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Will animal testing ever end?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Will animal testing ever end? I am not a huge PETA person or anything, but I have just started to try to educate myself on things that happen with companies like Procter and Gamble. I just saw the most disturbing footage on peta.org and I am outraged. I understand that some testing is important to save humans from horrible diseases, but there were all of these beagle does in a room with woulds the size of my head and they couldn't get up. There was also one on a table cut open...I don't know it if was dead or not...but the rest were on the floor awaiting their fate.

I just feel like I shouldn't ignore what I don't want to believe anymore. I know a lot of people, maybe even on this site, don't take a stand in animal testing...but if you educate yourselves...I swear you will be disgusted to see what is going on and what we have been supporting our entire lives by purchasing these cosmetics and foods and such!

I am just SO upset...
post #2 of 16
Please understand that PETA's agenda is to inflame and create emotional responses. They at times have been found to not stop atrocities that were going on in order to gain the footage they needed on film! I have very little respect for PETA at this point in my life. I used to respect what they did, until I started doing research into their organization.

I do not agree with animal testing, however some of it is necessary and done under the right conditions, will keep our pets safe should they ever ingest, or come into contact with human products. Taking that out of the equation opens our pets up to more harm by our products than ever before. But again, some animal testing is cruel and goes beyond comprehension.
post #3 of 16
I always get these things from PETA, and one of the stickers I get says:

Unseen they suffer
Unheard they cry
In agony they linger
In loneliness they die

It breaks my heart everytime I read it.
post #4 of 16
I am not sure where I stand on animal testing in general...however...I chose not to buy beauty products from companies who test or use animal ingredients because IMHO, it is unnecessary. There are some really great brands that I can offer names of, just PM me. As for your original question. No, I don't think it will ever end because there will always be people who (knowingly or unknowingly) buy products that are tested on animals. As for other testing (ie. medical), I don't know where I stand.
post #5 of 16
I am against animal testing. I don't believe that putting hair dye into a rabbits eye is a humane way of testing on animals. Some companies like Science Diet, stopped testing on animals. Instead they test their stools. That is a MUCH more humane way of doing it.

When I found out IAMS was made by Procter & Gamble, it shocked me. Some of my favorite shampoos are made by them. I don't buy them anymore. I don't want to support their sick expirements. Everytime I go into a pet store out here, a salesperson will come up to me and warn me not to buy IAMS. Why support them? For every kibble of IAMS made, a cat, kitten, puppy or dog has been killed.

They will take a cat, feed it so much that eventually he is morbidly obese. They will tehn starve the poor thing to death. Why? They want to see how well their weight management food works.

IMO, companies that test on animals in a non-humane way should be ashamed of themselves!
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
The images I saw earlier have been haunting me all day. They brutally wounded a large group of beagles, and fed them a skin and coat formula of food to see if it would heal them quicker. The people's faces were blacked out and I couldn't help but think, "How could you possibly be apart of this? How can you call this your job and get paid to torture animals that need so much love and attention?"
Another study showed them pumping shampoo into the stomachs of guinea pigs and rabbits. Most people assume that all animal testing is for a reason...to help people overcome diseases and stuff...but this was seriously disturbing and uncalled for. I broke out into tears a few times today. I am afraid to buy anything. Is it only proctor and gamble I should look out for?

Sometimes I am so dissapointed in the world...
post #7 of 16
I mentioned in an earlier thread how in November, i will be going to 'The Supreme Cat Show' here in the UK, where IAMS have a stand.

If there are any questions anyone would like answered by IAMS, i will be only too happy to ask them face to face, because i know i have a few to put to them!. Just e-mail them to my private address which can be found on my profile.

I've always said, use convicted criminals to do the horrendous experiments on, not innocent animals!!!!

post #8 of 16
I am against anything that involves making animals suffer.
post #9 of 16
I'm sorry but I dont believe in animal testing. A rabbits eyes are not like mine, they dont have tear ducts so why spray hairspray at them! Also cats are allergic to asprin so why test on them. Rats give multiple births when the drug thelidamide was tested on them but look what it did to human births. I have not bought animal tested goods for over 25 years - difficult then, yucky coloured lipstick etc but the options are so great now. Also Army testing of gunshot wounds is also a no no for me. You get shot, it leaves a bl***dy big hole and you dress it,you live or you die it is a simple as that in my view, why shoots animals to see how bad it can get? Dont even get me started on harvesting pigs for their organs
post #10 of 16
I have no problem with useful medical research, as long as the animals are kept humanely. Without animal research, most of the medical treatments, that we take for granted would never have come about. A lot of the research helps the animals, too.

If Louis Pasteur had not sacrificed a large number of rabbits, for their spinal cords, we would not have the rabies vaccine that protects our pets. Research into feline leukemia and AIDS is applicable to both humans and cats. The first heart transplant was done on a dog. Prior to synthetic insulin, it was made from pig pancreases. That insulin gave me several more years, with my grandmother. Many vaccines were made from horse serum. Pig skin is used in temporay skin grafts, until enough skin can be grown in vitro, to treat burn victims.

I have toured the animal labs, at the U of A medical school. They are clean and the animals have roomy cages, are well-fed and are not allowed to suffer. Many people take their cancer-stricken pets there, because the experimental treatments may save the pet's life AND provide valuable research into human cancer.

PETA takes the stance that animals are more important than people. Without people, many animals would lead short, miserable existences. Great strides, in animal and human health have been made, by these researchers. Remember that, when you take Fluffy or Fido in for his/her shots. Look at your healthy children, who are NOT going to die from diphtheria, tetanus or whooping cough because somebody did animal research and developed vaccines for those diseases.
post #11 of 16
I personally am very against any animal testing that causes pain or anything like that. Lately I have heard of a problem at a college by me called UC Davis. They woulc buy dogs so they could practice surgery on them! I think this is horrible, many people donate their bodies to practices like this for when they are deceased, how come they have to do it on dogs as well?!?

I to have stopped buying Iams foods, just in case it is true, I do not want to help them out. I am glad to see that Science Diet is ok. Anyone know about Nutro? Or Purina? If someone knows if they test or not please let me know.
post #12 of 16
Animals are more important than people. I've never seen an animal attack and kill an old lady just to steal her miserable pension. Nor do they violate children. I'm totally against any form of animal experimentation. I dont use the kind of medicine that has been used in animal experiments. I use natural stuff and believe that if I'm ill and meant to get better, I'll get better!!! On saying that, I'm not vegetarian - we buy organic humanely reared meat where the animals live free lives. But I would agree that PETA do seem to target the emotions!
post #13 of 16
I HATE peta, Peta does not spend enough time focusing on the real issues. They do a bunch of stupid stuff and they once in awhile try to do something that is meaningful. People do NOT need to see the pictures to understand what is being done. I do not like animal testing but in some cases it is needed.
I always thought they should test on death row that have done horrible things...that would make a whole lot more sense.
post #14 of 16
I don't like animal testing either but in some cases like katl8e said it was nessesary to have it. Look at whats been done with it.

And I hate Peta. They are nothing but a group of hateful people. They meight mean well but there just awful, imho.
post #15 of 16
I think Cindy has already done a very good job of expressing my opinion, too. Chixyb mentioned the UC Davis. I once lost a beloved 7-year-old Siamese to kidney disease. The only thing that could have saved her was a kidney transplant, which was unavailable here at the time. In 1987, UC Davis became the pioneer in feline kidney transplants, and I'm sure that was only possible because of experimentation on live animals, i.e., animal testing. As a pet owner, I obviously must have mixed emotions about it.
As to Peta: When I first read Peta's report about Iams last spring, I was also horrified, especially because Eukanuba is one of the foods I give JC, and wrote to Iams. This is the reply I got:

On behalf of Iams president, Jeffrey P. Ansell, thank you for sharing your feelings with us. I’m glad you wrote because it gives me the chance to update you on the events that inspired your message.

On March 25, we learned that nutritional studies being conducted for us at an independent facility in the U.S. may have violated our company’s strict research policy. On March 26, we completed an unannounced visit of the facility to review procedures and ensure the well-being of dogs and cats at the site. Then on March 27, we made the decision to end all research activities with this facility.

We moved quickly following the visit to the research facility. Although the facility recently passed government inspections (USDA, FDA and the Association for the Assessment and Accreditation of Laboratory Animal Care), it did not meet our high standards for dog and cat care. As Jeff Ansell has stated, “We believe our research policy represents industry-leading standards of care. These standards are high and they must be met.â€

We worked with the facility to relocate 19 metabolism study dogs to an Iams-owned facility where they will be well cared for and placed in our pet adoption program. In addition, we have launched a full and immediate review of all independent research facilities used by Iams for our pet nutrition studies.

We conduct and sponsor research designed to advance scientific understanding of how superior nutrition can enhance pet health and well-being. We only conduct research with dogs and cats that is equivalent to nutritional or medical studies acceptable on people. We make our decisions based on the well-being of the dogs and cats, and based on compliance with our research policy.

If you would like to read about our research policy in more detail, it is posted on our website at: http://www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq...&pagetypeid=FQ (or go to www.iamsco.com and access this document through the horizontal navigation bar by clicking onto News/Stories.)

We are deeply committed to dog and cat well-being and our research policy reflects that.

Thank you again for contacting us with your feedback, and for giving us the opportunity to respond. I hope our actions detailed in this message have convinced you that we are worthy of your trust. If you have further questions or concerns, please write back to me. We will also be updating the information on our company web site at www.iamsco.com, when we have more to report.


Cindy Achor

Group Manager

Iams Consumer Care
post #16 of 16
I used to like PETA but then I saw a show with this man & his wife on. The man had been in a terrible accident involving a shark and it took off his arm or leg. PETA then put up a sign in the town that had a shark and said something about sharks attacking people and it being the people's fault. That might be true in some cases, but it's like they were targeting this guy who had such a horrible experience!

Then they had a spokesman come on the show to stick up for PETA and this guy was the scrawniest, palest, sickest looking person I've ever seen. I kept thinking why in the world did they send THIS guy? I was a vegetarian at the time and I kept thinking that the guy was unprepared, didn't have much knowledge about vegetarianism at all, and was just stupid. He had no good answer for any of their questions and all he did the whole time was try to convice the audience not to eat animals - which they were VERY unresponsive to b/c he was being a jerk.

So I quit supporting PETA, but I do think they do a lot of good as well.

As for animal testing, I view all sentient life as equal. I would be appalled if they experimented on children just as I'm sickened they do it on animals. I wouldn't send off my cat to be sacrificed so other animals could live. I'd volunteer myself before I gave permission to hurt something that can't give consent or speak for itself.
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