Tiki Cat beef & liver for IBD kitty - success anyone?

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Has anyone had luck with TC's Gourmet Carnivore beef & liver for an IBD cat? 

I've been hesitant about beef for various reasons but I'm running out of low carb, carrageenan and guar gum free options. Not to mention that every other food we try is loaded with disaccharides e.g., potatoes, sweet potatoes, potato starch, etc.

Molly will eat Weruva's Steak Frites but even after draining out what looks like potato soup, it still retains a lot of the starch.

Plus I don't want to drain out the vitamins / minerals.

Wondering also if TC might be too low calorie for Molly to feel satisfied? She still has a voracious appetite, not under control yet due to her disease. I wouldn't feed it exclusively, trying very hard with her to do a combo of raw boneless and low carb canned.

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Our cats don't have IBD but Edwina definitely has an odd stomach... she does fine on Tiki Cat, which she gets two or three times a week, including occasional beef and liver. Even she (the hungry one--is there a connection between stomach issues and voracious appetite?!) seems to get filled up nicely on Tiki's Gourmet Carnivore foods, particularly the ones with liver. The cats also love the liquid in all the GC liver foods.

The beef/liver is one of Tiki's most caloric foods: 240 calories for a six-ounce can. (Here's the nutrition table...) It seems like Tiki's fish foods give people the impression that all their foods are low-calorie but they're not!
 
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Our cats don't have IBD but Edwina definitely has an odd stomach... she does fine on Tiki Cat, which she gets two or three times a week, including occasional beef and liver. Even she (the hungry one--is there a connection between stomach issues and voracious appetite?!) seems to get filled up nicely on Tiki's Gourmet Carnivore foods, particularly the ones with liver. The cats also love the liquid in all the GC liver foods.

The beef/liver is one of Tiki's most caloric foods: 240 calories for a six-ounce can. (Here's the nutrition table...) It seems like Tiki's fish foods give people the impression that all their foods are low-calorie but they're not!
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Great thanks! I know I've read before you rotate TC with your kitties. 

Thanks for the chart - should have thought of it myself! :D  I see the values are listed as fed, going to have to do a little math to see the values on a DMB.  Interested in phos % DMB also.

Anyway, it seems like a much better alternative to Steak Frites. When I opened up a can this morn, Molly went right for the liquid, leaving the meat behind and I thought, "Uh oh, never mind TCS for any responses - TC gravy licker ..." but when I left the kitchen for a few minutes and returned, she ate up all the meat! So I gave her the rest of the can, she lapped up the gravy and chowed down on the meat.

My only concern about beef is that it can be hard for IBD kitties to digest. Also tends to be high in histidine, allergenic. But for what it's worth, TC's beef source is grass fed.

Glad it's calorie dense - I think I confused it with Soulistic which is lower cal, from what I've read, and we can't do chicken anyway.  I can't feed her beef only so if I can just get another protein that's also nutrient dense, plus we are starting her next week on B12 shot - and a new probiotic, hopefully things will stabilize.

Stomach issues / voracious appetite on your end too? Likely Edwina just has a hearty appetite, vs my Molly, who has malabsorption, the food goes right through her.  She even wants our people food, we can't leave *anything* unattended, even a piece of bread, she'll jump on the counter, grab and run off with it. So sad what's happened to her.

Thank you, esp re: calorie density!
 
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Our cats also go for the liquid first with Gourmet Carnivore -- they love slurping it up! I'm not sure how keen I am for them to have the olive oil but they do well with GC.

Yes, Edwina is a big eater. And I have to be careful with her so she doesn't get physically big, too! I think a huge part of her problem is residual food insecurity from her being a rescue cat (she was absolutely scrawny when we adopted her, it was sad) but she's the one with the potato issue, too, the one who gets flatulent and vomitous easily. She also scarfs and barfs, which I attribute to the food insecurity and her stomach just not being able to handle too much at once: I had to cut Nutro Natural Choice way, way back for her because she barfed it three times in a week and a half or so. I think the minced and sliced pieces are just too easy for her to eat too fast. I've been feeding them "lite" Weruva and Soulistic foods at night instead, which seems to be just enough to keep Edwina from her bile vomiting during the night (another of her issues!). She likes but doesn't love them so doesn't hoover them down plus the calories are a little lower to keep her winter weight down.


I'm so sorry to hear Molly's having all those troubles. Has she never gone for people food before? That's Ireland's trick: she can be picky and slow eating cat food but bread has to be in a cabinet or she'll chew through the bag, grated cheese can't stay on a counter because she's a cheese shark, and the kitchen sink disposal has to be run whenever there's anything in it. I'm sure that's a remnant of their hungry kittenhood, too. I think their first ten months must have been pretty rough.

I hope you're able to find more foods with good calorie density! Tiki GC has some sort of lamb and beef or lamb and liver food, too: I don't remember if Molly likes lamb or not (and can eat it) but our cats liked that one, too.

And people think it's easy to feed cats!
 
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Our cats also go for the liquid first with Gourmet Carnivore -- they love slurping it up! I'm not sure how keen I am for them to have the olive oil but they do well with GC.

Yes, Edwina is a big eater. And I have to be careful with her so she doesn't get physically big, too! I think a huge part of her problem is residual food insecurity from her being a rescue cat (she was absolutely scrawny when we adopted her, it was sad) but she's the one with the potato issue, too, the one who gets flatulent and vomitous easily. She also scarfs and barfs, which I attribute to the food insecurity and her stomach just not being able to handle too much at once: I had to cut Nutro Natural Choice way, way back for her because she barfed it three times in a week and a half or so. I think the minced and sliced pieces are just too easy for her to eat too fast. I've been feeding them "lite" Weruva and Soulistic foods at night instead, which seems to be just enough to keep Edwina from her bile vomiting during the night (another of her issues!). She likes but doesn't love them so doesn't hoover them down plus the calories are a little lower to keep her winter weight down.


I'm so sorry to hear Molly's having all those troubles. Has she never gone for people food before? That's Ireland's trick: she can be picky and slow eating cat food but bread has to be in a cabinet or she'll chew through the bag, grated cheese can't stay on a counter because she's a cheese shark, and the kitchen sink disposal has to be run whenever there's anything in it. I'm sure that's a remnant of their hungry kittenhood, too. I think their first ten months must have been pretty rough.

I hope you're able to find more foods with good calorie density! Tiki GC has some sort of lamb and beef or lamb and liver food, too: I don't remember if Molly likes lamb or not (and can eat it) but our cats liked that one, too.

And people think it's easy to feed cats!
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Oh! Edwina and vomiting, that can really stress her gastrointestinal system if she is vomiting as often as you say? But I'm guessing you have it under control, checked with vet, etc to rule out anything other than wolfing her food too fast.

The obsession with people food is new behavior post IBD.  She has malabsorption, the food goes right through her. She can't gain weight, keeping her weight stable has been difficult.  Anything in her path is a food source - cheese, bread, broccoli, pasta ... can't keep anything out. We can't even sit at the table any more to eat, we have to go into another room and lock the door, unless she's asleep.

She can't have lamb, she scratched her neck raw last year when I fed her Instinct LID lamb.

Thanks for the info. :)
 
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Wow, that sounds very trying with Molly, both for her and for you. IBD is so difficult. And right, I forgot about Molly and lamb.

And Edwina does very well -- meaning no vomiting for any reason and no gas or rumbling, either -- as long as she gets fed small, frequent meals and doesn't poach Ireland's food. Her recent problem was clearly that she was wolfing down her food, though I do wonder if her stomach was a bit more sensitive than usual because it wasn't very long after her plant-eating incident in early December. (Ugh. And the plants are currently caged!) The big things are keeping Edwina on the feeding schedule and feeding her things she can't eat too fast.
 
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