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My cat is incredibly weird and I'm fine with it for the most part but I just want to see what you all think of his behavior. Maybe it is benign but I want to make sure he isn't reacting to some specific ailment.

I don't know how to make this short but I'll try to keep it basic. I've had him for three years. I adopted him from a shelter who estimated he was around 5 at the time. He was raised as a housecat at some point (vets and shelter said because he was fixed and litter trained and affectionate toward people). But when he got turned in to the shelter, they estimated he had been living on the street for about 3 years. So, I think he may have some odd learned behavior from his years living as a street cat.

When he got to the shelter, they amputated most of his ears because of frostbite damage. They removed most of his teeth because they were rotten or impacted. He probably has about 3 teeth but has never seemed to have any issue chewing any kind of food. Even when he steals a dorito.

This brings me to his next "odd" behavior. He will eat literally any kind of food. Whether for cat/dog or for human. He is AGGRESSIVE about trying to steal someone's food no matter what they're eating. He ate a plate of green peppers I left out one time. He goes nuts over tortilla chips and popcorn and pizza especially. He will do anything to try to steal them.

I would love to let him have whatever food I'm eating, but I really can't. This brings us to his third "odd" aspect. He seems to have very sensitive bowels or stomach. When I adopted him, the shelter told me the only food that seemed to not give him diarrhea was Fussie Cat which is a canned grain free wet food. I bought it for a while and things were ok. But then after a couple months he gradually started getting diarrhea more and more often. I tried adding dry food into the mix (also grain free) and that gave him diarrhea every single time. The wet food was back and forth. After taking every diet suggestion I can try, ive finally settled on feeding him raw frozen food for the past six months. Specifically nature's variety frozen raw chicken or rabbit (in bites). He loves it as much as anything else, and it doesn't seem to be giving him diarrhea.

On to the next "issue." When I adopted him he used the litterbox for pooping. After about 3 months he was popping 100% of the time outside of the litter box. He has always peed in the litter box. He has not pooped in the litter box in the last almost two years. Occasionally he will accidentally get some into the box unwittingly, if it happens to come out while he's peeing or leaving the box. It seems like he doesn't recognize when he has the urge to poop (so he doesn't know to head to the litter box), it just comes out on its own. I don't think he usually realizes he's pooping until it's coming out and he feels it.

As a note: yes I scoop his litter boxes often so they are always clean, he has two in different locations, he's the only cat, he digs around a lot to cover his pee so I think he likes the kind of litter, the boxes are big enough, and he clearly doesn't mind using them since he pees in both every day with no issue.

If you're still reading this whole thing, I'm grateful. I should add other odd things about him in case any of it helps crack the case for someone. He always has an appetite. If I left food out all the time he would always eat all of it the second I put it down. His weight was healthy (11 bs from when I adopted him til recently) but in the last six months he's dropped to 8 lbs and a vet told me to up his caloric intake because he's a little on the low side now. I believe this may be because of this raw food, since i switched him to that the same time his weight seems to have dropped. I am now feeding him more of that food, four times a day instead of twice. Though the vets all say he's in excellent health, so I am baffled by why he acts this way. He doesn't have a tape worm or acid reflux or any issue like that. I've spent over $1000 on tests hoping to "crack the code."

Does anyone have any ideas on any of these issues, what they might mean, how I might fix them (or not be able to fix them), and if I can do anything to make him happier?

Another thing I should mention is any food he happens to steal before I can get it away, he gets diarrhea, just like with the dry food I tried.

To sum this up- how much of this food should I be feeding him if he is supposed to gain some weight? He will always eat 100% of what I put out, so I don't know how to find the cutoff. How can I make his poop less hard/dry without making it diarrhea? I really believe the association of hard and painful pooping is what drives him away from the litter box. I think he holds it in as long as he can until it just comes out on its own.
 
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I'm not educated enough to give you good, sound advice, but I have question that might help others: I'm assuming you did a blood test and everything was fine? The drop in weight is a little scary and the behaviour SOUNDS like diabetes. I just want to rule that out for everyone else. 
 
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Yes he tested negative for diabetes. That was among the things they ran tests on (using blood/urine/stool). They guessed diabetes or kidney issue, tapeworm, thyroid gland, etc. and nothing tested positive. Really baffling
 
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For weight comparison, the top is the day I got him (excuse the litter box my boyfriend assumed I would be bringing home a kitten... Had to exchange it lol) and the bottom picture is him right now. I still think he looks ok, but will try to help him gain weight per the vet's suggestion.
 

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Have you tried adding a probiotic to his food? FortiFlora is good and cats love it. You just sprinkle it over their wet food and they gobble it up. It contains live active cultures to promote intestinal health & balance, as well as a healthy immune system. 

As far as his aggressive eating, that could be an ingrained behavior from when he was scavenging on the streets - 'Eat what I can while I'm able because I might not find anything for a while' kind of attitude. Has he been gaining any weight since you increased his intake? You said you are feeding him 4 times a day now, but how much at each feeding? 3 to 5 ounces four times a day should be sufficient until you can determine whether or not he is gaining, maintaining or continuing to lose.

Does he drink enough water? That is essential to digestion and bowel movements. You might want to consider purchasing a stainless steel or ceramic fountain for him (or, if you or your hubby is handy, make one with a stainless bowl and an aquarium filter for much less than you can buy one).

Has your vet done an ultrasound (not just an x-ray) to rule out an intestinal obstruction or malformation? Often people think that because a cat (or human, for that matter) has a loose stool they have diarrhea when, in fact, they are constipated. If there is a blockage of some sort liquid stool will often seep around it and present itself as diarrhea. Also, if he is unable to hold his stool or is unaware of the need to go he might have some nerve damage - possibly from when he was 'in the streets' (from a fight with another animal, got hit by a car or, God forbid, a human). An ultrasound would also determine if he has megacolon which could be a result of chronic constipation. 

Regarding the aggressive eating or attempted theft of human food, try feeding him in another room while you are eating to distract him.

Pooping outside the litter box is usually a sign there is something wrong - he has associated pain with pooping and that is why he avoids the box. 

It's 2:30 in the morning here and my brain is shutting down on me (I'm also old, LOL) but I am sure others will chime in with their experience and advice. I suggest you wait to see what others have to say in the next day or two and then get your notes together and call your vet and ask what he thinks. 

I hope some of this helps. Hugs to you and your kitty. What is his name by the way? 
 
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Fyllis- thank you for the thoughtful response. I will keep the probiotics in mind. For the past week we've been feeding him a little less than three cups a day- around 20 ounces. Not sure if weight gain yet but I am making a followup appointment next week some time.

I'll also ask about the ultrasound. I remember him having one when I first adopted him, and the vet mentioned his colon (? I think) was full of stool and she had me putting Metamucil in with his food for a while. So you may be on to something there. I'm just scared of more runny poop on the carpet if I go overboard on the fiber or laxative.

As for the possible damage from his past, you're right and I forgot to include that in my post. An X-ray after I adopted him showed his end vertebrae by his tail are separated. Vet imagined this was from having his tail under something heavy, like maybe a car, and trying to run forward. It could certainly be part of his poop issues as well, since it's a nearby area.

His name is Malik :)
 

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Fyllis- thank you for the thoughtful response. I will keep the probiotics in mind. For the past week we've been feeding him a little less than three cups a day- around 20 ounces. Not sure if weight gain yet but I am making a followup appointment next week some time.

I'll also ask about the ultrasound. I remember him having one when I first adopted him, and the vet mentioned his colon (? I think) was full of stool and she had me putting Metamucil in with his food for a while. So you may be on to something there. I'm just scared of more runny poop on the carpet if I go overboard on the fiber or laxative.

As for the possible damage from his past, you're right and I forgot to include that in my post. An X-ray after I adopted him showed his end vertebrae by his tail are separated. Vet imagined this was from having his tail under something heavy, like maybe a car, and trying to run forward. It could certainly be part of his poop issues as well, since it's a nearby area.

His name is Malik
I like the name Malik. It means King (or ruler or leader). Do you have any pics to post? We LOVE pics here!!

The probiotic should help regulate his stools and keep them consistent - neither too soft nor too hard. It is not a laxitive. 

Probiotics are actually live bacteria and yeasts that keep both the 'good' and the 'bad' bacteria in the colon balanced and help with digestion. They also assist with absorption and moving the stool through the gut.  On those occasions when he 'sneaks' food he shouldn't, this could help him digest it better.

If he has damage to his vertbrae, there is a liklihood that he has some degree of nerve damage that is affecting his bowel movements and control.This is a long shot, but if there IS some type of nerve damage related to the vertebrae, you might want to consult with an acupuncturist to see what your options are. 
 
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Good thought on the probiotic. I think dairy reacts poorly with him, so I don't know about yogurt. Can I give him a probiotic supplement from a drug store? Do you know how much I would give? there's also a good cat specialty store near me, they may have some kind of cat specific probiotic supplement if such a thing exists.

On the topic of probiotics, he is on day 8 of 10 for amoxicillin. He had a minor upper respiratory infection so the vet prescribed it. He seemed fine after about a day but I'm finishing the 10 days like she said. The probiotic could help with the amoxicillin too obviously (antibiotic).

Haha, I have plenty of pics!
 

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Wonderful pictures!!!  He is beautiful!

You can purchase probiotics at most pet stores or you can get it from your vet. It's not very expensive. I just looked at my vet bill from when Keeker needed some and I got 7 packets of FortiFlora for $1.89 (US)  so it was like 27 cents per pack. That comes to about $98.55 a year, should you need to give it daily. You could order it online, but with shipping you would be paying a lot more. Check a few pet stores and with your vet and see what your best option would be. Pet stores might be a bit higher just because 'they can'. I also looked at PetSmart and didn't see a decent probiotic.

I just saw some online - 30 packs on 'sale' for $21.89. That is .72 cents a pack and that didn't include shipping!  

GNC has a digestion supplement specifically for cats really cheap... BUT it has so many additives and fillers in it like Oat Flour, Barley Flour, Rice Flour, Rye Flour, Oat Meal; not to mention Papaya and pineapple! Forget that! At this point, I would talk with your vet and get some FortiFlora probiotic.  Better price in my opinion (vets usually buy this stuff in gross amounts and can afford to sell it for a lot less) and that way both you and your vet would have record of exactly what he is taking.

And yes, dairy is NOT good for cats as they are lactose intolerant. 
 
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You could try Humaworm for pets? He might have a bug that he picked up living on the streets? Even if he tested negative for tapeworm, it made be another little invader giving him (and you) grief. He is very cute btw:) Good luck
 
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I went to the little independent cat health store near my house today, and they gave me a bunch of free samples of things they think could help. They gave me pumpkin to mix in with his food, along with raw goat's milk, which is apparently the only milk they can tolerate (besides when nursing). They said the food he's on is good so I should try supplementing with these. Anyone have experience with supplementing with these?
 
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