Sick Foster Cat Mum and Struggling Kittens

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Hi Everyone,

I'm very new on this site and have not taken the time to carefully read and look through everything since I wanted to get some advice on this situation ASAP, so if I'm missing something important, please let me know. :)

My family and I have just taken in a foster cat and her 4 kittens, who are now 5 days old. They came into our care exactly 2 and a half days ago. When the shelter first handed them over to us, the kittens were in pretty poor shape, underweight and dirty with matted fur and stool stuck to their bellies. They have improved a lot since then as I have been cleaning and toileting them as well as bringing them to their mother every two hours since she seems to have no interest in or bond with the kittens (although she still grants them access to her teats on occasion). If I didn't do this, she would probably have simply forgotten about them.

She has had a very tough start to life: she is only 10 months herself and currently very sick with cat flu. On top of that, she had to have a cesarean to birth the kittens. She is extremely underweight, there is no sign of any fat on her anywhere and she is barely eating (probably because the flu makes it difficult for her to smell the food). She is also not taking any care of herself (grooming etc) or the kittens at all.

Unfortunately, she has infected the kittens with the flu and they are sneezing (slightly worse today than yesterday).

On the upside, in the first 24 hrs in our care, things were looking up. Mumma cat had about one small tin of kitten wet food, was drinking a lot and allowed me to put the kittens to her belly every two hours. All the kittens gained between 10 and 12 grams within that day.

Today and last night was a completely different story. She barely ate a spoonful of food and almost every time I tried to put the kittens with her, she would curl up so they couldn't access her belly or walk away altogether. In the last 24 hrs, the kittens have nursed about 6 times and only briefly - less than 10 mins each time. Luckily, 3 of them are still gaining weight, the strongest having gained 10 grams and the other two about 7 grams.

However, the 4th kitten (the only girl) has lost 2 grams since this time yesterday. I have tried putting her with mum alone as she is also the weakest but she barely tries to suckle. Even when she manages to find a teat, after less than a minute, she gives up on it, falls off and starts crying. It seems as though she is too weak to keep going for longer (?) unless something else is wrong.

To me, the logical thing to do is to get my hands on some KMR as quickly as possibly and start bottle feeding her alongside the nursing sessions with mum. However, this foster is shared with two other adults, and they think I should keep trying to get mumma cat more involved and keep giving the weak kitten alone time to feed (although it hasn't been very effective so far). They seem to think there is still a few days to figure this out but I want to act NOW to avoid it getting much worse. They know very little about cats compared to me but their arguments and insistence is making my doubt my instinct which is why I am seeking advice here.

One of them is also saying that we shouldn't bottle feed the kittens without going back to the shelter first to get permission and supplies (though in the agreement it says the foster home is to provide the necessities and even gives advice about which bottles and KMR to buy) but the shelter is an hour's drive away. When I bring it up, she simply insists that I shouldn't do anything like that yet as "a mother's milk is the ideal" and we should "wait and see".

My instincts are telling me to get nutrients into this kitten as I am very afraid that we might lose it otherwise (the kittens are underweight already as well - at about 100 g yet already 5 days old).

Do you think my fellow foster parent has a point? Or should I go behind their backs and start the kitten on KMR? What is best for this litter?

Sorry about the long post, I just want to include as much useful information as possible. Please help if you can!

And Thanks for taking the time to read! :)
 

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Start bottle feeding immediately.  Use a needleless syringe at first as they won't accept a bottle at first.  Let us know if you need instructions, but I think you're right that you'll start losing them otherwise.

If the mom isn't eating she doesn't really have anything to give the babies anyway.
 
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Thanks. That's what i thought. I wish I had some milk replacer at the ready but I won't be able to get any until Wednesday or even Thursday since there is no place nearby that sells any and I need to order online. I might try the vet. If they don't have anything, what can I do in the mean time? Also, is there anything I can do to help with mumma cat's flu symptoms or at least get her to eat?

also, thanks for the quick reply! I probably will need some help bottle feeding wise at some point. I'll browse the forum, there's probably already threads on this topic. :)
 

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Can you get some goat's milk.  Its sold in store's. Unpasteurized is best but you have to get something in them. They sell it here in concentrated cans in the baking aisle. 
 
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Ok. I'll look for that. And goats milk is 100% safe to give them? And will sustain them?
 

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It is until you get some kmr. Stay away from Hartz brand and powder is better than the liquid. 
 

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Full fat goat's milk is wonderful for kittens and can be used instead of KMR. You will need to use a needleless syringe and feed the kittens with tummy down, head up, and 1-2 drops at a time in the side of the mouth. Allow the kitten to swallow and breathe, then feed again.

If you can tell me the weight of the kitten or kittens, I can tell you how much to feed. The rule of thumb is 8mL per ounce of body weight. Five-day-old kittens need to feed every 2 hours around the clock, including through the night.

You may need an antibiotic for mom and kittens as they may have an upper respiratory infection (URI). It may help mom recover more quickly, which will get her eating and hopefully nursing her kittens again.

Let us know how it goes. Thank you for taking in this poor mom and her babies and giving them a chance for a better life.
 
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I'll go out early in the morning and get some. Mum hasn't fed her kittens at all yet since 10pm (it's 3:50am). I've just put her in the dark carry cage with her kittens to see if that will awaken some motherly instincts and allow them to nurse but she completely freaked out and wanted nothing of it. She has refused to even go near them all night... I hope they can all stick it out until 9am when the shops open here...
 

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Have you a can of evaporated milk? Or plain yogurt? You must syringe at least some water with honey in it. The kittens absolutly must have something NOW!
 
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It's very risky for them to wait overnight, especially as they are already unwell. Do you have anything of the above?
 
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No, i don't have either of those things. I was completely unprepared for a situation like this, having been told it would be a "relatively easy, hands off foster"... mumma cat is now nursing though I know that the weak little kitten is probably struggling against her siblings and may not get anything but I don't want to even go near her and risk distracting mum from the task at hand!
The only thing that I have besides cows milk is that cat milk stuff which is designed as a treat for cats of any age...
 

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Give the little one that is struggling to get mom's milk some of the treat milk then. It's better than nothing at all. It won't hurt her, it just does not contain as many balanced nutrients that kittens need. Try to get 2 mL's into her with a syringe or dropper.
 

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Will you be able to obtain antibiotics for mama cat and kittens?
 
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The only way we could get antibiotics is by going back to the shelter's vet hospital with the whole cat family. However, they had told us something like "we can't give mum any meds because she is nursing"...
 

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Nursing cats take antibiotics which are passed to the kittens through mom's milk. It then cures the kittens if they are sick.

Have you been able to supplement the kittens yet? How's the runt doing?
 
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They've all maintained their same weight overnight except for Rosey who has lost another 2 grams, despite my giving her the treat milk. Funnily, she is actually not the runt, however, the actual tiny one was gaining really well and easily forces Rosey off a teat to take it himself. He won't be the runt much longer!

The shelter, when i called today, has said that they want to wait until she is no longer nursing. This now seems so silly to me because, in their current state, any risk the antibiotics may involve is worth it...

I am about to go out to buy that goats milk. I hope that will help somehow. Any ideas where i might find some KMR? The shipping time from the online store is "5-7 business days"...
 

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Oh boy. Sounds like they all need to be supplemented. They need to be gaining, not just maintaining. Goat milk is totally fine! You can use that instead of kmr, especially if they are also getting some milk from mom.
 

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They've all maintained their same weight overnight except for Rosey who has lost another 2 grams, despite my giving her the treat milk. Funnily, she is actually not the runt, however, the actual tiny one was gaining really well and easily forces Rosey off a teat to take it himself. He won't be the runt much longer!

The shelter, when i called today, has said that they want to wait until she is no longer nursing. This now seems so silly to me because, in their current state, any risk the antibiotics may involve is worth it...

I am about to go out to buy that goats milk. I hope that will help somehow. Any ideas where i might find some KMR? The shipping time from the online store is "5-7 business days"...
If you get goat milk, you really dont need KMR. Esp if you manage to get raw (fresh or frozen) goat milk,.  but almost any full fat goat milk is useful.

Raw egg yolk is a good addition, if you dont have problems with salomonella in eggs where you live.  Good both for mommy, and as addition to any kitten glop you make.

Also, if you can get glucose sugar / dextrose, its useful in many situations.  If you cant get it, white caro syrup or honey are useful.  Gives quick energy easily accessible, works already in mouth.

You are keeping the kittens warm and cozy, right?  Ie not only on blankets, but also actively warmed up by some heat pad.  As mom isnt taking care about them.

Mom too will benefit by a heating pad.  The sick and weak are always freezing, no?

If you can get L-lysine, it helps sometimes against some types of  virus. Cant hurt, may help.

Have on calming, relaxing music on.  Do talk much sweetly and friendly.  It reinforces her will to fight on...

The others have given you wonderfurl advices so far.

Your instincts are very good.   Keep on!
 

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What is useful too.  Some sort of probiotic.  If you can get PetAgs probiotic BeneBac, its the best, made especially for kittens.  But almost any will do.  Even a plain mild youghurt may work, especielly if it has added acidophilus and bifidus bacteria...

As someone menitoned: kittens whom have access to mom teats, are often very reluctant to take bottle.  In these cases is using a syringe / dropper / straw practically a must. HOW to use the syringe, you got explained by SARthur.  Burp afterwards.    Also, syringe is good if the kittens has a weak suckling reflex, or perhaps none at all.  They dont need to suckle actively, its enough thay can swallow properly.
 
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I've spoken with the other two foster parents again about the kittens health and goats milk idea. I'm really struggling to make it clear to them how serious this situation actually is. They tell me I'm being overdramatic "its not like they've lost weight" "they should only be drinking cats milk" "we can't do or use anything we haven't been given by the shelter". Is it worth waiting until the afternoon to contact the shelter? Or should i start the goats milk and keep it secret from the other two?
I may be being silly for questioning myself so much but this is taking a toll on my relationship with them and I really don't want to make it worse if possible...

Mumma cat hasn't let the kittens nurse since 7am. I have been keeping them clean and warm with a heat pack. And I'll offer mumma cat some egg. :)
 
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