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@CatSnip404...it's love at first cat sight LOL...so sweet. I'll be trying that with Harley and the lil guy's intro (I still haven't named him yet lol) when that time comes.
 

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Wow!  If people were lined up, I think that's a pretty great area where you live.  People care and realize how important it is.

Yes, keep us posted on your progress!  It was cute earlier today.  After a bout of hissing (hers, not his...he has never hissed or growled at her), Julia reached out her paw, very tentatively, and touched Nero's paw.  He was laying on his stomach with his legs outstretched in front of him, and he didn't make a move at all, the whole time.  He just let her do it, even though he saw it coming.  

Earlier, when she was cowered down in the bathroom, he went and got his mousie and brought it to where she could see, and started playing with it like a lunatic, jumping in the air like a bunny.  I think he wanted to either try to entice her to play or show what a good hunter he is, or both.

I'm starting to think he's an old soul.
 
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@CatSnip404...haha! That is so awesome how their relationship is starting! It looks like Julia and Nero will be will be quite a pair :) I wonder if your other girls will react the same or has Julia already stole his heart. By the way, I've been reading the other thread that a few of you have directed me to about integrating FIV positives with negatives and it's truly opening my eyes (and helping me feel more reassured!). Catsnip404...I read your story about Arancione and it made me bawl like a baby!! I don't know if it's because Ive been emotionally (& physically) drained these past two weeks about this cat issue, but wow it was a very touching story. You did and are doing a great thing. I want to thank you @Molly92 and @catwoman707 for directing me to the other thread about FIV integrating as well. I've been reading all last night (and fell asleep reading) and have been reading all day today (whenever I can keep my 18 month old daughter busy or napping LOL). I've been reading all the material that everyone has sent me the links to. Still have a lot more to read. It's helping out so much and I am deeply appreciative.

So my little guy (still can't think of the perfect name yet...hubby and I call him "black & white kitty" or "bw" lol and he has aqua blue eyes) has been lounging in my upstairs bathroom. My Harley Quinn has spent a lot of time today at the door. She's the one in my avatar btw. She seems pretty relaxed about the whole thing so far but she has yet to actually see him. I wonder if it's the Felliway? She has been covering up her wet food bowl really good with anything she can find on the floor which has been very funny to watch. She also has been lying on me wanting to pet her while I'm sleeping twice during the night, every night lately, which she hasn't done since she was a "preteen". She's now 2 yrs old btw.

This morning when I went to check on him there was kitty litter everywhere and it had a strong cat urine odor in the air. Good thing we are planning to renovate that bathroom so any messes in that room is ok lol. I cleaned up the mess, placed the litter pan in the bathtub, and cracked the window open a bit for some fresh air. Thank fully it's pretty warm today. I sat with him for a bit chatting with him and gave him his food. He hissed at me when I first came in so I was a bit sketchy as to how he would be if I stayed in the room with him a bit. While he ate his food I attempted to touch him and immediately he became excited and started meowing and rubbing against my hand to pet him, but then suddenly he hissed and swatted at me. His claws (which we had cut at the clinic) did scratch me a bit on my hand. I respected his space and stepped back. I guess he's still not ready to trust me again...

I checked on him again this afternoon and look where he was napping:


I tried to redo the photo since this one is a bit blurry but he wasn't having it. He jumped out and went into his bed in the closet. Ok so he doesn't like paparazzi. I'm learning more and more about him lol.
 

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What a handsome little boy!!

It won't take any time at all before he is affectionate with you again.

Even using the box while in the bathroom it will smell awful until his hormones get straightened out.

Pew, that's the worst! 

Bathroom will also encourage him to become a faithful litter box user too. 

Hoping it's not carpeted in there in case!!
 

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Oh my goodness, that's wonderful progress! He is very handsome! It sounds like he's going to be very affectionate once he settles in. And Harley's reaction is so great as well. She's willing to accept him--as long as he doesn't take her food or her snuggles! What a whirlwind of a week you've had!
 
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Thanks! Still taking it day by day. It was definitely a hectic week that I felt the need to listen to one of my meditation CD's early this morning lol. This in partnered with praying of course.

The strong odor is still there. Wow it's over powering. Do you think it will be bad for him if I put an air wick diffuser in the room with him? I don't want him to be breathing anything harmful if I shouldn't.  No carpet in the bathroom, just tile (thank goodness).  He meowed at me and rolled onto his back showing me his tummy but I'm still kind of nervous of his reaction so I did not attempt to touch him. While I was in the bathroom with him, he started sniffing under the closed door because Harley was sniffing on the other side. He began to do a deep meow/ groan...almost like a mating call?! It did not sound malicious though.

I've still been on the internet researching. I called up a full service vet to get him a full checkup and his 2nd round of distemper in a couple of weeks. The nice lady I chatted with also has an FIV + cat that lives with her and her 8 negative cats. Talking to her was also reassuring as she said he has lived with them for 9 years and so far no transmission.

I also emailed 3 local TNR groups about the other cats outside. I will report back with any updates :)
 

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I tried to redo the photo since this one is a bit blurry but he wasn't having it. He jumped out and went into his bed in the closet. Ok so he doesn't like paparazzi. I'm learning more and more about him lol.
Love this picture!  It sounds like you are doing everything right and are getting great advice. It's been kind of scary for me too  mixing an FIV+ and FIV-, but I have hope that it will work out. Mine seem to be doing okay together. Each day is a step forward.
 
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@Chaucer...Thank you! It really helps to know I am not alone in this and that someone in the world is going through the same situation at the same time. Keeping my fingers crossed for both our "little" guys!

I went back into the bathroom to spend some time with BW kitty again, armed with some treats. One problem I have is that the bathroom is not that big so I kind of feel like I'm scaring him every time I sit in the room since he has no place to really escape too. I have a linen closet in the bathroom and cleared out the bottom which I laid out a few blankets for him to sleep on. That's the only place he can go to kind of hide, although the door to the closet sits halfway open. I sit on the toilet and he comes out of the linen closet still cautious of me. He started rubbing against my legs but I was too nervous to pet him after he had swatted at me yesterday.

I started giving him some treats which I placed on the floor and the second time I was giving him the treats he hissed again and swatted at my hand! Then he heard someone walking past the closed bathroom door and made a growling sound. Not sure how to decipher this correctly, I'm guessing he's still scared and nervous of his surroundings or is he being territorial of the bathroom? I'm going to go in there again around dinner time but I have to admit, I feel kind of nervous going in there in such tight space. I'm scared he might jump at me or attack my legs with the way he's been acting lately. He also hasn't really been eating all of his wet food which isn't good because it has his deworming medication in it!

From reading other threads I'm thinking it's a good idea to build my relationship with him first before I introduce him to Harley...

Good news, one of the TNR groups replied back to me offering to help! I'm so relieved...but also can't help wondering what to do with the female kitty (I call her Grey...as in Jean Grey from Xmen lol) if she is pregnant.
 

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If you question whether she is prego or not, then she is not very far along. So unless the rescue is willing to take the kittens and get them fostered, fixed and adopted, it will be up to you, and it sounds like you have your hands full of cat issues inside and out right now as it is.

Just my personal opinion though. I used to struggle with this decision very much, but over the years, despite how I still don't like to do it and it always bothers me some, I 'get it' now, and do what must be done.

For every kitten born, another dies, simply due to a lack of enough homes for them all.

BW kitty won't actually attack you out of fear, but if the bathroom is big enough to sit down on the floor, try this. The less towering you are the less scary you will be for him.

I bet if you held treats in your hand and just set your hand down, he will come get them.

Don't try petting him, it's too soon, he's too stressed and everything is so new still, let him show you when he is ready :)
 

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Definitely build trust first before introducing him to Harley.  He's just scared right now. Give him some time. My big male used to swat at me when I tried to hand-feed him when he was still an outside cat. I was also nervous each time he rubbed against my legs, particularly before I was able to catch him and have him vaccinated.
 

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I forgot to add that I took in a pregnant cat, but I'd been feeding her outside for several months. I didn't have a problem with her, other than my resident cat was wanting to play and she didn't like that. She was about 5 weeks along when I brought her in and did have the kittens - five of them- 4 weeks later. They were all adopted when they were 3 and 4 months old. It was an experience, but I did have the space for them in my storage room.
 

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Do you have any cardboard boxes? You can set one up on the counter and create a little cave he can hid in by draping a towel over the opening or shut it completely and cut open a couple of holes.

He's probably very anxious about what you plan to do to him next, where he is, etc, and also he smells Harley and doesn't know what to make of her, either. He'll get used to this over time. He won't do any real damage to you if you respect his warnings, but you can wear gloves when you have to go near him for now to feel safer. I know it's a little frightening no matter what you tell yourself! But both of you will get comfortable with each other again over time (and now you can empathize a little bit with how he has to overcome his fears as well, I suppose!)

I use human baby food to disguise medicine. Chicken or turkey, Gerber or Beechnut brands in the little jars are great for this. It's usually a big hit. You can also feed this to him as a treat on the end of a wand or spoon. He has to lick it off rather than bite it and run off with it, so it kind of helps if there's any food aggression, and when you're comfortable you can have him lick it off your fingers to help him bond with you.
 

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He is just gorgeous!  Love the eyes, especially with his coat!  Trying to think of names of some gorgeous actors in a tux with blue eyes....lol!  Julia is named after Julia Childs because she begs when I'm cooking worse than any dog I've ever had.

Fantastic updates!!  Yes, it just sounds like he's just being "defensive" rather than "aggressive".  But I understand how you feel.  There were times in the first few weeks that I was much more afraid of Nero for the same reason.  And it seems that the more nervous I was, the more nervous he reacted.  LOL!  So no need to rush it, just maybe sit cross-legged on the floor and let him rub on your knees for a few days or a week or so, however long until you feel more comfortable.  Then maybe sometime just have your hand already covering a knee, etc.

I think @Molly92  's suggestion is a good one about having a box on the counter.  Cats feel safer up higher.  I got a cheap cat tree from Walmart that works like a spring-loaded shower pole from floor to ceiling and put it near a window and he likes to look out there.

I'm not sure about air fresheners in that small of an enclosed space with him.  I'm not a vet, but I have seen cautions about cleaning products, etc, and I'm sure their sense of smell is stronger than ours, so it might be overpowering in a different way.  I would maybe ask your vet tech.  Otherwise, is there an exhaust fan in the bathroom?

Speaking of the window, it sounds like you only had it open a little bit, but be careful to remember to shut it while you're not in there.  He might be able to push it open just enough to get at the screen and perhaps beyond.  I was traveling 18 hours once with my cats and stopped overnight.  I had to leave the cats in my vehicle but I put a litter box out and food and water, and cracked one of the windows just a little bit--certainly not enough for any to escape, or so I thought.  Well the next morning Martha was gone.  Thank God I found her out under a bush.  I still can't fathom how she managed it but when there's a will, there's a way.

I've given Nero capsules in a little bit of wet food.  It might take a try or two until the pill is gone, and then I give him the rest of his food.  Another suggestion is pill pockets.  If it's a liquid, then Molly's suggestion of baby food (with no onions or garlic in it--not good for cats) sounds like it would work.  Or perhaps a little bit of tuna pureed with a little bit of the juice?

Sounds like things are slowly coming together!  So glad!  And with an 18-month-old, I bet it's been stressful!  XD

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Hi @HarleyQ143

I was just wondering how things are going with your new boy?

One thing I forgot to mention about my experience with Nero, is that when he's feeling a bit anxious/afraid, he licks his top lip much in the way a dog would.  I never knew cats did this until him but I read up on it.  Just sharing in case that's news to you.  So if I see him doing this, I move even more slowly, reassure him in a soft voice, give him a slow eye blink and avoid staring at him, etc.  This has helped him not get to a point where he feels he needs to react with a fearful swat and has helped build his trust in me.  Just sharing in case it helps any.
 
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Good morning! So sorry I haven't been replying lately, my daughter wasn't feeling well and it felt like I briefly caught her bug too. So my apologies if this posting is long...

@catwoman707 and @Chaucer...thank you for your advice, I've been trying to get myself to sit on the floor these past few days but change my mind each time. He comes up to me and rubs on my legs like crazy but because of his sudden hissing and swatting, I've been too nervous to get my face close to him and even pet him. So I've been squatting as low as I comfortably feel while I talk to him but when I feel like he's getting to close to my face I react and sit back down on the toilet. I'm going to try giving him his treats from my hand today. I've been wearing gloves and thick clothes when I go in the room so I feel more confident and in charge.

The TNR group has not responded back to me yet. They asked for my address and number but I haven't heard anything from them since. I'm also very worried because I have not seen "OG" cat in a week. The last time he disappeared this long was a couple of weeks ago and he reappeared with that bad gash on his face. I have no idea where he is and can't help thinking the worst. Grey (the female cat) has been showing up every day to eat and I've noticed that she's been eating more than usual. And one of the cats that only comes out at night appeared during the day yesterday in my backyard with Grey. He's been the only cat that sometimes uses the outdoor shelters I made lol. And he uses the one with the heated pad. Ive been trying to get Grey to use the shelters since Dec. but nothing has worked. I wonder if it's because the boy cats have been spraying them lol.
 For every kitten born, another dies, simply due to a lack of enough homes for them all.
I get this, it's hard to swallow and makes my stomach hurt thinking about it but I get it.

@Molly92...thank you, great advice! I want to try the baby food because the tuna, sardines, and even some pieces of chicken does not seem to work with this cat since I've tried offering it to him but he did not touch it. Too bad my daughter is past the baby food stage or else I'd have it readily available in my cupboard lol. But I'm going to pick a jar up today. I've been reading the "Socialization" article you sent me on the "Best Friends" website. Since I didn't have any baby food available, I got a stick and wrapped a sock at the end of it and started petting him with it. He was loving the petting so much. He was rubbing against the cloth like crazy and even rubbing up against my legs and hopping up to my arms trying to rub on them too. That has been going on these past 2 days. Last night I was dying to pet him with my gloved hands but couldn't get myself to do it. He did hiss and strike once last night...I still can't predict why and when he does this. He was rubbing against the stick like crazy and then hissed and strikes all of a sudden. Which is probably why I've been nervous to touch him, I can't predict his next move. Btw, the sock I used yesterday was rubbed all over Harley and when I presented it to him, he started rubbing up against it right away. I hope this is a good sign. I put a box on the counter and he seemed to avoid it so I took it out. I also gave him 2 toys, one of which he loves and sleeps with it in his "bed". It's like his first

true thing that he owns :)

@CatSnip404...thank you for asking for an update and for the great advice!
 He is just gorgeous!  Love the eyes, especially with his coat!  Trying to think of names of some gorgeous actors in a tux with blue eyes....lol!  Julia is named after Julia Childs because she begs when I'm cooking worse than any dog I've ever had.
Haha! Actors in tuxes, that's a great idea. We've been coming up with a few names and I've been trying them out on him, seeing which one fits. Nothing yet so far. I love the name Julia btw, perfect name for a cat that loves home cooking :)

I like the idea of the cat tree and debating whether I should get him one. We have a huge one in my living room by a window that Harley loves. I feel so bad that he's locked in the bathroom all day with not much to do. The window in the bathroom is small and high above the tub with no ledge so he can't reach it and can't look out the window.
 Speaking of the window, it sounds like you only had it open a little bit, but be careful to remember to shut it while you're not in there.  He might be able to push it open just enough to get at the screen and perhaps beyond.  I was traveling 18 hours once with my cats and stopped overnight.  I had to leave the cats in my vehicle but I put a litter box out and food and water, and cracked one of the windows just a little bit--certainly not enough for any to escape, or so I thought.  Well the next morning Martha was gone.  Thank God I found her out under a bush.  I still can't fathom how she managed it but when there's a will, there's a way.
OMG! That must have been so scary for you and thank you for the warning so I know to be cautious of this. We've traveled with Harley plenty of times and I'm just thinking about how scared I'd be if she got loose. Thank God Martha stayed close for you to find her, poor girl!

Pill pockets, great idea I dd not know they existed. Are you giving any vitamins or added supplements to Nero (or anyone out there with an FIV cat?) I've been reading up on that too, about the different things you can add to his diet like Omega 3 and Lysine...@Chaucer did you give any added vitamins to your cat when she was pregnant? I know I haven't decided what to do with Grey but with any decision I make, I'd still like her to be as healthy as I can help her to be in her condition.

It's about time for my morning visit with the little guy. I can hear him meowing in the bathroom. So today I'm going to try sitting on the floor and feeding him treats with my gloved hand. I'm also going to attempt to pet him with my gloved hand today and see how he reacts. I'll keep a look out for his lip licking, I did notice he does this but it happens after he eats.  Btw, I was wondering how long and how many times should I interact with him during the day? I've been spending about 30 to 40 minutes in there every morning and night before bedtime. And then briefly about 1 to 2 times during the afternoon. Is this enough? My hubby visits him briefly during the day too. When I'm in there at night I sing or hum to him softly and he'll lie down closing his eyes like he's about to fall asleep. I can't wait till I can take him out of the room, I feel so bad he's stuck in there...

...and yes, with an 18month old, very stressful LOL! It took me about 2 1/2 to 3 hours just to type this post because she demanded mommy's attention. Hope everyone has a happy Sunday -or- Superbowl Sunday :)
 
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He seems very loving and affectionate, and wants it badly from you. 

His random swatting is sort of like when he is letting his guard down and getting in to the interactions then suddenly realizes he is still reserved and not confident yet and will swat.

This will fade soon actually.

When you go to pet him, rather than going up over his head start from under his chin, let him smell and then go around to his back and neck area, much less intimidating.

If your gloves are more than say, knit winter gloves they might be intimidating too. Prolonged eye contact is intimidating, you can look at him but instinctively staring or locking eyes is what predators do.

Later on down the road once trust is there it's fine though.

Singing or humming is always good! Or talking out loud, reading, it's all great.

Regarding OG's absence, one thing that makes this happen is when they get in to a fight and are hurting, they will sort of go in to hiding rather than show others a weakness.

Need some serious TNR'ing to happen around there, some bullies for sure.

Someone is spreading FIV too.
 
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Great update! I agree the swatting and hissing is probably because he's still cautious, but he's such a lovebug he can't help but want lots of petting in between reminding you that he does NOT want to be taken to the vet again! But when time goes by and all you do is pet him and feed him, he'll trust that you don't mean him any harm. It also could be that he gets overstimulated from the petting sometimes, in which case you'll learn what sets him off and what his body language is like before he lashes out so you'll be able to predict when he's had enough and you can stop before he does.

That he loved the Harley sock is indeed a great sign! Cats are extremely sensitive to scent, so he definitely knew it was Harley and was not intimidated by it at all.

As for how long to spend with him, it sounds just fine how you're doing it. I think it's better to cut a visit short and leave on a good note before he gets overwhelmed if you can, but really whatever fits best with your schedule is fine. Routine is probably the most important to making a cat feel comfortable.

If he's only licking his lips after he's eating, that's probably not a sign of stress. My cat does that after she eats, too.

Ok, so supplements: I had been giving my cat lysine everyday until I read this: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/309898/supplementing-with-lysine-not-recommended-for-herpes-kitties

I was really surprised! So many people swear by lysine and we'd give it to all the shelter kitties. But the science is pretty solid that there's no evidence it helps at all, and at the risk of depleting her arginine levels, I stopped giving it to her. My vet hasn't recommended any other supplements so I haven't given them to my FIV + kitty yet, but I'm looking into things. There are a lot of options. I think the most important thing is to feed as healthy a diet as possible first of all, so high in animal protein, low in carbs, etc. I'm currently feeding Holistic Select canned, and I add some Miralax and slippery elm powder for her constipation issues, and also a generous amount of extra water because she absolutely will not drink any water unless she has to to get to her food. I've been looking at this thread: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/259351/how-i-am-treating-chumleys-fiv for information on what supplements to give to asymptomatic FIV cats. It's a bit dense, and I'm still trying to make sense of it myself.  I'm also still trying to perfect the ratio of constipation remedies, so I haven't tried any of the supplements listed yet. It seems lactoferrin especially is great for reducing viral symptoms, so I'll probably start with that eventually. 

I hope the TNR group shows up soon! You can feed the pregnant cat kitten food which gives her extra calories and nutrients.
 

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He seems very loving and affectionate, and wants it badly from you. 

His random swatting is sort of like when he is letting his guard down and getting in to the interactions then suddenly realizes he is still reserved and not confident yet and will swat.

This will fade soon actually.
I experienced the same exact thing with Nero in the beginning.  And that made me very nervous to deal with him, so I totally understand.  In fact, I even mentioned it to my vet, that Nero seemed to pick up on my nervousness, and it's like a catch-22.  I'm nervous, he reacts because he's nervous and sees that I'm nervous, and that makes me more nervous, etc.  I didn't know how to get over the hump.  My vet's advice was, it's not about how you feel, it's how you act.  Probably good advice for many things in life.

So I did my best to act more confidently, even though I was nervous.  And to be brutally honest, the biggest strides were made on the evenings I had some wine or whatever.  The first time I picked him up and plopped him on the bed was because I was ready to go to bed and he was darting back and forth in front of my legs, making it hard for me to move across the room without kicking him by accident.  Wine that night.  And you know what? It was a non-event.  He didn't freak on me.  So, the next morning, I did it again, for no other reason than to see if I could.  And I did, picked him up and plopped him on the bed, and he was cool with it, and I was floored.

So as terrible as this sounds, maybe try a shot of brandy before you go in, just so that you are more relaxed.  I KNOW that sounds so terrible, and I bet there are posters that will scorn and judge me for it.  But it's a quick way to feeling relaxed.  I don't mean get drunk.  Just something that takes the edge off of yourself.  And once you get over the hump, it's no longer necessary.  I'm ashamed to be suggesting it, but in hindsight, those were the times I made the most progress, when I was able to just not be controlled by anxiety about the situation.  That gave me confidence to try the same thing the next day and gain confidence overall.
When you go to pet him, rather than going up over his head start from under his chin, let him smell and then go around to his back and neck area, much less intimidating.

If your gloves are more than say, knit winter gloves they might be intimidating too. Prolonged eye contact is intimidating, you can look at him but instinctively staring or locking eyes is what predators do.

Later on down the road once trust is there it's fine though.
Early on, I tried heavy gloves too and it seemed to make him more nervous.

Even now, and only once in a while, he will come to me for attention, rub on me, and I'll reach down and pet him, and after a few strokes, he might duck his back down, trot off a few steps and look back at me with big eyes.  BUT he no longer swats as he does so.  And as soon as I coo to him, "What's the matter?" and hold a hand down LOW for him to approach it, he's good again and runs right back for more.  It never happens when I'm laying in bed--it's always when I'm towering above him.  So now I hang a hand down and let him approach my hand and wait for him to rub against it or acknowledge it in some way, like arching his back, anytime I am signaling him that I would like to pet him.

One adjustment that I made, is that I don't try to pet his head when I'm standing.  For one, it's an awkward angle for my hand and might feel different to him and he seems to be reactive to that.  So if I'm standing I only pet his back and often use both hands to stroke along his sides, avoiding his head.

Now that Nero's out and about in the house, if I walk fast, he ducks for cover, running off, until I talk to him.  And if he doesn't like something I'm doing I'll get a quick, hard "bap" of his paw, with no claws, and a hiss.  He's just telling me he doesn't like whatever I'm doing.  I think even this too will probably fade in time.  

I know, with some time, your love bug is going to feel safe with you too.  That's the key, time and patience.

I'm so glad you are willing to give this sweet boy the opportunity to show his true colors.  Of all of the ferals I brought in, Nero was the only one labelled "fractious", "mean". "vicious", "the bad one", etc by the spay/neuter place, and they advised me to take extreme caution in caring for him, and in no uncertain terms to definitely NOT let him out in my house, as I would never be able to get him back.  These are people that deal with cats all week long.  My heart was in my throat after I heard that.  But....in time....he proved them wrong.  He's a sweet, gentle boy that just wants to be loved but is a little afraid.
 
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About the eye contact, what seems to work in general, is to do what cats do, look at them, squeeze your eyelids together, maybe do it a second time, but on the third, turn your head and look away, like nothing's a big deal, and don't look at them at all.  As if you couldn't be the least interested.

Maybe look back and squeeze your eyelids again. Then slowly look away again and do another blink.

This works for the cats that come up on my porch when I'm trying to slowly bring them into the fold.  It opens the door to more contact.
 

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A good idea for a hiding spot: Place a cat carrier with a soft bed in the bathroom with him (if space is a problem, maybe you can put it in the linnen closet!). This way he gets used to it and when you have to take him to the vet, it´s a lot easier on you and him. People always wonder why cats don´t want to go in a carrier, and of course they don´t, if you pull the carrier out only to see the vet. So make it a piece of furniture for him. Tie the door open or take it out, so it can´t accidently close on him.
 
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