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I took my 11 month old kitten Swarley to the vet today due to a lack of energy, appetite and weight loss. It was bad news after more bad news from the second we saw the vet. At first, she said she felt a mass in his lower abdomen, so she needed to do an x-ray, also blood work (which was expected), then she showed me his gums which were nearly white. She brought him back after all the tests, and the mass I had been freaking out about was the least of my worries as the little guy was just constipated. As it turns out, my Swarley has an extremely enlarged left ventricle in his heart, severe anemia, and a heart murmur she noticed upon listening again. She was absolutely certain he had feline leukemia or was FIV+ even though I told her he had been tested before. She kept insisting so much so that I ended up just telling her to run the test again. After running it, he came back negative, like I said before. She then looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said, I just don't know what to tell you, I don't know what's wrong, I'm so sorry, but there's nothing I can do. So, basically, I left with amoxicillin mixed with a small amount of steroids and the little guy got a B12 and steroid shot, BUT!! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON OR WHAT TO EXPECT OR WHAT TO DO!! I'M SO FRUSTRATED :( !! Any ideas as to what it could be or what I can do to help my precious Swarley?!
 

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I took my 11 month old kitten Swarley to the vet today due to a lack of energy, appetite and weight loss. It was bad news after more bad news from the second we saw the vet. At first, she said she felt a mass in his lower abdomen, so she needed to do an x-ray, also blood work (which was expected), then she showed me his gums which were nearly white. She brought him back after all the tests, and the mass I had been freaking out about was the least of my worries as the little guy was just constipated. As it turns out, my Swarley has an extremely enlarged left ventricle in his heart, severe anemia, and a heart murmur she noticed upon listening again. She was absolutely certain he had feline leukemia or was FIV+ even though I told her he had been tested before. She kept insisting so much so that I ended up just telling her to run the test again. After running it, he came back negative, like I said before. She then looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said, I just don't know what to tell you, I don't know what's wrong, I'm so sorry, but there's nothing I can do. So, basically, I left with amoxicillin mixed with a small amount of steroids and the little guy got a B12 and steroid shot, BUT!! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON OR WHAT TO EXPECT OR WHAT TO DO!! I'M SO FRUSTRATED
!! Any ideas as to what it could be or what I can do to help my precious Swarley?!
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i'm so sorry your Swarley is having these symptoms. 


i don't have experience in this area, but i'm sure someone will be along soon who does have experience.

in the meantime, i'm going to try 'paging' a couple of members who have a lot of experience with kittens and medical issues.

@catwoman707, @Red Top Rescue -- may i ask for your expertise for the OP (original poster)?
 

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I took my 11 month old kitten Swarley to the vet today due to a lack of energy, appetite and weight loss. It was bad news after more bad news from the second we saw the vet. At first, she said she felt a mass in his lower abdomen, so she needed to do an x-ray, also blood work (which was expected), then she showed me his gums which were nearly white. She brought him back after all the tests, and the mass I had been freaking out about was the least of my worries as the little guy was just constipated. As it turns out, my Swarley has an extremely enlarged left ventricle in his heart, severe anemia, and a heart murmur she noticed upon listening again. She was absolutely certain he had feline leukemia or was FIV+ even though I told her he had been tested before. She kept insisting so much so that I ended up just telling her to run the test again. After running it, he came back negative, like I said before. She then looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said, I just don't know what to tell you, I don't know what's wrong, I'm so sorry, but there's nothing I can do. So, basically, I left with amoxicillin mixed with a small amount of steroids and the little guy got a B12 and steroid shot, BUT!! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON OR WHAT TO EXPECT OR WHAT TO DO!! I'M SO FRUSTRATED
!! Any ideas as to what it could be or what I can do to help my precious Swarley?!
On the surface it sounds like possibly cancer with severe anemia, but i would suggest more diagnostic work like an ultrasound and xrays (unless those were done) and a consultation with a more knowledgeable vet or at least a second opinion.  Are there other vets in your area?
 

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As usual, @StephenQ has given you excellent advice.  The first thing I would do if I were you is TRY to find a more experienced or more confident vet.  If you can find an AAHA accredited hospital in your area, go there right away.  Tell them what has been found so far.  AAHA hospitals are required to meet certain standards and must have continuing education to maintain their accreditation so they are usually right on top of things.  Here is a link where you can search for AAHA hospitals using your zip code.

https://www.aaha.org/pet_owner/abou...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

If your kitten's gums are white, then he is anemic, and there can be many causes of anemia.  He has heart problems too, and he may have a mass in his intestines, or it may be constipation.  When you call the AAHA hospital (and I hope there is one within reach), tell them all of the above and say you need to see another doctor so you can get a diagnosis and find out what to do.  You already know it's NOT FIV or leukemia, but obviously your cat needs some medical help.  They will probably get you in to see a doctor quickly.  Let us know what you find out.
 

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IF, and I can't help but question your vet and lack of experience, but IF correct about the x-ray results, it sounds like it may be juvenile HCM.

(hypertrophic cardiomyopathy)

If so, it is not a good prognosis I'm sorry to say.

I strongly suggest locating a highly experienced veterinarian who, hopefully specializes in heart issues ASAP.

I also suggest an ultrasound rather than an x-ray, so they can see any thickness and just how well/not the heart is able to work.

There may be ACE inhibitor drugs that can help it's function, but any further then this info, this is beyond my area of experience and expertise.
 

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I'm sorry Swarley is unwell. :(

Just wanted to quickly note, if you do see another vet, it'd be very helpful to get copies of Swarley's medical records from the original vet sent to either you, or the second vet you are planning to see.
 
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hi and welcome to TCS!

i'm so sorry your Swarley is having these symptoms.  :hugs:

i don't have experience in this area, but i'm sure someone will be along soon who does have experience.

in the meantime, i'm going to try 'paging' a couple of members who have a lot of experience with kittens and medical issues.

@catwoman707
, @Red Top Rescue
-- may i ask for your expertise for the OP (original poster)?
Thank you so very much for your help!! It truly means the world to me :angel: !!
 
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On the surface it sounds like possibly cancer with severe anemia, but i would suggest more diagnostic work like an ultrasound and xrays (unless those were done) and a consultation with a more knowledgeable vet or at least a second opinion.  Are there other vets in your area?
The vet did actually take an X-ray and do some blood work, but did not do an ultrasound. She found the enlarged left ventricle on the X-ray and said the mass she felt in his stomach appeared to be constipation and nothing serious. There are other vets in my area (central Illinois). I do plan on getting a second opinion, I'm just struggling on choosing a place as I feel this needs to be dealt with as swiftly as possible. I plan on taking a look at the list of the hospitals one of the other users has posted to see if there is one in my area. If not, I was thinking of taking Swarley to the University of Illinois vet clinic to hopefully get some answers.
 

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To help narrow down, are there are cat-only vets in your area? I find they really know their stuff when it comes to feline health and might have more insights. I wish you and Swarley all the best. 
 
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As usual, @StephenQ
has given you excellent advice.  The first thing I would do if I were you is TRY to find a more experienced or more confident vet.  If you can find an AAHA accredited hospital in your area, go there right away.  Tell them what has been found so far.  AAHA hospitals are required to meet certain standards and must have continuing education to maintain their accreditation so they are usually right on top of things.  Here is a link where you can search for AAHA hospitals using your zip code.

https://www.aaha.org/pet_owner/abou...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

If your kitten's gums are white, then he is anemic, and there can be many causes of anemia.  He has heart problems too, and he may have a mass in his intestines, or it may be constipation.  When you call the AAHA hospital (and I hope there is one within reach), tell them all of the above and say you need to see another doctor so you can get a diagnosis and find out what to do.  You already know it's NOT FIV or leukemia, but obviously your cat needs some medical help.  They will probably get you in to see a doctor quickly.  Let us know what you find out.
Thank you very much!! I think I will feel much better taking him to one of these hospitals vs. another vet as I feel this situation needs to be handled as fast as possible. There are quite a few within about 40 minutes of me, so that is a big relief. I had been thinking of taking him to the University of Illinois, which happens to be on there as well, so that is comforting. Fingers crossed they will be able to get Swarley in with a swiftness! Thanks again for all of your advice and help!
 
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IF, and I can't help but question your vet and lack of experience, but IF correct about the x-ray results, it sounds like it may be juvenile HCM.
(hypertrophic cardiomyopathy)
If so, it is not a good prognosis I'm sorry to say.
I strongly suggest locating a highly experienced veterinarian who, hopefully specializes in heart issues ASAP.
I also suggest an ultrasound rather than an x-ray, so they can see any thickness and just how well/not the heart is able to work.
There may be ACE inhibitor drugs that can help it's function, but any further then this info, this is beyond my area of experience and expertise.
Well, that sounds absolutely terrifying :( . In this case, I really hope that the vet I saw is absolutely wrong. I plan on taking Swarley to one of the AAHA hospitals mentioned by one of the other users, so hopefully that way, I will at least get a definitive answer one way or another so I can know what me and my little guy are dealing with. Thank you so much for your help :) !!
 
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To help narrow down, are there are cat-only vets in your area? I find they really know their stuff when it comes to feline health and might have more insights. I wish you and Swarley all the best. :heart3:
I actually did manage to somehow pull it together long enough to get copies of his blood work results and a copy of his X-rays before I left the vets office yesterday :) !! I'm happy I did, because I feel like I'm going to be needing them if I want him seen quickly. I actually haven't thought of that before, and am not sure if there are any vets that are just for cats in my area. I will have to look into that. Thank you so very much for your well wishes, suggestions and advice:) !!
 

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Most of the AAHA hospitals have several doctors, and often one is a feline specialist.   Sometimes you will find a cardiology specialist and/or one who specializes in ultrasound. If there are several AAHA hospitals within 40 minutes of you, try checking their web sites and reading about their doctors.  Most of them give lots of information on their web sites including where and when the vets graduated, from what school, what their special skills and areas of interest are, etc.  That would be a worthwhile project for Mothers Day, and then you will know which one you want to call first to see if they can get you in on Monday.  Also, since you did get copies of his medical records including blood work, you could take a picture of them and post them here and we can tell you what we think, i.e. how bad the anemia is and if any other blood chemistries are off, and if so, what that might tell us.  Several people on here have experience in reading lab results and could say he has "really bad anemia" or just "moderate anemia," which isn't diagnostic but might make you feel better just knowing.  There is an amazing amount of knowledge on this site.  We are like an AAHA hospital in that we have a lot of experience in many different areas, and sometimes that's more useful than just book learning. (We have a lot of book learning also!)
 
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Most of the AAHA hospitals have several doctors, and often one is a feline specialist.   Sometimes you will find a cardiology specialist and/or one who specializes in ultrasound. If there are several AAHA hospitals within 40 minutes of you, try checking their web sites and reading about their doctors.  Most of them give lots of information on their web sites including where and when the vets graduated, from what school, what their special skills and areas of interest are, etc.  That would be a worthwhile project for Mothers Day, and then you will know which one you want to call first to see if they can get you in on Monday.  Also, since you did get copies of his medical records including blood work, you could take a picture of them and post them here and we can tell you what we think, i.e. how bad the anemia is and if any other blood chemistries are off, and if so, what that might tell us.  Several people on here have experience in reading lab results and could say he has "really bad anemia" or just "moderate anemia," which isn't diagnostic but might make you feel better just knowing.  There is an amazing amount of knowledge on this site.  We are like an AAHA hospital in that we have a lot of experience in many different areas, and sometimes that's more useful than just book learning. (We have a lot of book learning also!)
I will definitely be looking into all of the ones closest to me, and hopefully will find the right vet for my kitty! If not, I am open to driving a bit farther if that means there will be a better chance for Swarley :) . Thank you so very much for your suggestions and knowledge!! I'm working on putting up his lab results right now. Just to warn you, for some reason, there are two different results for the same panel of tests? It's really weird and I didn't notice until now, but figured I should post all I have.
 

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It does look like she ran the blood chemistries twice and got different values.  The blood count itself looks like both reports are the same but one includes the sliding scale to visually show you any things out of range.  Obviously the anemia IS severe unfortunately.  Anemia is sometimes associated with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.  No wonder he has no energy.  The red cells (RBC) are the ones that carry oxygen through the body, and those are very low.  If his heart is not pumping properly in addition to this, he would be pretty much exhausted.  In your search for the right AAHA hospital to choose, do try to find one that has a cardiologist on staff, and they would also have he ability to do a cardiac ultrasound or echocardiogram.  If you can't find one that can do that at their hospital, you may be best to go to the University of Illinois vet clinic because it does look like the cardiac ultrasound will be the next thing needed for proper diagnosis, so no point in going somewhere they can't do that.  You can certainly ask when you call.  Sending positive vibes and hoping there are some good treatment options for him.
 

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Thank you so very much for your help!! It truly means the world to me
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you're truly welcome! 


and it's totally true, what @Red Top Rescue said, that 'There is an amazing amount of knowledge on this site.  We are like an AAHA hospital in that we have a lot of experience in many different areas, and sometimes that's more useful than just book learning. (We have a lot of book learning also!)'

we're here for you, in any way in which we can help. this includes support and encouragement. 
 

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IF, and I can't help but question your vet and lack of experience, but IF correct about the x-ray results, it sounds like it may be juvenile HCM.

(hypertrophic cardiomyopathy)

If so, it is not a good prognosis I'm sorry to say.

I strongly suggest locating a highly experienced veterinarian who, hopefully specializes in heart issues ASAP.

I also suggest an ultrasound rather than an x-ray, so they can see any thickness and just how well/not the heart is able to work.

There may be ACE inhibitor drugs that can help it's function, but any further then this info, this is beyond my area of experience and expertise.
Well, that sounds absolutely terrifying
. In this case, I really hope that the vet I saw is absolutely wrong. I plan on taking Swarley to one of the AAHA hospitals mentioned by one of the other users, so hopefully that way, I will at least get a definitive answer one way or another so I can know what me and my little guy are dealing with. Thank you so much for your help
!!
I'm sorry to scare you, but had to bring up HCM as a real possibility, and after reading his blood test results it's looking even more-so like HCM.

He is most definitely VERY anemic, lacking oxygen, which would be caused by the heart valve's lack of adequate distribution.

I agree that an AAHA hospital, ESPECIALLY with a skilled cardiologist on staff is the way to go at this time. ASAP too.

Hoping like mad that I am wrong here!

Cats are often inbred, causing so many genetic issues, we never know the full background on these little furballs until we are so in love with them, most are fortunate and are fine, some have mild deformities like extra toes, kinked tails, etc. Then even less are born with cleft palates, heart defects, etc. or worse.

I will be anxious to hear what a qualified vet says. 

We are all here for support. 
 
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It does look like she ran the blood chemistries twice and got different values.  The blood count itself looks like both reports are the same but one includes the sliding scale to visually show you any things out of range.  Obviously the anemia IS severe unfortunately.  Anemia is sometimes associated with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.  No wonder he has no energy.  The red cells (RBC) are the ones that carry oxygen through the body, and those are very low.  If his heart is not pumping properly in addition to this, he would be pretty much exhausted.  In your search for the right AAHA hospital to choose, do try to find one that has a cardiologist on staff, and they would also have he ability to do a cardiac ultrasound or echocardiogram.  If you can't find one that can do that at their hospital, you may be best to go to the University of Illinois vet clinic because it does look like the cardiac ultrasound will be the next thing needed for proper diagnosis, so no point in going somewhere they can't do that.  You can certainly ask when you call.  Sending positive vibes and hoping there are some good treatment options for him.
Yes, the poor little guy is exhausted and just lays around all guarded like and it's just breaking my heart :( . I unfortunately had to work today, but in my down time, I did go to the websites of the AAHA hospitals in my area and none of the descriptions of the vets themselves had anything about specializing in cardiology or anything. So, I feel at this point, the University of Illinois is going to be my best bet. Although there was one that said something about being certified as feline friendly, but again, there was nothing said about any cardiologists being on staff on the website. Thank you so much for the positive vibes and I hope there are some good options as well!! I'm so nervous about going!
 
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I'm sorry to scare you, but had to bring up HCM as a real possibility, and after reading his blood test results it's looking even more-so like HCM.
He is most definitely VERY anemic, lacking oxygen, which would be caused by the heart valve's lack of adequate distribution.

I agree that an AAHA hospital, ESPECIALLY with a skilled cardiologist on staff is the way to go at this time. ASAP too.

Hoping like mad that I am wrong here!
Cats are often inbred, causing so many genetic issues, we never know the full background on these little furballs until we are so in love with them, most are fortunate and are fine, some have mild deformities like extra toes, kinked tails, etc. Then even less are born with cleft palates, heart defects, etc. or worse.

I will be anxious to hear what a qualified vet says. 
We are all here for support. :alright:
I would definitely rather have some idea as to what we're possibly facing rather than having no clue. I don't think I've ever been so terrified as I was after the vet just sent us home saying I'm honestly surprised he's alive, and I'm sorry, but there's really nothing I can do. It's much more comforting to know what is potentially going on so I can kind of prepare myself. I just really hope that for some reason, there was a mistake made :( . I'm going to call and hopefully get him in to see someone tomorrow, so hopefully we will have some answers then! Thank you so much for all of your help and support :) !!
 
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