Is all seafood bad?

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I know cats are supposed to have food with a lot of fish in it because they can get "addicted" to it, and also because of the Mercury. But what about other seafood, like shrimp, clams, etc?

Is all seafood bad, or just the generic "ocean whitefish" I always see on food labels?
 
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Oops! That was supposed to say I know cats AREN'T supposed to have food with fish in it!
 

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This is a good rundown of the specific problems with fish: http://www.littlebigcat.com/nutrition/why-fish-is-dangerous-for-cats/

So, shrimp and shellfish are exposed to and ingest toxins and pollutants, the levels depending on where they were harvested. I think they still would not be good to feed to as a substantial portion of their food. However, the farther down the food chain an aquatic animal is, the lower the level of toxins, so presumably filter feeders would be better than whitefish, which are large and much higher up the food chain.
 

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But every major cat food manufacturer produces a salmon formula.
 

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Ever since my male cat had a blockage I've never let any of my cats have anything with seafood. I used to allow mostly seafood because they loved it but no more...
 

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But every major cat food manufacturer produces a salmon formula.
Even the best cat food brands are trying to make a profit. People are familiar with salmon and believe it to be healthy, plus cats really like fish, so it sells really well. Lots of cat foods are full of unhealthy ingredients.
 

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I've been wondering about this too. Should cats have no food at all with fish in it? Or is it okay for them to have it once in a long while. I think there are 16 3 oz cans in my 4 month rotation of wet cat food with two cans fed each day.
 

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I've been wondering about this too. Should cats have no food at all with fish in it? Or is it okay for them to have it once in a long while. I think there are 16 3 oz cans in my 4 month rotation of wet cat food with two cans fed each day.
It's kind of a judgement call. The general rule is once in a while/in moderation is fine. Personally I only feed fish as treats, but I think many people on this forum do have the occasional fish flavor in their rotation. It depends on the cat, too. Cats with kidney issues should particularly avoid fish, for example.
 
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My cats love fish food too. I am trying to get them to eat all wet food but one of my boys just loves kibble. He will eat a little of fish flavors of wet food tho. I'm giving them Nutro right now and he likes the ones that have shrimp or salmon in them.

Whenever I try to give him a chicken or turkey one he just looks at me like "you expect me to eat this?" Lol
 

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My cats love fish food too. I am trying to get them to eat all wet food but one of my boys just loves kibble. He will eat a little of fish flavors of wet food tho. I'm giving them Nutro right now and he likes the ones that have shrimp or salmon in them.

Whenever I try to give him a chicken or turkey one he just looks at me like "you expect me to eat this?" Lol
Yup. My oldest cat does that as well with specific flavors. Its started feeling like trying to get a picky kid to eat. I told him yesterday "You can't have your kibble until you eat at least a few bites of the canned food." It seemed like he understood since he started eating the canned right away.
 

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Seafood has been associated with many documented problems for cats and ideally shouldn't be a part of their main diet, or arguably at all. However, I do include it in my kitty's food stash for variety and scrutinize all seafood flavored foods.

My kitty seems ADDICTED to both wet and dry seafood flavors in her food rotations. She's not a fussy eater, but the occasional time there's Orijen 6 fish or Tiki cat wet food sitting in her bowl, she scarfs down her food as if she hasn't been fed for days. Most flavors in her rotation are greeted with excitement and approval except chicken. She typically does her routine kitty food dance during her meal time, wrapping her tail around my leg and circling me like a piranha, when I'm about to serve her food. The moment she sniffs chicken, she thinks her love has been met with betrayal and walks away. Eventually she does eat it, but  much later and not enthusiastically. I suspect her ex-owner is to be partially responsible for her lukewarm reception, if not resentment, toward chicken as she was fed dry chicken food every meal for the last 2.5 years of her kittenhood. 
 

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Here's my problem:

My Luna (a Dollface Persian who was dumped on the street by her former owners and scooped up by me) is allergic to basically every kind of cat food on the market. I went through 6 weeks of bloody diarrhea with her until the vet and I sorted out the food problem. There is only one brand of dry food I can buy here in Kuwait that doesn't make her sick (I tried them all!), and there is NO brand of wet food that doesn't make her sick. So I started off cooking chicken breasts (no seasoning) for her to give her some real protein, but she would only nibble. I tried other types of meats with the same result. I tried egg, she wouldn't even touch it (I have another cat who loves eggs so much he'll bite right into the shell).

One day I tried some high quality tuna and she devoured it. I started her with a small spoonful each day and monitored, after a month with no problems, I started giving her a small spoonful twice a day, still no problems. I'm aware of the problems with Tuna containing mercury and other toxins, and I know it's generally ill advised to feed a cat tuna on a regular basis. But the tuna is the only thing she will eat AND doesn't make her sick.

She's been on this diet for almost 2 months now and I've very closely monitored her wellness, behavior and litter box habits....all normal, even improved. I see no ill effects and the vet gives her a clean bill of health. So how about that?
 

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Wow! Tuna... What namebrand is the tuna? My Lily suddenly won't eat her prescription food so I've spent a fortune trying other canned food that she won't eat. She loves the Rx dry cd food but dry is not good for struvite crystals I've been told. Please tell me which tuna your cat likes and I'll try it. I'll try anything to help my girl... Ty
 

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Wow! Tuna... What namebrand is the tuna? My Lily suddenly won't eat her prescription food so I've spent a fortune trying other canned food that she won't eat. She loves the Rx dry cd food but dry is not good for struvite crystals I've been told. Please tell me which tuna your cat likes and I'll try it. I'll try anything to help my girl... Ty
I'm overseas so I have access to a lot of British brands. This one is Waitrose, which is a high-end British supermarket similar to a Whole Foods in the US, or a Dean and Deluca (another British brand, if you've heard of them). I have no idea if it makes a difference if the tuna is off-brand or name-brand in terms of quality. I stayed away from Starkist and other big US brands because of their poor record with environmental groups and sustainable fishing advocates.

If you do try anything I'd recommend strongly that you discuss with your vet, then very carefully monitor the results. As I mentioned I started with a very small spoonful each day and I monitored her litter box habits like a hawk. What had been consistently soft, poorly formed poop eventually became fully formed and normal. There's no evidence of other distress so far, but I'm still monitoring.

Every cat is different so you might also try baking or grilling a chicken breast (be sure not to season it at all), then shredding that and see if she'll take it.
 
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Thank you so much for such a quick response...
Altho I've never heard of the brands you mentioned I'm sure I can find some quality tuna and I promise to monitor her closely.
Ty
 

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Thank you so much for such a quick response...
Altho I've never heard of the brands you mentioned I'm sure I can find some quality tuna and I promise to monitor her closely.
Ty
Good luck! Meant to add: Be sure to buy tuna packed in spring water and not oil, brine, or anything else. You probably already know that but just in case. 
 

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Firstly, I'd like to draw attention to this article.[article="31650"][/article]
The problem with straight tuna (aside from mercury levels etc) is that it is both deficient in vitamin E and depletes B1 levels, potentially leaving a cat with two MAJOR deficiencies that can make it very ill. A teaspoon of tuna as an occasional treat is fine, fish flavoured complete and balanced commercial foods are ok (as the overall recipe will compensate for these issues), but a diet based around straight tuna is a recipe for disaster in the long run.

alibali alibali Fish flavoured complete foods are ok in my eyes. I have a fish addicted boy (who's also had crystals). It's been a fight to get him to eat good food, and I'd far rather feed a fish flavoured high quality canned food than give him a lower quality food that's fish free. Sometimes you have to make compromises - the best food in the world is useless unless it gets into the cat!

juleska juleska Go very carefully with the tuna. If possible, I'd try to transition to a different fish - tuna really is the most problematic fish out there. You might do better with something like mackerel, sardine or salmon. You could also try bonito flakes as a topper over chicken or other meat to see if that would tempt Luna to broaden her palate a little ;)
 

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Firstly, I'd like to draw attention to this article.[article="31650"]Can I Feed My Cat A Fish Based Or Fish Flavored Diet  [/article]
The problem with straight tuna (aside from mercury levels etc) is that it is both deficient in vitamin E and depletes B1 levels, potentially leaving a cat with two MAJOR deficiencies that can make it very ill. A teaspoon of tuna as an occasional treat is fine, fish flavoured complete and balanced commercial foods are ok (as the overall recipe will compensate for these issues), but a diet based around straight tuna is a recipe for disaster in the long run.

@alibali Fish flavoured complete foods are ok in my eyes. I have a fish addicted boy (who's also had crystals). It's been a fight to get him to eat good food, and I'd far rather feed a fish flavoured high quality canned food than give him a lower quality food that's fish free. Sometimes you have to make compromises - the best food in the world is useless unless it gets into the cat!

@juleska Go very carefully with the tuna. If possible, I'd try to transition to a different fish - tuna really is the most problematic fish out there. You might do better with something like mackerel, sardine or salmon. You could also try bonito flakes as a topper over chicken or other meat to see if that would tempt Luna to broaden her palate a little
I'm conscientious of this. She is getting a really high quality dry food, though, so I'm not feeding her *only* tuna. I agree with you, however, that reliance on a single form of protein isn't good. I've tried her on salmon and she wouldn't touch it. I've tried chicken and she nibbles but never more than a bite or two. I've tried other types of fresh fish that I baked and the most she did was lick it. Egg, wouldn't touch. Crab, not interested. The ONLY thing she'll eat is the tuna and any kind of wet cat food....every single brand of which gives her bloody diarrhea after just one helping.

I also tried her on raw foods. She likes raw chicken better than cooked, but still no more than a bite or two. Her stool has just gone soft again as of yesterday so for the moment she's off tuna and on nothing but dry kibble until her tummy tones down. I'll keep trying different things. It's hard for me to buy many specialty meats here in Kuwait.
 
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white shadow white shadow That article about hyperthyroidism is interesting - we were just at the vet yesterday and they are testing my fish-lover for it!! (He was recently diagnosed as epileptic and apparently hyperthyroidism can cause seizures!)
 
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