What is on your wet food rotation list?

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I wouldn't heat up raw, but yes you can mix canned with raw. The best way to entice them to eat raw is to crush up some treats on top. I have a huge stash of treats i put on top to entice my cats to eat. How long you leave it out for depends, really. I feel comfortable leaving raw out for a few hours, especially in the wintertime, but if you heat it up (which again, I don't suggest because it promotes bacteria growth) i would not leave it out for very long at all. 

What about the Merrick LID? I feed both the chicken and turkey and I think they're excellent quality. They're both pate, but the chicken is a little more of a juicy pate than the turkey. 
Ghibli tried Merrick LID today and loved it. I also bought a can of Merrick Perfect Bistro beef (it said it was grain free and ingredients looked good to my knowledge). Just curious but it Perfect Bistro not good? I noticed that carageenan was the only difference. Is there serious evidence that carageenan is harmful to cats?
 
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Ok so I researched carageenan and it seems that there is some evidence it can be harmful. Is this just an everything in  moderation kind of thing or should I completely steer clear of it?
 

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don't i have to keep the radcat in the fridge? she won't touch cold food. if i leave it out to get to room temp, is that okay?
I think you can warm it up a little with warm water, like, put the food in a baggie and let it sit in warm water for a bit.  
 

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Ok so I researched carageenan and it seems that there is some evidence it can be harmful. Is this just an everything in  moderation kind of thing or should I completely steer clear of it?
Everybody has different opinions about this.  I think the consensus is, whatever you feel comfortable with.  I personally don't worry about it too much since everything is harmful somehow anyways (not sure if this is a great life philosophy). Like, bacon causes cancer and so does the red food dye in hot cheetos.  
 

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Ghibli tried Merrick LID today and loved it. I also bought a can of Merrick Perfect Bistro beef (it said it was grain free and ingredients looked good to my knowledge). Just curious but it Perfect Bistro not good? I noticed that carageenan was the only difference. Is there serious evidence that carageenan is harmful to cats?
I think Purrfect Bistro is decent too, my cats just don't really like it. As far as carageenan it just really depends on how you feel about it. i don't actively avoid it, I just happen to feed a lot of high quality foods that don't contain it. There is evidence it's not good for cats, but i think if you feed some foods with it in rotation it's okay. 
 

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don't i have to keep the radcat in the fridge? she won't touch cold food. if i leave it out to get to room temp, is that okay?
You sort of have to train them to eat cold food, I think. Your best weapon is to put treats on top to entice her to eat. 
 

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Everybody has different opinions about this.  I think the consensus is, whatever you feel comfortable with.  I personally don't worry about it too much since everything is harmful somehow anyways (not sure if this is a great life philosophy). Like, bacon causes cancer and so does the red food dye in hot cheetos.  
Yep!

I just do the best that I can and try not to worry about the rest.
 
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Everybody has different opinions about this.  I think the consensus is, whatever you feel comfortable with.  I personally don't worry about it too much since everything is harmful somehow anyways (not sure if this is a great life philosophy). Like, bacon causes cancer and so does the red food dye in hot cheetos.  
I agree!
 

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Ok so I researched carageenan and it seems that there is some evidence it can be harmful. Is this just an everything in  moderation kind of thing or should I completely steer clear of it?
I don't feed carrageenan, both because of research that indicates it could be harmful and because our cats tend to have some minor digestive sensitivities/issues anyway (apparently Siamese mixes are especially prone to them) so I don't want to make anything worse. Some cats are sensitive to carrageenan: I've noticed that some TCS members say it seems to have caused or irritated IBD in their cats. That said, I do give the cats a very occasional (less than once a month) can of Wellness Core kitten food as a treat. I wouldn't feed it regularly because, personally, I just don't feel comfortable with carrageenan, either for cats or humans. I've cut the carrageenan out of our human diet, too: it's nearly ubiquitous in foods like ice cream and sour cream but there are brands that don't have it. Like Häagen-Dazs!
 

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Ok so I researched carageenan and it seems that there is some evidence it can be harmful. Is this just an everything in  moderation kind of thing or should I completely steer clear of it?
I think the research points out fairly consistently that it can be harmful for cats. That being said, it's in so many cat foods, and there aren't really any perfect canned cat foods so there will probably be something potentially harmful in anything you feed. One of the huge upsides of feeding a rotation is hopefully we minimize any bad effects of one ingredient/brand.

Some companies are getting rid of it and replacing it with Gums, Agar-Agar, other thickeners, etc. But I don't know if there's enough research on the safety of these substitutes in the long term.

We chose to avoid Carrageenan completely bc one of kitties has tummy issues that we believe are related to it. If she didn't, we probably wouldn't avoid it completely, but rather minimize it.
 

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I've cut the carrageenan out of our human diet, too: it's nearly ubiquitous in foods like ice cream and sour cream but there are brands that don't have it. Like Häagen-Dazs!
We're trying to do the same, no more Ben & Jerry's :( 

Will have to find some Haagen-Dazs :)
 
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We're trying to do the same, no more Ben & Jerry's :( 

Will have to find some Haagen-Dazs :)
The Haagen-Dazs chocolate peanut butter is my favorite, it's so delicious! The Whole Foods store brand ice cream isn't bad. And gelato is also generally carrageenan-free. (And often a little lower in calories than ice cream!)

I agree with your points about carrageenan for cats, too, particularly that feeding a variety of foods can help limit the possibility of an ingredient like carrageenan causing problems. I wish the manufacturers would get rid of all the gums and goos they use to thicken foods and give them nicer consistencies: they can be problematic in lots of ways and our cats gladly eat Tiki Cat, which just has "consomme," something that sounds a lot swankier than guar gum!
 

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Wow I've never seen such variety!  Now I'm concerned, after I read someone else say they avoid clay, about the Montmorillonite Clay in Nature's Variety Instinct.  I think they must have put a bit too much of it in that one can that looked sorta gray.

I've heard that it's best to avoid chicken/fish/beef if you have a kitty who seems to have allergies.  That sure doesn't leave a lot of variety.  Is this what y'all have heard too?
 

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I thought carageenan was carcinogenic. I know a lot of things are carcinogenic, but I would prefer that those things aren't unnecessary or can be avoided things. And I thought it had to do with the pH of the cat's stomach.... I'd have to find where I got that information in order to confirm it.

And the clay. I understand it can be great for the skin. But so is clay from the Dead Sea--and I'm not eating that. Clay is generally good for one's skin. I just don't see how ingesting it on a regular and consistent basis can be healthy in the long run.

I don't get agar agar. I think it's red sea algae.

Oh I remember what stopped me with the Wild Calling--it was the Brewers Yeast. Apparently, some people find that it works great for them and for their animals. It's both dead, and not the same kind of yeast as baker's yeast--so it doesn't inflate in the stomach. But it seems to be rather new...and I don't know why it's there.

I personally am going to go have some ice cream. 
 

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Wow I've never seen such variety!  Now I'm concerned, after I read someone else say they avoid clay, about the Montmorillonite Clay in Nature's Variety Instinct.  I think they must have put a bit too much of it in that one can that looked sorta gray.

I've heard that it's best to avoid chicken/fish/beef if you have a kitty who seems to have allergies.  That sure doesn't leave a lot of variety.  Is this what y'all have heard too?
There are two schools of thought on the  Montmorillonite Clay. From what I read the only issue is that some sources of the clay are from areas that have toxins, If the clay is sourced from a toxin-free area, the clay actually helps pull toxins out of the cat's system. I read that the clay used in natures Variety is tested to ensure it is toxin free. 
 
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I don't feed carrageenan, both because of research that indicates it could be harmful and because our cats tend to have some minor digestive sensitivities/issues anyway (apparently Siamese mixes are especially prone to them) so I don't want to make anything worse. Some cats are sensitive to carrageenan: I've noticed that some TCS members say it seems to have caused or irritated IBD in their cats. That said, I do give the cats a very occasional (less than once a month) can of Wellness Core kitten food as a treat. I wouldn't feed it regularly because, personally, I just don't feel comfortable with carrageenan, either for cats or humans. I've cut the carrageenan out of our human diet, too: it's nearly ubiquitous in foods like ice cream and sour cream but there are brands that don't have it. Like Häagen-Dazs!
LisaHE, are siamese mixes really especially prone to them? I have always though Ghibli was a Siamese mix but I have no idea. Would you take a look at my pics of him and let me know if you think he is in that category? If so I should probably be more careful. After reading all of these comments today I looked at my rotation food list and some of my favorite brands have carrageenan :( Canidae?! Ugh, I even love the smell of Canidae pure. Natural balance is something I have always liked as well because it has such a variety, decent ingredients, and Ghibli loves it.... however carrageenan is the LAST ingredient in some of their pates meaning there is a very small amount of it... I think I will keep feeding Natural Balance. I've been looking on Chewy for some canned foods that don't have carrageenan.... what ones are your favorite? I'm willing to pay decent money for them but nothing over $2.00 for a 5 oz can.

I also feed Ghibs raw but since I am a student I can't give it to him every day (he probably gets it a couple times a week and I switch between rad cat and natures variety raw. 
 
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Also, Has anyone tried Whole Earth or Triumph? 
 
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