My Cat Kitten was blinded because of a bad veternarian overdosing her with Baytril

There is an order to her attorneys from the court to produce the evidence requested on March 28th. 2016. We'll see if there are any objections. Some things she has no choice. Like finally producing Kitten's medical records. I have some documents I need to get authenticated and other bells and whistles. I haven't received anything from her attorneys. I don't really know that aside from ourselves we need to call witnesses. I am hesitant to muddy the facts in a case this simple. I reserve that notion until I see what madam vet produces as medical records for Kitten.

They will probably be lies and have less truth to them than the ancient Greece myths. Be prepared--this is going to be really hard for you.

Tallyollyopia said:

 
They will probably be lies and have less truth to them than the ancient Greece myths. Be prepared--this is going to be really hard for you.

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Not really. The ER exam 3 days later found her in good health.  Well except for vision loss due to the overdose of enrofloxacin noted on that veterinarians report. And there is no reasoning for ignoring  the guidelines set forth by Bayer almost 15 years ago when they dealt with the issue of cats and vision loss. It's in bold letters on every package. Even veterinarians can't just pick up a bottle of pills and make up a dose. Well they can. But they're going to end up in a situation like this sooner or later.

Wanted to add something here. When you take on veterinary malpractice you are really out there hanging in the wind. To get it anywhere you have to put on a thick skin. I'm sure the defense lawyer is going to paint us as the worst pet parents ever. Who knows what they'll come up with. Because it's not about the truth. It's about denying any wrong doing until you are so painted in a corner you settle or you get a judgment against you. And I'm betting the option of hoping the judge decides in your favor is always there. There's no criminal penalty for her here. She's not going to go out of the courtroom. in shackles. And I could go out with an order to pay a significant part of what the judge decides are reasonable court costs.  You are literally proving medical malpractice over an object the law sees as a table lamp. It really is absurd.

SVB are peer review groups. She has several obvious infractions and they have lots of options including just saying BAD VET.  So its either purse this to the best of our ability or she just gets by with it.

The Internet is filled almost from birth of tales of veterinarian malpractice. Heartbroken owners who had their pets injured or lives ended by the very hands that were supposed to help them. And there is one thing in common. If the vet injures/kills your companion animal you are for the most part simply screwed. State Veterinarian Boards have at best questionable reputations. No complaint is public nor will it be unless they find in favor of the owner. Peer review groups with little oversight. The court system wants you to prove medical malpractice by human standards on something the law sees as an end table. And then limit your recovery to a few vet bills and court costs. If you don't think you will ever have this problem. Well, neither did I. Because there is no public record of complaints unless the SVB finds in the pet owners favor you don't know your vet.

Pet owners need to review their vets online. Praise your good vet. Make sure they know how much you appreciate the care they give your pet. Even when they can't save your pet or offer a perfect solution.  They are only human. A vet that can't read a bold typed warning on a label and costs a little cat her sight needs to be called out.

High time the law catches up with how things really are.  Those laws were made when most animals were working animals, one way or another.  "Just a pet" didn't really exist.  Even a house cat was expected to earn its way in mice caught.  This is a different day, a different time, and a different classification of animals.  Time for some change to reflect that.

http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-...8317-quinolone-liver-failure-serious-concern/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinolone

This is for anyone interested in the Quinolone antibiotics. Human or animal. Again it is not a bad drug. It saves lives human and animal. It just seems that some facts are being ignored.

I left out that enrofloxacin is a quinolone. After spending the last 6 months researching these drugs I forget not everyone is that vested. Same family as cipro. which most of us are familiar with from the anthrax scare. It is a big gun antibiotic that vets like because it really wipes bacteria out. It's also overused when another antibiotic would have worked just as well with fewer possible side effects. The 5mg/kg was established after the drug was released. Bayer allowed the upper dose for cats to be increased from the original 5mg/kg to a much higher dose. That is when reports of cats losing their vision started to show up. A study by Bayer resulted in a finding that cats kept at the 5mg/kg in the study had no changes in their retina. The warning has been on the packaging for the oral drug since , I think, 2002. Injectable enrofloxacin is an extra label drug that vets are allowed to use in cats but no studies have been done. There is simply a warning it may cause retinal toxicity in cats. 

And yes according to the lowest concentration available the math shows that she overdosed Kitten 2X what she should have been given.

This had opened up a whole new area of study for me.  Next time Hekitty has an illness, I will be a far more informed cat parent.

Mamanyt1953 said:

 
This had opened up a whole new area of study for me.  Next time Hekitty has an illness, I will be a far more informed cat parent.

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It changes how you see antibiotics very quickly. You can find a lot of information. Some pretty fringe but a lot of actual data and FDA information. Based on what I know about this class of drugs now I would have never given them unless a bacteria culture had been done and this was the only drug that was capable of killing the infection. Blindness wouldn't have even had to be mentioned. Over and over I see the wording , judicious use. Without a doubt they have saved millions ? of human and animal lives. I tended to see antibiotics as rather benign germ killers. Lysol for the inner body. Side effects from a rash to upset stomach and the runs.

I am a lay person. or was when it came to these drugs. However the veterinarian that injected Kitten and then gave me this drug to take home and give her orally never once mentioned or gave us any information. In fact our whole discussion centered around how to get them down her. And the vet said. Break it on the score lines and give her one piece at a time. And I did. I have a lot of guilt about that now. But that is only because of 6 months of research and knowledge I didn't have at that time.

Again given in the right dose they are safe and approved. They are big gun antibiotics.

Learn to ask...Is this a Floxie drug ? I would never want anyone to refuse needed treatment for themselves or their pets based on the class of drugs. Your vet/dr needs to discuss the possible side effects and dose with you. I was told that the drug flushed out of the system after 24 hours. On that my personal opinion if you can't get ahold of your Dr. or vet stop the drug and call an ER and ask what to do. Kittens retinal degeneration stopped when I stopped giving her the pills. Of course the question here isn't her vision loss but the eventual liver issues in a cat that had no previous health issues. That is probably due to the overdose and started via the injection. Sorry to ramble . If I can save one human or one pet from a nightmare like this it's not in vain.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a.../fluoroquinolone-antibiotic-side-effects.aspx

I have sat on this for almost a week. One horrible disadvantage to being a pro se is there is no one to buffer the evidence you might uncover during discovery. The vet who overdosed Kitten with both an enrofloxacin injection and the tablets has presented as evidence a 17 year old Plumbs Veterinary Handbook as her justification for doing so. If someone know of something lower than gross negligence in the law I would be happy to entertain it. 

You can do it. Just take slow, deep breaths, and remember that you're helping prevent such gross negligence with other pets. 

Incompetence as a defense;  that should work out well for her. Don’t you have something going with the Veterinary Board?  They might be interested in this little nugget   

Tallyollyopia said:

 
You can do it. Just take slow, deep breaths, and remember that you're helping prevent such gross negligence with other pets. 

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I came up with Willful and Wanton. She also had the tenacity to state she has treated other cats with this dose with no ill effect. My heart shudders at the thought of all the poor cats she overdosed. Not all will show clinical signs. And not all pet owners would make the connection.

A veterinarian is not illiterate or uninformed. A professional is aware that their field is constantly changing. They are bound to continuing education.  A vet that runs this crap up the flagpole needs to be exposed.

Zed Xyzed said:

 
Incompetence as a defense;  that should work out well for her. Don’t you have something going with the Veterinary Board?  They might be interested in this little nugget   

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This nugget was in her defense to the SVB. I obtained it during discovery for the civil trial.

Too true. All you can do is hang in there and hope the court understands.

Kittens Mom said:

 
This nugget was in her defense to the SVB. I obtained it during discovery for the civil trial.

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So she readily admitted she gave Kitten an overdose. And that she prescribes medication without reading up and understanding the risks associated with the medication

Tallyollyopia said:

 
Too true. All you can do is hang in there and hope the court understands.

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Zed Xyzed said:

 
So she readily admitted she gave your cat an overdose. 

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Well no. Not according to her since she referenced her 17 year old book and used the dose indicated for cats then.  The only question is does her lawyer know what a fraud she is. Bayer upped the dose of enrofloxacin/Baytril in cats to 5-20mg/kg for a short time and that is when they started getting reports of blindness associated with the drug. A study available through the FOIA outlines the issue and their testing and the return to no more than 5mg/kg for a cat.  An FDA Dear Doctor letter was sent out shortly after that warning practitioners to use no more than 5mg/kg in cats to avoid retinal toxicity. That edition is probably the only revision that has that dose listed and most likely the 4th edition that I'm waiting for will correct that dose back to the 5mg.

IMHO. The day that the SVB got that response from her they should have shown up and nailed her doors and windows shut with her inside to better protect the public.  

Based on current info from the drug manufacture she did give Kitten an overdose. 

Zed Xyzed said:

 
Based on current info from the drug manufacture she did give Kitten an overdose. 

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yes and that's not taking into account that vets choose not to use enrofloxacin as the new fluroquinilones are not associated with retinal toxicity and can be used at more effective doses

But I don't think we're going to have to go past using an out of date reference book. She's either incompetent or trying to defraud the court.

What happens now?