Mia got involved and started fighting with the Buffy. We again separated them, but after that the calico, couldn't see the male she started hissing and growling to him.

Every time Buffy tried to fight the male he alway hided really scare, but the black female, Mia, always got in the middle of the fight, and always ending with both girls fighting, but with a little time off both of the girls always got along even if they got involved in the fight with each other, always best friends, sleeping together, etc...

With a little of patience (and with some fights in the mix, a lot of play time and Bach flowers for help) we managed to Simao and Buffy to stay in the same room, and even be calm, and a brief moments of sleeping in the same sofa. But always distrusting each other, and with a moments of lower ears, but we would call one and they would calm, and Buffy always chasing Simao. But always with some begging of fights from time to time, but nothing major.

But we started to notice that the moments of tension between Buffy and Simao were always started by Mia, and not by Buffy. But Buffy always got a really maternal instinct to Mia, so she always got between Simao and Mia, to defend her, and so always were more "violent".

Simao since the first fight was always (when we weren't around) separated from Buffy, and Mia sometimes were with one and other time with the other, and always getting along .

1month ago we had almost 15days with calm, until one night when she was sleeping with Simao and started to growling to him really loud, and we quickly separated them. Next day she seemed calmed and we like was normal, when we were at house, and in a more calmer moments we got the 3 together, but Mia started a big fight ending with Mia and Buffy fighting really bad.

Since then she is REALLY strange, she can be really nice, no signs of mistrust and calm. She plays next to any of them, or eats, or sleeps, but suddenly she starts to hissing.

For example:

The first night we notice this, she was the entire night with Simao (without Buffy) and when we got to sleep they both went to bed, she was ok, but he went out of bed to drink water, and when he got back to bed she suddenly growl to him...

Next day she was calmer, we tried to join Mia and Buffy together, they were ok, smelling each other, no big deal, when she went to the sofa, and Buffy tried to get to sleep next to her she did the same as before, growl to her...

Today we tried to give them food together (Mia and Buffy) and Mia was ok, they got across each other path with no problem, but again Buffy got close together (nothing strange cause they already were really close) she growl again...

Now when we are at home can have in the same room Buffy and Simao (both a little uncomfortable with each other, but no aggressive looks to each other, and Simao relaxed (his the shy one), without no fear of Buffy.

But Mia that was always the little sister of Buffy, and now she don't want to be with her.

and now we have to put the three apart (1bed apartment), and my heart always gets broken, cause Simao don't want to sleep alone, nor Mia or Buffy. They take turns of sleeping with us. But i notice they get sad when they are left alone.

The problem with Buffy and Simao i was starting to resolve little by little, but with Mia I don't know what to do, cause i have NO IDEA whats its triggering her.

His because she's sick (colitis)? Or she's stress out with all this?? Or she's just redirected her aggression to them because of all the fights?

What do you suggest that i do with Mia? Should i try to get them together, or just get her away from the other 2 for a while and try to reintroduce them again? 

And Buffy and Simao? Should i keep doing what i am doing, getting them together with supervision (i play with them, give treats, etc) even though they not 100% ok with each other??

Should i stop the diet, get all the food they want available (even though they need to loose weight?) 

I just both feliway Multi-cat, should arrive in the end of the week, in my country doesn't sell.

I getting really sad with all this, and felling really helpless 
.... Please help me!!!

Sorry again for any english mistake. if there was something needed more explaining do ask.

thank you,

Vanessa
 

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Hi @NessieG and welcome to TCS!


My first thought was to return to the old diet and see if things return to normal.  It doesn't address the weight issue, but it would let you know the cause if they do settle down.

You talked about redirected aggression.. is there anything that may be outside that is disturbing them?  Other cats etc?

There is always the possibility of illness and that can ripple out to the other cats.  The one most likely to have something physically wrong is Mia, I'm thinking.  Maybe a visit to the vet for a check-over?

The feliway may settle them.. it will be interesting to see.
 
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Hi @mani Mia is getting vet attention since the problem started, next Friday she is going to do an endoscopy to see if we can find out what's wrong with her!

No, we live in the 11th floor and the only thing they see outside is a view of the city, and tiny people and cars in the street...
I talk about redirect aggression just because of all the sudden fights...

But in the case of Mia it's weird, because she can be really well, and suddenly flips... I just don't understand... :(
 
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About the diet, well they were from December to the end of March with meal times without any problem....
but I'm thinking of returning the always available food... Even though they really need to loose weight, the male as at this momento 8.6kgs (18,9 pounds), he REALLY needs to loose weight, and I can only resolve this problem this way... So it's complicated...
But maybe for a while have to return the "old ways"
 

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There are some members very informed about cat foods that can suggest recommendations

to help you balance their diets. 
 
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Hi Seventhheaven,

that would be great.

But at this moment do you think i should stop having meal times, and having food always available?

At this moment i dont think is that that is disturbing Mia... isnt at the meal time she's nervous...

Buffy and Simao at this point are "OK" with each other, without Mia, still not confident, but Simao isnt so afraid of Buffy, was that triggered the fights between them (unless if was Mia starting something). His calmer near her, and she takes less attention towards he...

They are still appart when we are not at home, but when we are, their are together. From time to time we have to call one when their staring at each other.

Dont know if we should be continuing doing this.

In the case of Mia, she's totally appart of them, because i really can't understand what its triggering her, and any moment she "snaps"... I really believe its stress/being sick, but not sure...

And im afraid of joining her with the other two, and getting things worst :(.

My really hope is that Feliway MultiCat (Feliway Friends in Europe) resolves the issue :(.
 
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Today Mia was more aggressive then before!!

She escaped from the bedroom were she was and started running already hissing and growling to all of them. Wasnt out of the blue, like before.

Is she getting more stressed from being alone?? Today she sleeped with out alone. And i try to be with her and play with her every chance i get...

Im really sad today :(

Can you give me any help on what to do?
 

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Not an expert but some cats eat more food than others to dominate...with good

quality food you feed less they require less.  Free feeding right now may

bring things back to the norm again, as mentioned go backwards then start to slowly

figure out whats going on with foods narrowing down to whats causing the issue. 

Holistic foods are good. Changing cat foods can change how they behave to a degree,

lots of moist food? Illness or stress? From reading you aren't positive about Mia yet...

You could try trick training/clicker  you're bonding plus it helps build

up their confidence keeps you in the drivers seat, less boredom.

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/is-your-cat-stressed-out
 
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Thank you for your reply @Seventhheaven,

I switch from Hill's to Orijen, wich is considered a really quality food. But for now Mia is having Royal Canin Gastrointestinal because of the colitis (wich didnt made any difference at all).

The cat that always eated more was Simao, the more shy of the group, the alpha one never eaten much, she's the skinny one of the bunch.

And thanks for the suggestion of clicker training, i always thought of it cause i already taught her some tricks, the last one was to ask for petting with her paw (really cute). Maybe it will help with her.

I'm trying to play alone with her as much i can, normally 10min (more or less of caurse) in the morning before i leave, and other 10 when i arrive home and other 10 before i go to bed...

So im trying to stay positive and think that her problem is because of the colitis (and hoping with the endoscopy we find out what is the origin of the colitis).

or she's just stressed because of the fights/tension that existed between Simao and Buffy...

Also just receive the feliway multicat i will pluged in after her vet visit. Any results i will tell.
 
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Mia just made the endoscopy and was found a wound... Already being treated for it.

Now she's really on a really BAD mood.

But Buffy is worst then ever, always hiding on her safe place. Mistrusting even more Simao, normally she's ok with him, but always looking at him on the top of her hiding place, and when she's on the floor, sometimes if he goes near her, she lower her hears, and run away from him (she's never was the scared one), but most of the times she's ok with him.

But Mia now with her mad mood can't stand non of the others ( i tried today to get her a eat near them, she eats well near Simao, but if he gets near her, she hisses, but with Buffy its more difficult because Buffy always hisses to Mia now).

:(

what to do with Simao and Buffy, still let them be together in the same room (when we are home)?

what to do to make Buffy trust Simao?

And now that started hissing to Mia.... :(

Mia for now will let her get better, or at least let her be in a better mood.
 
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