Urinary obstruction headaaaaaache (long post)

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Hi guys,

I'm new here, but I've been lurking for a long time. I'm currently going through the male cat urinary blockage nightmare, and I've found a lot of useful info in the forums here. But I could use some opinions on the differing info I'm getting from vets! NOTE: we're taking our little guy to a new vet soon and will be getting a third opinion from a professional. I'm just curious about what's worked for other cat owners. 

Short version: Mo had a urinary blockage and has been to both an emergency clinic and his general practitioner. He experienced a reblockage about a week and a half later. He saw the GP again, and we then transferred him to the ER. We're not confident in the GP after the way she handled his second block (that's another story for another time), but what do we know? We're not vets. 

So, here's what we were told by the different vets. We didn't tell either what the other said. We just asked straight questions. Tell me what your own experiences have been. Again: we ARE seeking answers from another professional, but while we wait for our first exam, I'm just kinda looking for anecdotes from other cat owners.

DIET

Mo used to exclusively eat a grain free diet that was 50% wet, 50% dry. It's all he had eaten since we adopted him as a kitten (he's almost 3 years now). He liked Tiki Cat and Weruva. Sometimes ate fish flavors but really loved chicken with pumpkin. When he first got his urinary diet, he didn't like it, so we mixed it with his old wet food to get him used to it.

What the GP said:

"No. No more. He can ONLY eat Hills C/D for the rest of his life. Both of your cats should only eat this in case he tries to eat her food too. No treats either."

What the ER said:

"It takes so long for C/D to work that mixing it with his old wet food for the first few days isn't going to hurt him. In fact, the C/D only helps so much. All we really care about is that he eats only wet food and gets plenty of water."

(Our local organic pet food store suggested we continue to feed him the Hills for a few months and then switch him to a raw diet. But, I mean, they *would* say that. Still... thoughts?)

MEDICATION

We noticed that he started reblocking the day after he ran through his course of Prazosin, which he was given for urethra spasms. We asked the GP if he should be given more.

What the GP said:

"He can continue to take it and it won't hurt him, but it won't help either because that's not what's causing his crystals."

We did not ask the ER about Prazosin. They volunteered this:

"What we think is happening here is that his urethra is still experiencing spasms. The spasms are causing irritation because of the crystals, and that's causing inflammation which is causing him to reblock. We don't want to increase his dose because that could lower his blood pressure, so we're going to continue his regular dose but split in half and have you give it to him twice a day instead of the whole thing once a day."

FISH?

We picked the tuna stew flavored Hills when we went through Mo's free samples of the chicken. I read later that you shouldn't give male cats with crystals any fish. 

What the GP said:

"That's been debunked. There's no evidence that fish has any effect one way or another on the pH of the urine."

We didn't ask the ER. Honestly, I feel like the GP is probably right, but I'm so nervous I may not give him fish anyway.

What's your experience been? Have any of you had a cat that blocked twice quickly but didn't block again after? I need some hope here! 
 

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Hi guys,

I'm new here, but I've been lurking for a long time. I'm currently going through the male cat urinary blockage nightmare, and I've found a lot of useful info in the forums here. But I could use some opinions on the differing info I'm getting from vets! NOTE: we're taking our little guy to a new vet soon and will be getting a third opinion from a professional. I'm just curious about what's worked for other cat owners. 

Short version: Mo had a urinary blockage and has been to both an emergency clinic and his general practitioner. He experienced a reblockage about a week and a half later. He saw the GP again, and we then transferred him to the ER. We're not confident in the GP after the way she handled his second block (that's another story for another time), but what do we know? We're not vets. 

So, here's what we were told by the different vets. We didn't tell either what the other said. We just asked straight questions. Tell me what your own experiences have been. Again: we ARE seeking answers from another professional, but while we wait for our first exam, I'm just kinda looking for anecdotes from other cat owners.

DIET

Mo used to exclusively eat a grain free diet that was 50% wet, 50% dry. It's all he had eaten since we adopted him as a kitten (he's almost 3 years now). He liked Tiki Cat and Weruva. Sometimes ate fish flavors but really loved chicken with pumpkin. When he first got his urinary diet, he didn't like it, so we mixed it with his old wet food to get him used to it.

What the GP said:

"No. No more. He can ONLY eat Hills C/D for the rest of his life. Both of your cats should only eat this in case he tries to eat her food too. No treats either."

What the ER said:

"It takes so long for C/D to work that mixing it with his old wet food for the first few days isn't going to hurt him. In fact, the C/D only helps so much. All we really care about is that he eats only wet food and gets plenty of water."

(Our local organic pet food store suggested we continue to feed him the Hills for a few months and then switch him to a raw diet. But, I mean, they *would* say that. Still... thoughts?)

I AM WITH THE ER DOCTOR -- ONLY WET FOOD AND PLENTY OF WATER.  HOWEVER, THE WET FOOD NEEDS TO BE LOW CARB, I.E. BASICALLY MEAT, FAT, AND NO MORE THAN 10% CARBS.  THIS WILL KEEP URINE pH SLIGHTLY ACIDIC AND THAT WILL PREVENT STRUVITE CRYSTALS FROM FORMING.

MEDICATION

We noticed that he started reblocking the day after he ran through his course of Prazosin, which he was given for urethra spasms. We asked the GP if he should be given more.

What the GP said:

"He can continue to take it and it won't hurt him, but it won't help either because that's not what's causing his crystals."

We did not ask the ER about Prazosin. They volunteered this:

"What we think is happening here is that his urethra is still experiencing spasms. The spasms are causing irritation because of the crystals, and that's causing inflammation which is causing him to reblock. We don't want to increase his dose because that could lower his blood pressure, so we're going to continue his regular dose but split in half and have you give it to him twice a day instead of the whole thing once a day."

THIS TIME BOTH DOCTORS ARE RIGHT.  PRAZOSIN IS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE CRYSTALS, BUT IF HE IS STILL HAVING SPASMS, IT WILL HELP HIM WITH THAT.  THE CRYSTALS ARE CAUSING THE INFLAMMATION.  HE NEEDS EXTRA WATER AND AN ACIDIFYING DIET TO HELP WASH THEM OUT.

FISH?

We picked the tuna stew flavored Hills when we went through Mo's free samples of the chicken. I read later that you shouldn't give male cats with crystals any fish. 

What the GP said:

"That's been debunked. There's no evidence that fish has any effect one way or another on the pH of the urine."

We didn't ask the ER. Honestly, I feel like the GP is probably right, but I'm so nervous I may not give him fish anyway.

What's your experience been? Have any of you had a cat that blocked twice quickly but didn't block again after? I need some hope here! 
YES!!!

THE GP IS WRONG AGAIN!  (YOU NEED TO CHANGE VETS.)  HERE IS THE SKINNY ABOUT FISH:

Phosphorus is a general indicator of the calcium and magnesium load of the diet.  If a diet is low in phosphorus, chances are it is also fairly low in calcium and magnesium since all of those minerals are high in bone material and if a diet is low in phosphorus, it is probably low in bone matter.

Note that fish tends to be high in phosphorus because fish comes with its own bones so stay away from fish.   (from ww.catinfo.org)
It is not the flesh of the fish that is the problem, it is the fact that it  usually is ground up with all its bones so it has too much phosphorus and calcium proportionately.

This diet works.  Once you get your cat settled on a proper diet (NOT Hills, not Royal Canin) which does not have to be raw (although raw is good if you are up to the work it entails), he will be fine.  My cat is fine on this and she was a vet fail rescue.  The shelter was going to put her to sleep because two different vets had failed to fix her with their antibiotics and "prescription diet" dry foods.  High animal protein, moderate fat, very low carb WET FOODS will get him right again, and there are a lot around.  While you are getting rid of the accumulated crystals, you need to flush with more water.  Get him to drink tuna water (shake up a can of tuna in a jar of water, strain it, and put the water down for him as an extra treat)  Goats milk also agrees with them and makes them drink more liquid.  NO dry food.  I've sent you some references to articles and studies that I used when curing the first one and learning about this, by Private Message.  We have since taken on another male in the rescue , working with another vet, who swears by this approach.  That  cat has been find for months, and he blocked 3 or 4 times before getting clean.

Suggestion for finding a good, up to date vet:  see if there is a hospital accredited by the AAHA near you.  (Search on the below link, giving them your zip code). Better yet if they have a Feline Specialist on board, but better than most in any case because continuing education is required to maintain their accreditation.  It sounds like your emergency vets are on the ball and your other vet is behind the times.

https://www.aaha.org/pet_owner/abou...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 
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This is wonderful. Thank you for this and for the other info you sent me! 

Our cats' old vet was wonderful, but she moved away, ALL of the lovely techs she used to work with left the clinic, and his new GP has left us feeling very uncertain from the very first visit. The moment she said we needed to only feed him Hills for the rest of his life, I thought, "That can't be right. This has so much junk in it!" In fairness to her, she admitted she didn't like it because of how much it fattens the cats who eat it, but her attitude was that it was the only way. Relieved to hear from not only the ER vets but another cat owner that this isn't the case!
 
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I just wanted to post a quick update to thank everyone who sent me messages in response to this thread. You guys gave me some wonderful suggestions and excellent resources for further research, and we've been following what we've learned. So far, so good! Mo is not on the prescription diet, and he hasn't reblocked. It may be too soon to be certain, but it's been two months since his last blockage. Considering he reblocked within two *weeks* after the first time, we're considering this a positive sign!

For those wondering: Mo eats limited ingredient, non-prescription wet food with water or homemade (no onion or salt) broth added. Sometimes we add cranberry powder. His water is filtered, and he's drinking a lot more of it now. We have Rescue Remedy on hand for stressful situations, though we've found something else that calms him down. It's–not even joking–Bob Ross videos. Seriously.

Our cat loves Bob Ross. Runs up to the TV and watches with great interest before curling up and going to sleep. I don't think we would have gotten him through the terror of 4th of July fireworks so smoothly without it. We think it's the shh-shh-shh sounds of the paintbrush (we have an album of songs composed for cats by David Teie that he also loves, and it has similar sounds throughout). So, there's a tip from me to you! Haha
 

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Thanks for the update!  It is really important to me to follow up on the cats who have had urinary problems and what was done and what is being done for prevent more of them, and the more success stories we have, the more people are going to listen.   I'm glad Mo is on a feline-appropriate diet and that he's doing well on it.  My rescue girl is still fine also.  I'm particularly amused that Bo likes Bob Ross videos because I too find him very soothing and enjoyable.  I dont have any videos but do catch him on PBS from time to time. Perhaps I should look for a video and see what the cats think of it.
 
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