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post #1 of 28
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Kedgley calls for ban on alcohol biscuits
05 February 2004

Australian baker Arnott's is attempting to hook young people into the culture of alcohol at an early age with its alcohol-flavoured biscuits, Green MP Sue Kedgley said today.

Arnott's created a stir in Australia yesterday day when Kahlua-flavoured Mint Slices and Tia Maria-tinged Tim Tams hit supermarket shelves. They will be released throughout New Zealand on March 1.

But Ms Kedgley said Arnott's should halt that plan and called for a comprehensive review of foodstuffs containing alcohol which were aimed at youngsters.

"Marketers are targeting children and young people at ever-younger ages in an attempt to get them hooked on the taste of alcohol," she said.

"Introducing booze-flavoured chocolate biscuits is going far too far."

Arnott's spokeswoman Toni Callaghan yesterday said the biscuits were not targeted at children but at women aged 20 to 45.

However, women looking for a quick fix face disappointment or a bulging waistline.

"You would need to consume your body weight of biscuits every hour to reach a blood-alcohol content of.05 (The Australian drink-driving limit)," Ms Callaghan said.

The bottom line for men is they would need to consume 40kg of biscuits in one sitting to register a similar blood alcohol reading.

Story from http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2805914a11,00.html
post #2 of 28
It's only booze flavored and if so, I don't think kids will like it. BTW, aren't some cakes (like fruit cakes) made with rum? I know some children love those and I don't see them wallowing in alcohol!
post #3 of 28
I doubt it would catch on. I know i would'nt touch them!!
post #4 of 28
Oh wow - booze AND biscuits (vodka flavoured jaffas please )
post #5 of 28
All I can say is yum. I think I will ask mum to send me some. Hey that rhymes!
I had some rum cake from the bahamas this week and it is sooo good. I dont think it is possible to get drunk on anything like that anyway.
post #6 of 28
Well considering that alot of Resurant dishes are cooked with wine and no one complains. Cause when the alcohal is cooked it loses the alcohal effect. I grew up eating Jack Daniels Cookies and my parents are 110% against alcohal. But yet when my grandma made the cookies they wouldn't last longer then an hour or so with my family there. You could taste the JD but it never caused anything to happen.....well except for maybe the fact that I am ADDICTED to JD now LOL But no one else in my family likes it like I do.
post #7 of 28
I don't buy it... I love brandy flavored chocolate, and I ain't hooked on alcohol... although I can distinguish one type of wine from another by tasting it.
post #8 of 28
I don't buy it - the biscuits/cookies don't contain more than mere traces of alcohol, and I would think that most kids wouldn't like the taste (not sweet enough). The so-called "alchopops", like the Bacardi breezers or Smirnoff ice, are more of a problem, as they do contain alcohol, and are very popular among teenagers, even 13-year-olds. Several European countries have already put prohibitive taxes on them (about $1.25 per bottle) to discourage kids from consuming them. Restricting sales to certain outlets and enforcing age limits are, in my experience, ineffective. When I was growing up in PA, anything "harder" than beer or wine was only available in a so-called "State Store", and the latter were only sold by licensed distributors, or in very small quantities by licensed bars/delis as "take-outs". Except for a few short years in the late seventies, the drinking age has always been 21 in the U.S., but my friends and I, even at 15, never had any trouble getting our hands on alcoholic beverages. The manufacturers of "alchopops" are being accused of actually targeting teenagers with these beverages. Anything for a profit!
post #9 of 28
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mmmmmm, at the bottom of this page it's links to biscuits, YUMMY!

I don't really think anyones going to get drunk on these biscuits, and right doesn't the alcohol change after it's been cooked?

I love rum balls! so might try these biscuits, seriousely though it's pathetic to complain cos alcohol is apart of every day lives now..
post #10 of 28
Look, the chances of getting drunk with a rum biscuit are about the same as getting drunk with Pepsi. What are the chances of getting drunk with Pepsi?

I presume that the minimum age of 21 in the US is a state by state basis, since in Puerto Rico, which is a U.S. territorry has the limit of 18.

Actually, jcat you have just described how easy it is here in Puerto Rico for us to obtain such things. Here we get those things with incredible ease. Sometimes we just find it plain pathetic at how efficient is the government here to enforce its own laws.
post #11 of 28
I turned 18 in 1975, and at that time several states lowered the drinking age to 18. However, during the Reagan administration (1980s), states that wanted federal funding for highway construction were compelled to set the legal age at 21. The voting age was lowered to 18 in the advent of the Vietnam War: It wasn't logical to be able to sacrifice your life for your country from the age of 18, but not to be able to choose the politicians sending you to your doom until you were 21. The average age at which you can get a driver's license is 16, though that still varies from state to state. In most states. you must be 18 to contract marriage without your parents' permission, although you can, at present, be tried as an adult for crimes committed before you reach that age (the death penalty for crimes committed before your 18th birthday is currently under review by the Supreme Court). Here in Germany, the legal drinking age is 16. However, you must be 18 in order to take a driving test or to vote. If you commit a crime, you'll probably be tried as a juvenile up to the age of 20. If you are under 14, you can't be convicted, even if you murder a number of your classmates. What a hodgepodge! I work with teenagers, and I definitely believe that your chronological age doesn't necessarily correspond to your intellectual/psychological/experiential age. Therefore, most of these stipulations are arbitrary, and often inconsistent.
post #12 of 28
That explains it, Puerto Rico receives little funding from the feds, most of funding goes to well fare.

Driver's license in Puerto Rico is also 16, but I think that there ought to be a federal law to establish that is 16, since different states putting it to their age of preference is crazy.

I agree, those stipulations are arbitrary, it does not correspond to mental/intelectual age. I know friends of my age, who are morons, while others are way beyond their age... most people I meet say I am way too smart for my age... but I try not to let it go to my head.

Anyway, applying the same philosophy to this... Is it fair that at 18 someone in the states can get in the army and get killed in Iraq, and at the same age not be able to drink legally a glass of wine?

BTW, since when does it make sense to drink at 16 but drive at 18?
post #13 of 28
Originally posted by yoviher
BTW, since when does it make sense to drink at 16 but drive at 18?
Quite frankly, that makes more sense to me than the current system in the US. Most (not all!) people, when they turn 21 (or whatever the age is that makes it legal to drink) go hog wild and drink to excess on most occassions that they do drink. Makes more sense to let people go through that phase WITHOUT having legal access to a car, where you can kill someone drinking and driving. Usually, two years later people have outgrown the drink-to-get-drunk phase.
post #14 of 28
That's my objection also. By "arbitrary", I mean "not always logical".
post #15 of 28
Well I'm sitting back with popcorn and watching parent groups/media/alcohol groups/nutritionists tussle it out with Arnotts. In my personal opinion, they shouldn't be on the shelves. It's blatantly obvious that these new varieties of Tim Tams, (which by the way the non alcoholic ones are heavenly), have alcohol in it and the packing is marked clearly with the same logo/name of the alcoholic flavour. The content of alcohol is 0.1%.

I disagree with the marketing and packaging behind the product. I think this is what upsets people the most. Though a lot of people are saying that it's introducing alcohol to children.

But since I live in Australia, I may just have to go down the biscuit aisle next shopping trip.
post #16 of 28
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Oh Mags you must try them, and tell us what they're like, we have to wait a whole month for them to hit our shelves *twiddles thumbs* 0.1 percent what a joke!
post #17 of 28
I do intend to try them.

It's still all over the news! It must be a slow news week over here. What with Janet Jackson's breast and alcoholic Tim Tams, you'd think the world was at peace.
post #18 of 28
Thread Starter 
You are too funny.
post #19 of 28
I have no objection to small amounts of alcohol for children (biscuits or not) as long as it is by parental choice. Other countries in Europe give small glasses of wine to children with their meals from an early age, these children for the most part learn to be sensible with alcohol. Here in the UK the vast majority of teenagers drink to excess. It is a problem that is getting out of control, the village I moved from is fairly small and rural but it was normal to see police vans parked outside the local pubs on Friday and Saturday nights.
post #20 of 28
You know, I don't even think children would like the taste of alcohol flavoured biscuits - I know these are not biscuits - but as a kid (13 under) I never aquired a taste for liquire flavoured chocolates.

Wasn't there a big fuss over alcohol icy poles 5 or 6 yrs ago- wanting them phased out b/c they'd appeal to kids/teens - never did - or to my knowledge they were not.
post #21 of 28
The supermarket doesn't carry them yet!

I was so looking forward to Tia Maria....I have to try each version out there. You just might miss the PERFECT Tia Maria.

I've seen alcoholic icy poles. Never bought them, it's easier to drink and then head to the dance floor. Sucking on an icy pole just takes too much time.
post #22 of 28
jeeperscat, what you said about the wine cups is very true... I don't know how many other European countries it is like that, but in Spain it is like that and it was sometimes served even in restaurants. In Puerto Rico it is the same but not with wine, but with rum. (Every region has its alcholic drink of preference, here its rum). Anyway, I agree, children who have that experience, usually learn to be responsible with it at younger age.

valanhb, is that like that in Colorado? here it isn't. But I have to disagree a bit. Drinking a large amount of alcohol at 16 is much more lethal than at 18 or 21. If we are talking about small amounts (such as a casual glass of wine or beer with dinner) then it does no harm, on the contrary in some cases, such as wine it can be healthy.

On the contrary a car is all the contrary, as there are many 14 and 15 year olds that would be capable of driving a car as responsibly as any adult. At the same time, I know some who at 17 are capable (and not being drunk at all!) of putting you to pray while you are in the passenger seat. I think that the driver's license ought to be 16 yrs, mental age. Then you weed out all the more irresponsable.
post #23 of 28
Unfortunatly mental age, or actual maturity age, isn't something easily defined, let alone how it would be measured. I suppose, to some extent, varying the ages for voting, driving, drinking and smoking, etc. would ideally allow teens/young adults to gradually get used to some of the responsibilities that come alone with each of those freedoms. But, because these age requirements are often ignored we end up with more problems, like teens drinking and driving. Most teens that drink and drive have had access to alcohol a number of years. So, it's possible that they haven't learned to be a responsible driver, without alcohol already being an influence in their life. (IF you break one law, say drinking underage, where will you draw line on breaking other laws, such as driving over the legal alcohol limit? I believe it is 0.8%, if not throughout the U.S., then at least in CA.)

When I went to Northern Ireland I learned that biscuits there are what we call cookies in the U.S. Is that the same for Australia?

Personally, I don't think a product that is popular among children should be flavored like alcohol. If the product is going to be out there, it should be marketed responsibly toward adults. Perhaps sold near alcohol itself. It is not kids getting drunk that is a problem, but it is the chance of developing a taste for the products you find alcohol in, that causes concern. I don't think we should, however indirect, contribute to possible future abuse of alcohol. (Alcoholism (or even drunk driving) is a social problem because it leads to social consequences. "No man is an island...") Ultimately though, it is up to the parent to determine if this is something they want their child to have. (And to educate their children on responsible use of alcohol, whether the child is a minor or an adult.)

With all the publicity you guys are getting on that side of the hemisphere, about these biscuits, more and more people of all ages will want to try them. ("There's no such thing as bad publicity.") The media has saved that company thousands of advertising dollars. Go media!
post #24 of 28
Yup, biscuits are cookies.

And it's been free advertising for Arnotts alright. I didn't even know the darn things existed until they were on the news. Now I'm waiting for the Tia Maria flavour.
post #25 of 28
Thread Starter 
Drivers license is 15 here(Yay,under two years to go.) and alcohol is 18.

Yip, the same here I didn't know about these bikkies(Biscuits,cookies..?? whatever you like to call them) until I read it on nzoom. I really can't wait to try them especially(like mags) the timtam ones *drools*

Thanks for the interesting discussion!
post #26 of 28
Well...I've spied the offending biscuits in my grocery store, (the very same grocery store that doesn't sell corn syrup!), and bought them.

So far I've had the Tia Maria flavoured Tim Tams. YUMMY!! Though, to be honest, they taste more coffee than Tia Maria. There is a small hint of alcohol flavour but after leaving the biscuits opened in the fridge for a couple of days, the alcohol flavour diminishes rapidly.

Haven't had any Kahlua slices yet. They're still unopened.

But will keep you updated!
post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 
Cool! I can't wait to try them , under a week to go..lol.

Do you non australasians have tim tams?
post #28 of 28
My sister sent me some today. Heaven in a biscuit!
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