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post #1 of 30
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When asked whether he was concerned about Kerry getting so much support, Bush responded that the voters will decide who to elect based on who they think can best use America's power to keep the world safe.


I don't know about you guys, but THAT is NOT what I want my president to do. I want my president to run the USA effeciently and humanely. The last thing I want is for the president's main concern to be how to use our power to influence the rest of the world.

Also, this statement goes so strongly against what Bush professed when running for president. He wanted us out of other countries and he spoke strongly against nation-building.

I say let's use our power to make the USA economically sound and a good place to live and go back to being a MEMBER of the world instead of a self-professed ruler of the world! sheesh!
post #2 of 30
Here are three (almost four) Texans on your team!

Jim, Ann, Miss Kitty and, almost, Samwise, on a Texas beach
post #3 of 30
There's are four Puerto Ricans on your team!

Me, my mother, my father, and my girlfriend.
post #4 of 30
I see your point Renae, but on the other hand - do you want a president whose campaign has basically been not much more than saying how horrible the current administration is? Granted, I'm not watching all of the debates, but so far that's Kerry's position...Bush sucks, vote for me!
post #5 of 30
Ill stay with Bush thank you Kerry does have some good poits in his campaign, but I just don't see him being fit to be president.
Doesn't really matter who I vote for anyway, Utah always goes Rep.

Peace,
Brandon
post #6 of 30
Sounds like the "power" has gone to his head. Being the global bully is, IMO, inviting more trouble for our country in the long run. The superpower status is not permanent (cf. Britain, France, the former Soviet Union, Rome, etc.) With its trade (how many jobs did the protective steel tariffs cost?), environmental and security policies, this administration has made more enemies than friends. Does that make us more "secure"? Following the WMD fiasco, history is going to treat Bush and Blair pretty harshly. Voters should get rid of him in an attempt at damage control.
post #7 of 30
Jcat: I totally agree - Bush is currently on one man's agenda namely his and not the countries.
post #8 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by valanhb
do you want a president whose campaign has basically been not much more than saying how horrible the current administration is?
It seems like now that he is so far ahead of the others, that Kerry is talking more about the economy, health care, education, etc. However, he definately does his daily dose of Bush bashing before leaving the stage!
post #9 of 30
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Originally posted by lotsocats
It seems like now that he is so far ahead of the others, that Kerry is talking more about the economy, health care, education, etc. However, he definately does his daily dose of Bush bashing before leaving the stage!
The Bush administration has certainly provided enough ammunition for Kerry's "Bushwhacking". Today has been a very black day in Iraq. These developments should have been foreseen, or, at the very least, Bush and his cronies ahould have heeded others' warnings. I'm so sick of the current administration's misguided arrogance that verbal or written attacks from any quarter get my attention. At the moment our legislators are getting faxes from my mom regarding their Medicare prescription drug benefit. It won't do much good, but at least she's annoying them. My best friend, a former staunch Republican and a true "Reaganite", is now saying she would even vote for Al Sharpton if it meant getting rid of Bush & Co.. I find it a real pity that no Republicans are challenging Bush's candidacy. I wouldn't have much trouble respecting a President McClain, but I simply cannot recognize somebody like Bush, who has not only turned my country, my homeland, into a "banana republic", out for profits only, but has polarized the U.S. population and alienated most of the "international community". How can anybody trust a person who admits that he doesn't read newpapers, and whose TV is mainly switched to "Faux News"? Who on earth is running the country? Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft or Murdoch? Sorry, Bush fans, but do you know whom you are supporting?
post #10 of 30
Jcat, I could not have said it better.

I don't mind respecting a conservative, but I would never be able to respect a President with an IQ like his. And as arrogant as them... who on earth can vote for someone who throws to the garbage can all forms of diplomacy, disrespects all international law, throws the country on a war on trunked up reasons (to make matters worse that war is failing right now), and even when their own allies warn them they turn it down? That stupid cowboy attitude may be acceptable as the obscure governor of Texas, but as the president of a superpower, never. He is a. the greatest menace to world peace, b. throwing his own country down the drain.

I don't know about you people, but I would rather have someone who can't keep his pants on in the Oval Office (Clinton) than someone who thinks he is the police man of the world, and doesn't know what the word "imported" means.

BTW, Jcat, what do you mean by Faux? I know you are talking about the ultra-right wing Fox News, whom can never talk anything bad of Bush, and if they do they give a positive spin to it, but what do you mean by "Faux"? (My French is horrible, I am afraid)
post #11 of 30
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I wouldn't have much trouble respecting a President McClain
I agree! He is a republican who I could stand up and support. He has intregrity and is willing to cross party lines to do the right thing.

Yoviher...Faux News is a play on words. Faux indicates something that is false or fake. So, the implication is that it is False News.
post #12 of 30
"Faux" means "fake", and stands for "Fox News". I can't claim responsibility; a British friend, who is an even worse "news junkie" than I am, and who experienced Murdoch's malevolent influence first-hand while living in Britain, dubbed "Fox news" so. I find the title fitting. Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky was despicable; however, it didn't cost the lives of military personnel. I come from a military background, and I realize that personal sacrifice is often justified. I don't find that to be the case here. Were the U.S. or Britain really threatened by Iraqi activities? I think not. Iran, an enemy of the U.S., so - forget it!
post #13 of 30
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Originally posted by jcat
"Faux" means "fake", and stands for "Fox News".
Interesting development on Faux News. You who have been unfortunate enough to have watched this collection of "unfair and unbalanced" Bush apologists will have seen and heard Bill O'Reilly -- one of the worst right-wingnuts in a collection of right-wingnuts. He has worn blinders and followed the administration line on George's little war religiously from the very beginning.

Yesterday, on the TV program "Good Morning America," Bill told viewers that he was sorry he had given the administration the benefit of the doubt on Bush's assertions about weapons of mass destruction and promised to be more sceptical in the future.

If Bill O'Reilly has seen the light there is hope for the American electorate yet.

More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ixportal.html

BTW, jcat. We read in the press that U.S. expats in Europe overwhelmingly condemn the Bush administration for what it has done with, and for, our foreign policy. We compliment you for apparently being part of that multitude.

Cheers,

Jim, Ann, Miss Kitty, and soon, Samwise, on a Texas beach
post #14 of 30
"Faux News"

I have several friends who (along w/ my hubby) are staunch Republicans who've been disillusioned by Bush's actions during his term. He is not a Republican, he's a Bush, making up his own self & crony-serving party as he goes along. It really is a shame that he automatically gets the Republican nomination...I think if there were a Republican primary held this year he'd probably lose. My friends are at a loss for what to do, because they hate Bush, but don't want to vote Democrat. They're considering voting Libertarian as a protest.
post #15 of 30
Thanks for that joke... "Faux" News.... love it

That means that if Kerry, does not throw himself too liberal he can attract both the democrats and all the disgruntled republicans and if possible republicans who favor the war but dislike Bush for something else, then the Democrats can surely win.
post #16 of 30
One thing to remember regardless, is they all *talk* a good game trying to get into the seat of power. Once they get on that throne, they forget the promises made to the people and they go about their own agenda. Each president has done this to one extent or another, and IMO every time there is a new man in office it gets worse and worse. I am not sure why I don't like any of them running right now- but none have impressed me as being sincere.
post #17 of 30
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Originally posted by hissy
One thing to remember regardless, is they all *talk* a good game trying to get into the seat of power. Once they get on that throne, they forget the promises made to the people and they go about their own agenda.
Ain't that the truth!
post #18 of 30
Agreed, Mary Anne. What you've just said is a truth the size of a grand piano. Unfortunately, in politics you never get very far by being honest. You have to attach to Maquiavelli's teachings. That's why here there's a saying that says "politics are filthy".
post #19 of 30
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Originally posted by yoviher
That's why here there's a saying that says "politics are filthy".
We would suggest that it might be more correct to say that we get the politicians we deserve. We get them through our inattention to current affairs; we get them through our failure to have our views expressed by our vote; we get them because we do not concern ourselves with candidates' backgrounds; we get them because we believe false claims without taking the trouble to determine the truth; and we get them by not involving ourselves in politics so as to have some control over who become our representatives.

To suggest that "all" politicians are equally bad is, we would think, an oversimplification which causes us, through our understandable frustration, to elect the ones we later complain about. We are confident that each of us, with only a little effort, can identify politicians whom we have, or do, respect for their honesty and integrity.
post #20 of 30
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James,

I agree that not all politicians are bad. When I lived in Tallahassee, I was very politically active and was part of a grass-roots movement to get Col. Pete Peterson elected to congress. Col. Peterson is one of the most honest, upstanding, and truly good human beings there are out there. (He was once my boss, so I knew him well.) Luckily we succeeded in our efforts and he went on to serve the our country in this capacity. Later, Clinton appointed him to be the first ambassador to VietNam since the end of the war over there. He continued his upstanding and honest work as a politician while there. From what I understand (and my facts might be a tad shaky at this point) he left VietNam in part because Bush's new administration and in part to run for governor of Florida. Sadly, he is no longer in office. But, for a while I know for certain that we had at least one outstanding human being serving our country as a politician.

Renae
post #21 of 30
Sorry for my simplification... just that when you live in a country where not a month goes by that a politician is arrested by the F.B.I. for corruption. And the previous governor has over 30 of his former cabinet members sitting in club Fed. And the former president of the house of representatives is sitting in jail for raping his 15 year old daughter-in-law.

James, I have to agree... I guess its true that if people were a bit less pesimistic and check better those candidates they would be voting for the best, not the "least bad". Although the frustration is very understandable.

Thanks for that name you've mentioned me! It's very, very refreshing to know there are people out there in politics who are still honest.
post #22 of 30
Here's an interesting poll showing that Bush's popularity and/or credibility have taken a beating lately:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4253596/
Of course, any findings have to be taken with a grain of salt.
post #23 of 30
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Originally posted by BuckyBee
I suppose all you good Americans have forgotten all the hopes and lives lost on September 11, or all the terrorists trained by Saddam Hussein and his minions to be turned on America. I suppose you have forgotten all those Iraqi citizens butchered by Saddam and his two little boys. Your words, "Don't bother us BuckyBee, that didn't happen in our backyard". Oops! We forgot, it did happen to us right in New York and could happen to us again if not for the vigilence of our troops, FBI, BATF, otherwise known as our Homeland Security Department started by none other than the much maligned President Bush. May he be re-elected again. Would you want to be led by a turncoat by the name of John Kerry? I think not.

What's your stake in this Victor? Puerto Rico is not allowed to participate in American Presidential elections, nor does it have any representation in the American government other than being called an American territory. The country receives quite a bit of funds from the American tax payer. In other words, your country has been on welfare for some time. Is it that you are worried that with a Republican President, that pipeline of easy money may soon be stopped, and you guys would really have to make it on your own?
Perhaps you should go play on the Faux News forum, if you're seeking like-minded people. I could suggest some other sites, but I don't want to drop to your niveau. That last remark was totally uncalled for. Victor, at 15, has shown a lot more mature behavior here than you have.
post #24 of 30
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Bucky,

We have members from all around the world....and, the owner of TCS is from Israel. All of our members are welcome to participate in all discussions. Also, the opinions of those in other countries can be invaluable. For example, I may not be a citizen of Iran, but I certainly have opinions about Iranian governance. Are you implying that because I'm not a citizen I can't state my opinion???

Also, there is no reason at all to attack Victor or Peurto Rico. You can give your opinions without being nasty or insulting a member or that member's country.

And, I don't consider Kerry a turncoat. I see him as a man who fought hard for his country, realized that his country was doing something he believed to his core was wrong, and was brave enough to stand up and say that it must stop. That sounds pretty darned American to me!
post #25 of 30
Thanks for your comments, lotsocats. You hit the nail on the head.
post #26 of 30
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Originally posted by jcat
Perhaps you should go play on the Faux News forum, if you're seeking like-minded people. I could suggest some other sites, but I don't want to drop to your niveau. That last remark was totally uncalled for. Victor, at 15, has shown a lot more mature behavior here than you have.
Thanx, jcat. Wish I had said that. I got trapped into a to-and-fro with whoever this is on another thread, unfortunately.

His/her/its post does demonstrate once again, though, what the GOP thinks of the rest of the world and our now isolated place in that world. The Bush foreign policy can be summed up as "It's none of your d****d business!"

Cheers,

Jim
post #27 of 30
Can I just say, please don't lump all conservatives into this category. That's just as wrong as him lumping all liberals into the same pot. That is one person's viewpoint, and I can tell you this - he doesn't represent MY opinion!
post #28 of 30
Quote:
lotsocats originally posted:
When asked whether he was concerned about Kerry getting so much support, Bush responded that the voters will decide who to elect based on who they think can best use America's power to keep the world safe.


I don't know about you guys, but THAT is NOT what I want my president to do. I want my president to run the USA effeciently and humanely. The last thing I want is for the president's main concern to be how to use our power to influence the rest of the world.

Also, this statement goes so strongly against what Bush professed when running for president. He wanted us out of other countries and he spoke strongly against nation-building.

I say let's use our power to make the USA economically sound and a good place to live and go back to being a MEMBER of the world instead of a self-professed ruler of the world! sheesh!
Couldn't have said it better myself, Renae. Bush scares me, and I sure hope he follows in his father's footsteps to become the next one-term President. I believe the we in the U.S. and the rest of the world would be a lot safer without him.
post #29 of 30
Quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBee

What's your stake in this Victor? Puerto Rico is not allowed to participate in American Presidential elections, nor does it have any representation in the American government other than being called an American territory. The country receives quite a bit of funds from the American tax payer. In other words, your country has been on welfare for some time. Is it that you are worried that with a Republican President, that pipeline of easy money may soon be stopped, and you guys would really have to make it on your own?
You know, my dear, I thought that with a member I had known at Cat Fancy Forums I had seen the worst in the line of trolls and agitators... but you took the cake. I have met bad comments and such in the web, but I have never, ever found a personal insult against me and my country as direct and intentional like yours.

Yes, we are not allowed to participate in American presidential elections and we have got no Congressmen over at Washinton, but all the laws the American Congress ratifies apply here, and if I was to disobey them I could be arrested by the FBI and be processed in a Federal Court and go to a Federal jail, so I guess I've got a claim to lose my sleep over what is done in a government whose laws directly affect me.

As for wellfare... ahh my dear friend, you have no idea how happy I would personally be if the Feds were to stop all that darn wellfare which has so many people as parasites of wellfare. Perhaps then, those people will start try to work and our economy will stop running on inertia.

Anyway, if Bush was to give us independence, I would thank him for the rest of my life and forgive him for all his stupidities... In case you didn't know I have always been an advocate of Puerto Rican Independence and self determination.

Well, I guess arguing with someone like you is not worth my energy, and even if it was worth it, I could say a few extra things, if it wasn’t for your mind is sooo narrow and only willing to hear what she likes to hear that you would have a memory overload.

Anyway, before I go, I want to suggest you a good book, which is very good as it describes someone just like you: It is Fyodor Dostoyevsky's The Idiot.


Anyway, to everyone else... thanks for standing behind me guys
post #30 of 30
Quote:
Originally posted by valanhb
Can I just say, please don't lump all conservatives into this category. That's just as wrong as him lumping all liberals into the same pot. That is one person's viewpoint, and I can tell you this - he doesn't represent MY opinion!
That's certainly clear! He seemed to be calling you one of those "liberals" on the SOS forum, though .
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